PROGESTIN BETA TRIAL

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    TAURUS NUTRITION
    -----------BETA PROGESTIN-----------

    Cycle Plans
    -4 servings Taurus Nutrition Beta Progestin per day
    -1 cap Formadrol per day
    *ancillaries to be added as needed

    PCT Plans
    -Undecided, various options readily available

    Diet
    300 pro/ 300 carb/ 80 fat

    Workout
    -20 minutes moderate cardio
    -1 bodypart per day (4-6x/week pending work schedule)
    -PCT routine: HST

    History
    Halo, Phera, Epi--->SD bridge, Pmag, Halo/Epi, M14add

    REVIEW

    Objective: The Numbers

    Body Comp: I gained 8 pounds of lean mass and lost 1 pound of fat based on weekly skinfolds. Progestin Beta was surprisingly more anabolic than I expected.

    Strength: I gained approximately 10 pounds per lift on upper body compound lifts such as BB Flat Bench Press and DB Rows. I gained approximately 20 pounds per lift on power moves such as squats, straight leg DL, and shrugs. Those are all in a 3 sets of 12 rep range to give perspective. I agree with Kleen's perspective that the compound didn't inherently make me stronger. Strength would creep up when lean mass would increase.

    Number of Visible Abs at Rest:
    Pre-Cycle: 0
    Post Cycle: 2 at rest, 4-6 post workout

    Subjetive: Personal Notes and Opinions

    Mood: There may have been a hint of alpha male for approximately 1-2 weeks. But mood leveled off after that. I'm inherently a cranky person, but Progrestin Beta didn't exacerbate my inner a-hole.

    Libido: For the first half of the cycle, libido was increased with slightly enhanced sexual performance. There were a few times where I did feel a bit more aggressive in the bedroom also. For the second half of the cycle, libido felt "flat." I personally noticed a drop off in my sexual performance. But it wasn't bad enough for the wife to make fun of me for it

    Gyno: I have a history of gyno with 2 small lumps that vary in size. They come and go depending on how careless I am with supplementation. I had ZERO gyno exacerbation with Progestin Beta. To be fair, I took 2 caps Formadrol per day throughout the cycle. I've never taken this particular Formadrol ingredient profile so I can't elaborate on other possible explanations. All I know is that I almost always expect gyno to get worse or flare up on cycle. And it did not with Progrestin Beta and the mild Formadrol plan.

    Discussion: Chit Chat, Mostly Nonsense

    My overall description of this compound is that it's subtle. The gains were slow, but very steady once I stepped back and looked at the big picture. There's nothing explosive about this compound in the gym or body comp wise. Referring to Kleen's report again, I don't believe that this compound compares to Epithio for me. I get a bit of androgenic effect with epithio. In which case, strength comes on faster and I notice a bit of an overall body "shape" change with a select few desingers. For example, I notice a bid difference in my V-taper with compounds such as epithio and phera. My shoulders, chest, and quads really blew up with those compounds. But this body change was more subtle and comparable to Progmagnon for me personally. At the same time, I accomplished in 4 weeks on Progestin Beta what took me 6 weeks on PMag.

    I had some recomp effect later in the cycle, but it required a careful watch with my diet. This is not a recomp agent like Hdrol or Superdrol that simply require a huge volume of calories. I leaned out a bit, but I wouldn't classify this as a cutter.

    I like the idea of stacking progestin beta. I think that the individual should tailor this to stack with something that is more explosive for their personal tastes. It would be interesting to bridge Progestin Beta into M14add during an all out bulk. I envision gaining 6-8 pounds on Progestin and then sending the cycle into overdrive with M14 to really blow up.

    It would also be interesting to see if Progestin beta could still be anabolic during a cutting cycle alongside Formestane and a fat burner. Kleen suggested stacking with something for androgenic, such as a dhea based designer. I think that's a good idea. My personal alternative idea is to use formestane instead, although it still follows Kleen's aggression/strength/libido enhancing logic to balance out the stack.

    Body Composition

    ..........Weight......BF%..... .Lean.......Fat.....
    Start.....185.6.....14.90..... 157.94....27.66..
    Wk 1.....188.0.....15.68.....158. 53....29.47..
    Wk 2.....191.0.....15.48.....161. 42....29.58..
    Wk 3.....193.4.....15.10.....164. 20....29.20..
    Wk 4.....193.4.....13.82.....166. 67....26.73


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    Thanks for subbing everyone.

    AZ, I dunno if you'll learn anything. But, you'll be able to laugh every time I screw something up

    Day 1

    Tuesday, May 10, 2011

    It feels good to log again. It really puts me in the mindset to prioritize my training and nutrition. Not that either of those aspects of my life have been awful. I just wouldn't categorize myself as "hardcore" over the past 6 months or so with all sorts of life changes.

    I performed skinfolds today for baseline, but I haven't calculated them yet. I'm sure the results will be an absolute train wreck... que fat guy slow walk music

    I also took a before pic, maybe a hint of abs if you look at it from the correct angle

    So far today, I've dosed Progestin Beta twice and the Formadrol once. As far as other supps go, I throw in a scoop of BCAA almost every day, sometimes a few times per day. I use FocusXT preworkout IF I feel I need it on occasion.

  18. I will learn and laugh then! FocusXT is great stuff by the way. Don't know what flavor you have but, the Black Cherry is not great and the coloring they used stains your teeth and lips. Looks like you just went down on Mama Smurf!!
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  19. Well that is too bad, if it made you look like you went down on Smurfette then I might be interested...
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  20. Kleen looks like he painted himself with black cherry Focus... stuff stains my clothes big time too. I've changed my perspective with stuff like this though. Gotta give SNS credit for attempting more flavor options, even if black cherry didn't pan out. They hit a home run with the blue flavor though

  21. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Kleen looks like he painted himself with black cherry Focus... stuff stains my clothes big time too. I've changed my perspective with stuff like this though. Gotta give SNS credit for attempting more flavor options, even if black cherry didn't pan out. They hit a home run with the blue flavor though
    hell yeah, the blue raz i tried about a year ago was fantastic-very glad to see you loggin again celc!!!!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Kleen looks like he painted himself with black cherry Focus...
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  23. How did you know it was the black cherry. DAMN! I thought you all would think Pumpkin...
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  25. Rock it. good luck.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/173797-one-small-step.html Getting my ass beat and logging it.
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    Dubya,
    welcome buddy!

    cd,
    not late at all man. It's only day 2

    Hey Ryan,
    feel free to join the discussion or ask any questions.

    Day 2

    Thursday, May 12, 2011

    Day 2 psychological pump is in full swing... celc flexes in the mirror... Ha Ha, just like a newb! Seriously though, I had some WICKED dreams last night, which does happen to me when ON for the first week. It was cool because if I didn't like the way the plot of the dream was developing, I would shake my head to wake myself up!!! First time that ever happened to me

    I feel a hint of motivation surge to get into the gym today. I'd bet it's too soon for the drug to be doing that. But, I'll just have to hold my horses. As soon as I close up my office, I have to stop at the eye docs to check out some blurred vision (which has nothing to do with the cycle, it's been about 5 or 6 days now).

    I'm about to dose my third CC of Progestin Beta. Just a note, Taurus Nut recommended shaking it up. In case the other testers haven't noticed, it does separate overnight. So the shaking is necessary.

  27. hey-those are wyked dreams, lol.


    hope the blurred vision is nothing serious!!!!
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    BigT comin in with the clever play on words Thanks for the well wishes. Doc says it's just irritation and to quit touching it. He gave me some WYKED gel drops that are working real well so far (NOW I'M CLEVER TOO!!!)

    I'm fired up for today's workout. Not sure if it's because I'm pissed that I didn't get to go last night... or maybe something's starting to kick in just a tad??? Either way, I'm in attack mode today

  29. Here's to hoping the juice is coming on!!
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    BigT comin in with the clever play on words Thanks for the well wishes. Doc says it's just irritation and to quit touching it. He gave me some WYKED gel drops that are working real well so far (NOW I'M CLEVER TOO!!!)

    I'm fired up for today's workout. Not sure if it's because I'm pissed that I didn't get to go last night... or maybe something's starting to kick in just a tad??? Either way, I'm in attack mode today
    might be placebo since you haven't ran a ph in awhile, but if it is the drug kicking in thats damned fast!

    glad the eyes are good to go!!!

  31. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Dubya,
    welcome buddy!

    cd,
    not late at all man. It's only day 2

    Hey Ryan,
    feel free to join the discussion or ask any questions.

    Day 2

    Thursday, May 12, 2011

    Day 2 psychological pump is in full swing... celc flexes in the mirror... Ha Ha, just like a newb! Seriously though, I had some WICKED dreams last night, which does happen to me when ON for the first week. It was cool because if I didn't like the way the plot of the dream was developing, I would shake my head to wake myself up!!! First time that ever happened to me

    I feel a hint of motivation surge to get into the gym today. I'd bet it's too soon for the drug to be doing that. But, I'll just have to hold my horses. As soon as I close up my office, I have to stop at the eye docs to check out some blurred vision (which has nothing to do with the cycle, it's been about 5 or 6 days now).

    I'm about to dose my third CC of Progestin Beta. Just a note, Taurus Nut recommended shaking it up. In case the other testers haven't noticed, it does separate overnight. So the shaking is necessary.
    I am now day 2 it is a cardio only day and I really want to go lift. Was not even remotely expecting this so highly doubt it is placebo.
    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    might be placebo since you haven't ran a ph in awhile, but if it is the drug kicking in thats damned fast!

    glad the eyes are good to go!!!
    Does this require to be converted to have an effect? IE is this a true PH or is it a DS? If a DS there is no need for conversion and the FEEL of it can be instantaneous. Just like taking a vicodin you don't have to wait a few days it is already ready to do it's thing. Now seeing strength/muscular increases would take longer because that is part of the cumulative effect of the product but the "feel" type characteristics could definitely start immediately.

    Now shameless log promotion!
    Come one come all and join my new log! I am beta testing Taurus Nutritions new PH, and continuing my log of WYKED. As well as of course discussing my new favorite subject Intermittent Fasting, or more specifically Lean Gains Intermittent Fasting Protocol.

    KLEEN - Takes the Bull by the horns! Taurus Nutrition's w/ WYKED & Beta TNP

    Celc feel free to post a link to yours in my log as well!
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  32. interesting point on the conversion, i need to get the answer to that!!!

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  34. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    interesting point on the conversion, i need to get the answer to that!!!
    I asked WW7 in my log too. Very curious. I know Tren, and M-LMG are progestins and are both DS so mildly inclined to think legal DS...
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  35. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I asked WW7 in my log too. Very curious. I know Tren, and M-LMG are progestins and are both DS so mildly inclined to think legal DS...
    yeah, that would be my guess also, and would explain the 'feeling' of effects so quickly.

  36. The cool thing about most progestins (natural ones) is that they are both active on their own and convert to other hormones. So, both is the case for this progestin. The other one is going to be only active on its own and we will put in cofactors to keep it that way!

  37. Quote Originally Posted by Taurus Nut. View Post
    The cool thing about most progestins (natural ones) is that they are both active on their own and convert to other hormones. So, both is the case for this progestin. The other one is going to be only active on its own and we will put in cofactors to keep it that way!
    That is a nice bang for the buck right there! And you have another compound in the wings as well?? This just keeps getting better.
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  38. Quote Originally Posted by Taurus Nut. View Post
    The cool thing about most progestins (natural ones) is that they are both active on their own and convert to other hormones. So, both is the case for this progestin. The other one is going to be only active on its own and we will put in cofactors to keep it that way!
    that explains the fast reaction.
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    Good discussion fellas. At the same time, I don't believe that whether the drug is active or requires conversion should play a role in response time.

    Taurus Nut,
    that's a good point. I've seen a lot of sound explanations regarding DS that follow your description of both active and converting like a "ph" so to speak. The one that popped into my head was M14add as another example.

    Day 5

    Sunday, May 15, 2011

    I'm noticing a slight hardening effect in terms of body image. I feel just a tad leaner, while cardio and diet hasn't much if at all.

    Motivation to get in the gym is potent. Not angry aggression, just noticably eager to move weights. The curious thing is that I'm hitting the wall about 30 or 40 minutes into workouts. I haven't felt that way in a looooong time. That's only been the last 2 workouts, so no need to jump to any conclusions as it might just be coincidence.

    Other tidbits to note include no change in libido, no change in strength, slightly increased appetite, no mood change, and 1 zit. I'm cursed/blessed with uniquely dry skin so acne is unusual for me.

  40. Are you mentally or physically hitting the wall?
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons
  

  
 

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