SWOLLEN87's Quest for STRENGTH (with epi)

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  1. back

    pullups

    bwx15 warm up

    bw +45lb plate x 10

    bw +90lbsx 5 3x

    bb rows

    135x 10 warm up

    225 x 10
    245 x 10
    275 x 5
    315 x 5
    315 x 3 FAIL

    pulldowns behind neck

    dont remember the weights... just know i went hard

    stiffleg deadlifts

    135x20 warm up

    405x 15

    25 min walk on an incline ...


    some notes

    nips are doing better... still gunna take the caber when it gets hurr (cant wait for my girl to get home from school) she goes to scranton and only comes home on the weekends

    leaning out considerably... ive been trying to limit my carbs to pre/post w.o only

    had a disagreement with one of my boys.... hes stuck on shooting tren only ... thinking tren wont shut him down or cause gyno... (fail) he wont listen to me

    shoulder is doing better, still a bit sore


    upping the primo to 400mg/ week was previously running 300

    pin day tomrrow!!
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html


  2. Great workout bro!!^^^
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  3. Superdrol gyno is caused by prolactin build up, superdrol keeps it very low on cycle then some time after pct it creeps up and boom. Gyno, since your estro is back to normal at this time high prolactin can cause gyno, sometimes on cycle too.
    For your gyno i would have went with letro, letro reduces estrogen by 95%, prolactin cant do anything if there is no estrogen. Also it binds very strongly to the mammary gland in the nips. I would then taper the letro down to .25-.5mg for the remainder of the cycle to keep it at bay. Using caber at this time for prolactin. Then when in pct use nolva with or without clomed. Nolva will help the estro rebound from the letro and also binds strongly to the mammary gland. Keep using caber if you wish for prolactin as nolva wont help that.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    Superdrol gyno is caused by prolactin build up, superdrol keeps it very low on cycle then some time after pct it creeps up and boom. Gyno, since your estro is back to normal at this time high prolactin can cause gyno, sometimes on cycle too.
    For your gyno i would have went with letro, letro reduces estrogen by 95%, prolactin cant do anything if there is no estrogen. Also it binds very strongly to the mammary gland in the nips. I would then taper the letro down to .25-.5mg for the remainder of the cycle to keep it at bay. Using caber at this time for prolactin. Then when in pct use nolva with or without clomed. Nolva will help the estro rebound from the letro and also binds strongly to the mammary gland. Keep using caber if you wish for prolactin as nolva wont help that.
    this is exactly what im gunna do/doing... i just dont understand why superdrol causes prolactin issues... technically it shouldnt....

    cabers comin tho... so hopefully ill be straight...
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  5. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    Swoll, I'm curious, why Primo over something like Masteron?

    I know ther reviews are mixed as the whether one is "better" than the other, but Primo is slightly more expensive. What got you to go with Primo?
    i must have overlooked this post morry...

    i chose primo because for my first injectable cycle, i wanted to run something mild.... primo is giving me a distinct "clean" feeling i dont exactly know how to describe it

    masteron is cheaper (not by much where i shop)

    i have had friends who ran primo before with fantastic results...

    besides... arnold used it (not srs)
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    this is exactly what im gunna do/doing... i just dont understand why superdrol causes prolactin issues... technically it shouldnt....

    cabers comin tho... so hopefully ill be straight...
    yea well, things dont always pan out on paper like they do in the real world

  7. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    i must have overlooked this post morry...

    i chose primo because for my first injectable cycle, i wanted to run something mild.... primo is giving me a distinct "clean" feeling i dont exactly know how to describe it

    masteron is cheaper (not by much where i shop)

    i have had friends who ran primo before with fantastic results...

    besides... arnold used it (not srs)
    Makes sense. I'll be hitting masteron up on my next cycle.....along with some other goodies......

    I'm glad we both log bc the difference will be good to see. I know it won't give us exact data bc you are stonger than I am, but it will get us close.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  8. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    Makes sense. I'll be hitting masteron up on my next cycle.....along with some other goodies......

    I'm glad we both log bc the difference will be good to see. I know it won't give us exact data bc you are stonger than I am, but it will get us close.
    im told masteron needs to be run at a LOW bf to really reap its benefits

    i might be a little stronger, but im also at a way higher bodyfat... by the time i get down to your bf %... i should be a bit weaker (unless this winny is really that serious)

    so for now morry, i will admit, you have the upperhand as far as physique goes... FOR NOW!!! lol



    today i did shoulders

    seated bb shoulder press

    185lbs x 10 10 sets (didnt wanna push it w my shoulder hurting so i made up for going light with volume)

    pre-exhaust/superset w/ front and side raises 25lb dbs (5 sets each)


    30 sec breaks between sets for example... presses right into raises THEN 30 sec break then back to presses


    dumbell reverse flys

    20x10
    25x10
    25x10

    shoulder doesnt enjoy any rear delt work... clicks and hurts so i cut it short

    any suggestions for this ?


    did some ab work

    4 sets of 5 wheel of death (loving this ish)

    hanging leg raises (pull up position)

    4 sets of 10

    sit ups

    4 sets of 25



    been working out a little with my 19 y/o brother... dude is a straight beast... never been on an anabolic in his life and benches 400lbs @ 190lbs ...

    (it sucks to have a lil bro out benching me when IM the one cycling) LOL



    20 min walk on an incline after the weights (my knees are F"d with this letro)

    been megadosing fishoil sam-e and glucosamine .. knees are screwed




    some notes

    knees BAD

    shoulder BAD

    nipples BETTER (almost) ... not puffy, but i know if i drop the letro/tamox concoction i have going on right now they will swell right up.. caber on its way

    libido AWESOME (girlfriend came home tonight... in the middle of our fap sesh, i had an image of myself come into my head... I WAS THE TROJAN HORSE...) i srsly laughed out loud...

    i dont think primo is HELPing my libido, i think it just makes it hard to bust a nut... and my endurance is up in comparison to my all out bulk to 220lbs and 18%bf over the winter..... up until a few weeks before this cycle started i wasnt doing ANY cardio



    planning on legs tomorrow, hopefully my knees agree with me
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  9. The masteron comment is not true
    Letro will dry your joints out, you shouldnt need letro for too long. Add cissus and 6g fishoil perday. Then follow up with tamox+caber Btw what doseing scheme did you use for letro?
    Your shoulder sounds like and ac joint issues, i have the same problem. not a big deal, just avoid movement that hurt. Try face pulls or scarcrows for rear delts

  10. Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    The masteron comment is not true
    Letro will dry your joints out, you shouldnt need letro for too long. Add cissus and 6g fishoil perday. Then follow up with tamox+caber Btw what doseing scheme did you use for letro?
    Your shoulder sounds like and ac joint issues, i have the same problem. not a big deal, just avoid movement that hurt. Try face pulls or scarcrows for rear delts
    im running that much fish oil already... ill grab some cissus

    its been about a week at 2.5ed... my libido isnt tanked and i dont feel horrible (aside from my knees) next week im gunna go to 2.5 eod then start breaking the pills up tapering... im actually planning on continuing running it until pct... then switching to aromasin tamox and caber ..

    ill try the face pulls, i havent done them in a while


    thanks for your help bro
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  11. todays workout was legs

    squats

    135x10 warm up

    225x10
    275x10
    315x8
    365x5
    385x3
    405x1

    split squats

    35lb dbs x10 3x

    leg press drop set

    14 plates each side x5
    12 x5
    10 x5
    8 x5
    6 x5

    4 x20

    then calf ext.


    power cleans

    135x10
    185x 5 3x
    225x 3 3x

    was beat after this workout... slacked off on my diet today... need to up my food. weight was 205.5 this morning but i look bigger and considerably more cut up
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  12. today was an off day...

    last night i went to the movies w/ my girl... left with my brother to go to honda day at atco raceway (sick day btw)

    330 am we left, pulled up at the gate at 5 and took an hour nap... so all together i might have gotten 3 1/2 hours sleep?


    didnt have the tools needed to eat cleanly today... but i kept the carbs low at least.


    had a ribeye, 7 hot dogs (beef) and about 15 chicken wings and 6 hard boiled eggs

    the only carbs i had all day was a giant sweet potato around 5 am.



    honda day was sick, im a big honda enthusiast, my brothers car was in the show and we had the hottest whip in the packed lot...

    deadlifts tomorrow to make up for my devious behavior
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  13. deadlifts

    135
    225 x 5
    315 x 5
    405 x 5
    495 x 2
    550 x 1
    565 x 1
    575 x 1

    595 x 1 miss at my knees

    405 x 12

    bb rows

    225 x 10 3x

    supersetted with behind neck pulldowns

    100x 10 3x

    20 mins cardio

    10 min sprints (what i do is keep the treadmill off, and i sprint pushing the track for 1 min, then i walk for a minute with it on 4mph and a 5% incline)

    so all together it was 10 min sprints and 10 mins walking

    12 hours of sleep last night was much needed


    did some foam rolling/stretching after cardio
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  14. chest today

    flat bb bench

    135x10
    225x10
    275x8
    295x6
    305x6
    315x4
    335x1
    335x1

    incline dumbells

    95x10
    110x10
    115x8
    120x6
    130x5

    cable flys supersetted with pushups

    35x10 then 20 pushups 40x10 then 20 ect up to 50


    did some abs, 15 mins cardio


    weight was down, 199 this morning but stronger
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  15. taking the day off today, feeling like im coming down with something ..

    i will try to post progress pictures so far at some point today
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  16. rest up so you can deadlift all that weight again!!! ur an animal and I hate you.....


    about the hate thing....


    no homo
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  17. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    rest up so you can deadlift all that weight again!!! ur an animal and I hate you.....


    about the hate thing....


    no homo
    haha i tried to rest up, but my girl came home from school and talked me into doing some abs/cardio

    you may hate my deadlifts, but i hate that you stole my exercise (pullups+90lbs) and you can already do more than me within a week IN PCT... that just not cool at all lol.... makes me feel weak and soft

    light w/o abs were smoked tho... tomorrow will be leg day

    pics tonight as lng as morry can post them for me (because im a fcktard when it comes to electronic things)- weird tho because i wire houses for a living
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html
  18. Pic


    Swoll was effin kicking his focking computer bc he couldn't get the pic to attach. I offered to help. Pic below.

    Swoll is well...........effin jacked swoll
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  19. thanks morry... my computer almost got the "hulk smash" tday

    it was tellin me my image is a bmp and i can only upload jpgs or something.. idk..

    i kept tryin to do stuff in paint and it just wasnt working out... i should have taken a few before pics as the transformation thus far is impressive..

    ill try to get one up of me as a fat lard at 220 i might have layin around



    today i did 4 sets of 5 w.o.d

    hanging leg raises (pullup position)

    side crunches w 45lb db 4 sets of 10

    and then 20mins of cardio


    some notes

    even with glucosamine and cond. and 6g fishoil my joints are FU*KED

    im gunna order up some cissus to see whats good wit that ish

    caber on the way along w my aromasin

    im loving the strength gains, aggression and hardening effect of the primo/winny

    no hairloss at all, suprising..

    lethargy is getting to me tho... i dont feel shut down, could be, but i think its the letro..

    still have morning wood every day... so idk...


    im going to try spacing the letro out 2.5 eod or e3d

    any suggestions?

    just had pasta (rare) gluten free brown rice pasta is like an icecream cone to a celiac LOL

    so ill consider today something like a refeed/carb load day.. going to destroy my legs tomorrow
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  20. SUBBD UP IN HURRR

  21. Quote Originally Posted by OafMister View Post
    SUBBD UP IN HURRR
    welcome sir
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  22. I'm here bro. Sorry I didn't get a chance to read through all 4 pages but I read through the first and last. How has the strength training been coming along? Are you progressing while working lifts only once a week? While prepping for comps I would work every 5 days on my lifts, and more volume too. I would do 5-6 sets on my triples or doubles. That's what I was taught back in the day from one of my PL trainers and I still keep to it till this day. And the weighted pull-ups were one of the bread and butters that's not utilized by very many.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    im running that much fish oil already... ill grab some cissus

    its been about a week at 2.5ed... my libido isnt tanked and i dont feel horrible (aside from my knees) next week im gunna go to 2.5 eod then start breaking the pills up tapering... im actually planning on continuing running it until pct... then switching to aromasin tamox and caber ..

    ill try the face pulls, i havent done them in a while


    thanks for your help bro
    aromasin at the start of pct? Thats not good, you NEED estrogen in pct. Aromasin will prevent this and not allow for full recovery. Get some clomid to put with your tamox. Tamox at 20mg will be enough to prevent the rebound of the letro. Try 20mg for three weeks and then go to 10 for a week or so and get off. Also how are you tapering off the letro?
    Also try rear delt rows too.
    Also you probably dont need to be at a maintence dosage of 2.5mg of letro once you get your nips undercontrol. .25mg to .5mg will be plenty on cycle to prevent flair ups.

  24. Looking ****in SWOLE n RIPPED bro (No homo), not suprised that Morry helped you out, hes a good dude . Was reading through previous pages, those be some nice numbers on the deads

  25. Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    aromasin at the start of pct? Thats not good, you NEED estrogen in pct. Aromasin will prevent this and not allow for full recovery. Get some clomid to put with your tamox. Tamox at 20mg will be enough to prevent the rebound of the letro. Try 20mg for three weeks and then go to 10 for a week or so and get off. Also how are you tapering off the letro?
    Also try rear delt rows too.
    Also you probably dont need to be at a maintence dosage of 2.5mg of letro once you get your nips undercontrol. .25mg to .5mg will be plenty on cycle to prevent flair ups.
    ive been running the letro @ 2.5 mg for about a week right now.. what i plan on doing is starting to taper slowly over the next few weeks up until pct...

    i plan on switching over to aromasin @ 25mg then slowly tapering down until 1 week after nolva/clomid

    my nips are JUST starting to be under control... but i think this is more of a prolactin issue than estro... (caber on the way) the letro just seems to be keeping it where its at (small "feel-able" lumps.. but not yet visible)



    Quote Originally Posted by OafMister View Post
    Looking ****in SWOLE n RIPPED bro (No homo), not suprised that Morry helped you out, hes a good dude . Was reading through previous pages, those be some nice numbers on the deads
    thanks man, hopefully i can keep making progress

    im actually suprised morry was willing to help me after i bashed him... we have since squashed our "beef"- it speaks of character when someone can look past the negatives to help someone


    hopefully i can get a video up of the deads... i mayy just go for 600









    so my pct will consist of

    nolva 20/20/10/10 Frontload 40mg 3 days
    clomid 100/50/50 - im told of some type of suppressive metabolite after 3 wks
    caber .5eod (should i use this in pct?)
    and aromasin - tapering down maybe something like 0/25/12.5/12.5/6.25

    the only thing not set in stone is the aromasin... its up in the air... any input on this?
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html
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