SWOLLEN87's Quest for STRENGTH (with epi)

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  1. my shoulder is f'ed so it looks like ill be lifting more like a bodybuilder for a while...

    today i did about 35 mins of fasted cardio (half scoop protien)

    did some light chest today (just really trying to get some movement back in my shoulder....)

    i have an appointment with a chiropractor to see whats good...

    basically, it doesnt hurt when i bench... but anything above my head it kills....

    still managed to get a decent pump with light weight and reps

    also weight is 210 (+5) and im leaning out considerably... will be sure to post before/after pics

    stpooed takin dat epi too... throwing in 50mg win eod.. maybe will go ed
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html


  2. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    edit: i have a tiny lump, smaller than a pea.... sd makes it blow up, im running the nolva to be safe.... last time i ran epi it scared me a little...
    I really want to know why superdrol causes a lot of "delayed gyno" even after PCT with a SERM and why it can aggravate gyno on cycle.
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  3. Took the epi out? I'd be careful with the winny, it can make tendons more brittle. Don't know what is wrong with your shoulder, just thought I'd warn you lol
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    I really want to know why superdrol causes a lot of "delayed gyno" even after PCT with a SERM and why it can aggravate gyno on cycle.
    My guess is that it has something to do with shbg disruption, prolactin, and unpure otc steroids... people say sd doesnt/can't cause gyno.... they should be shot.....

    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    Took the epi out? I'd be careful with the winny, it can make tendons more brittle. Don't know what is wrong with your shoulder, just thought I'd warn you lol
    I think I'm gunna take a few days off the win/epi.. I've got an appointment on Monday with a chiropractor... I think I might have slightly dislocated it when I deadlifted the other night:
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  5. fu*k my shoulder....

    been icing.. took off today

    weight is steady going up... barely eating over maint. cals 212 today
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  6. weight 211

    went for a fasted jog this morning... felt awesome

    nips are getting a little puffy (despite being on nolva) so i threw in 50mg atd and ill run it for a few days till they go down

    also macuna pruriens and vit b6 and vitamin e

    it seems im SUPER sensitive to estrogen/prolactin (whichever it is)

    been icing/heating my shoulder... i think i should be good to go by tuesday

    tomorrow is leg day

    since my shoulder is hurt, im thinking of turning this cycle into a recomp/cut or at least training lighter

    any input on this would be great
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  7. soo, the atd was a bad idea... came home today and my nips were puffier..

    dumbfounded... never using anything otc agian.....

    if anyones looking ... any input on taking letro and nolva while on cycle...

    im also dropping the epi...





    didnt hit legs today... foam rolling as we speak.. 2m is pin day...

    did chest today

    flat db bench 80x10 warmup 110x10 120x8 130x8 (1min between sets)

    incline 225x12 245x10 275x8 305x5 (shoulder felt great after being worked on)

    incline flys 30x10 35x10 40x10 (light focusing on stretching)

    cable flys supersetted with pushups (had a sick pump)

    kickbacks 20 25 30 x10


    im really upset about this F*ing nipple... im CONSTANTLY battling this thing...

    tomorrow it better be under control...
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  8. In for the ride bro.....sorry I'm late.

    Sick Deadlift number BTW.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  9. puffy nips?
    i say letro ad cabergoline

    cabergo worked well for me with nips but sides were horrible but i toughed it out.
    i would throw up like 3 times a day with cabergoline, headaches sucked, and my nipples would bleed if i squeezed them hard
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  10. puffy nips?

    i say letro ad cabergoline



    cabergo worked well for me with nips but sides were horrible but i toughed it out.

    i would throw up like 3 times a day with cabergoline, headaches sucked, and my nipples would bleed if i squeezed them hard

    Why caber?

    Primo doesn't cause prolactin issues directly.

    I've taken caber and was lucky enough not to get any side besides great orgasms. Yuh.....
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    In for the ride bro.....sorry I'm late.

    Sick Deadlift number BTW.
    thanks brother... yeah i love deadlifts..

    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    puffy nips?
    i say letro ad cabergoline

    cabergo worked well for me with nips but sides were horrible but i toughed it out.
    i would throw up like 3 times a day with cabergoline, headaches sucked, and my nipples would bleed if i squeezed them hard
    lmao... bLEEDING NIPPS sounds hardcore... not sure if i wanna go that route yet... from my understanding letrozole can/might help reduce prolactin IF that is the problem...


    did the epistane you just logged cause this case of the puff nip you had?

    i cant understand why prolactin could be an issue .. its not a progestin right?

    im done w the epi... i cant risk my nipples... everyone in my area that uses/used ph/ds has some f*cked up nipples... everyone in my area that uses aas has NO gyno... run tell that ....
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  12. workout

    full squats

    135 x 10 warm up

    225 x 20 2 min break

    245 x 20 2 min break

    275 x 20 i was smoked last 5 were at/above paralell

    leg press

    720 + sled x 15
    900 + sled x 12
    1080 + sled x 10

    5 sets leg extentions
    5 sets curls

    split squats w dbs

    (focusing on depth.. back leg on bench)

    35x10
    40x10
    45x10

    my hips are real tight... need to roll them/stretch

    cardio tomorrow morning

    nips arent sore, still a little puffy... gunna run 2.5 mg letro and 40mg nolva till they go down... maybe ill have to grab some caber if they dont clear up
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  13. Damn dude, Squats x 20 are always painful and good as can be. Great numbers.

    Good to hear things are settling down with the nips.

    From looking at your workout, you got me to toss another plate on for my pull ups today. First time I tried 90 chained to me, x7,x6, x5, this done in the second to last circuit out of four, so I wasn't fresh, but they felt good.
    Thanks for the indirect push! My bis were fried.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  14. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    Damn dude, Squats x 20 are always painful and good as can be. Great numbers.

    Good to hear things are settling down with the nips.

    From looking at your workout, you got me to toss another plate on for my pull ups today. First time I tried 90 chained to me, x7,x6, x5, this done in the second to last circuit out of four, so I wasn't fresh, but they felt good.
    Thanks for the indirect push! My bis were fried.


    yeah man, 20 rep squats are killer... im feeling it today LOL

    your welcome bro.. i try to alternate weeks i do those....

    after doing sets w 90lbs chained to you, youll be amazed at how many pullups you can do w just bw... i hit something like 30 (25 clean)

    keep killin it and keep those gains
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  15. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    yeah man, 20 rep squats are killer... im feeling it today LOL

    your welcome bro.. i try to alternate weeks i do those....

    after doing sets w 90lbs chained to you, youll be amazed at how many pullups you can do w just bw... i hit something like 30 (25 clean)

    keep killin it and keep those gains
    I'll have to give the pullups a try without anything after a few months. I've been able to do 24 before, I wonder how many i could do now that I discovered I can do them HEAVY.

    Thanks for the encouragement bro. I appreciate. You keep killing it too!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  16. today i did shoulders/lats (just kinda threw stuf together... i do this sometimes)

    smith machine
    90lbsx15 (warmup)

    180lbsx 10 3x

    supersetted with decline bench

    135x15 warm up shoulder wasnt enjoying decline so i stayed light

    225x10 x3

    lateral raises

    20x10
    25x10
    30x10

    rear delt - i think this may be my weak spot.... i kept things light and focused on getting a full ROM and i was feeling a little click in my shoulder ...

    70lbs x10 3x


    pullups

    6 sets of 10 bw+45lbs

    pullovers

    4 sets of 10 w 70lb dumbell


    hanging leg lifts

    4 sets of 10

    and i was inspired by kabuki to start doing the ab wheel ...

    but im not as beastly as he is so i could only hack 3 sets of 5

    (how the hell can he manage to do 20)




    some notes:

    people are looking at me like im a freak in the gym

    certainly dont feel "on" but im growing like i am

    letros helping the gyno... ordering caber tomorrow ....

    vascularity is ridiculous... roadmap veins all over my arms and legs...

    NEED TO DO MORE CARDIO

    im thinking of throwing this winni i have at a low dose 50mg eod or so once this gyno situation settles its beef w me.. anyone disagree with that?
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  17. Great workout!

    W.O.Ds are the sh1t and I have no idea how Chris does sets of them like that. I'm still working on good form and being able to perform them without slamming my face into the ground while holding my body on the wheel like a plank. It is going to be a little bit before I can get there.....

    Var isn't as hard on the joints but it is more expensive. I've taken var and was very, very happy at 80mg ED and 100mg ED although I had to take about 9 grams of taurine a day to keep the back/shins/calf pumps at bay.

    I've never taken winnie honestly....either should lean you up in theory.
    Last edited by morry; 04-13-2011 at 09:35 PM. Reason: WOD addin
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  18. Swoll, I'm curious, why Primo over something like Masteron?

    I know ther reviews are mixed as the whether one is "better" than the other, but Primo is slightly more expensive. What got you to go with Primo?
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  19. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    Great workout!

    W.O.Ds are the sh1t and I have no idea how Chris does sets of them like that. I'm still working on good form and being able to perform them without slamming my face into the ground while holding my body on the wheel like a plank. It is going to be a little bit before I can get there.....

    Var isn't as hard on the joints but it is more expensive. I've taken var and was very, very happy at 80mg ED and 100mg ED although I had to take about 9 grams of taurine a day to keep the back/shins/calf pumps at bay.

    I've never taken winnie honestly....either should lean you up in theory.

    the wheel is a killer... a full body killer... my lats/shoulders/chest/abs were beaten... for me, theyre really hard to control on the way down, (like you said without smashing my face/knees) i have to go down real slow and tight .... kabuki just slams hundreds out then pushes a prowler w 500lbs on it LOL

    he is a sick individual


    i already have this win sitting here i dont think im gunna order var for this cycle... im trying to keep it short and sweet for my first injectable...(primo 8 weeks is mild)

    i dont plan on running too many cycles per year.. maybe 2 this year (for my next i was looking at a 12 week test e solo w/ a drol kickstart on a bulk in december... but let me not get ahead of myself

    ... from my understanding winny is the WORST steroid for my health.... i think i should try it... LOL

    if i decide to, it will be the last 4 weeks of this cycle and ill have to turn it into a BIT more of a cut than i originally intended to...


    morry, you dont like back/shin/calf pumps? i kinda like them lol... i remember good ol superdrols pumps when im trying to go to sleep sometimes...

    THEY SUCKED
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  20. I don't mind the pumps, they just get to where I can't deadlift bc they hurt so bad. The pumps on Var is so much worse than just normal back pumps. Those I can work through. These, if I ignore them, stop me in my tracks.....

    They suck.

    If you got the winny, sh1t why not then? I agree, 8 weeks is mile with Primo so I wouldn't think it would do too much damage. You're a smart dude, I'm sure you'll do the reading and figure out a way to make it the least harsh you can.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  21. back

    pullups

    bwx15 warm up

    bw +45lb plate x 10

    bw +90lbsx 5 3x

    bb rows

    135x 10 warm up

    225 x 10
    245 x 10
    275 x 5
    315 x 5
    315 x 3 FAIL

    pulldowns behind neck

    dont remember the weights... just know i went hard

    stiffleg deadlifts

    135x20 warm up

    405x 15

    25 min walk on an incline ...


    some notes

    nips are doing better... still gunna take the caber when it gets hurr (cant wait for my girl to get home from school) she goes to scranton and only comes home on the weekends

    leaning out considerably... ive been trying to limit my carbs to pre/post w.o only

    had a disagreement with one of my boys.... hes stuck on shooting tren only ... thinking tren wont shut him down or cause gyno... (fail) he wont listen to me

    shoulder is doing better, still a bit sore


    upping the primo to 400mg/ week was previously running 300

    pin day tomrrow!!
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  22. Great workout bro!!^^^

  23. Superdrol gyno is caused by prolactin build up, superdrol keeps it very low on cycle then some time after pct it creeps up and boom. Gyno, since your estro is back to normal at this time high prolactin can cause gyno, sometimes on cycle too.
    For your gyno i would have went with letro, letro reduces estrogen by 95%, prolactin cant do anything if there is no estrogen. Also it binds very strongly to the mammary gland in the nips. I would then taper the letro down to .25-.5mg for the remainder of the cycle to keep it at bay. Using caber at this time for prolactin. Then when in pct use nolva with or without clomed. Nolva will help the estro rebound from the letro and also binds strongly to the mammary gland. Keep using caber if you wish for prolactin as nolva wont help that.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    Superdrol gyno is caused by prolactin build up, superdrol keeps it very low on cycle then some time after pct it creeps up and boom. Gyno, since your estro is back to normal at this time high prolactin can cause gyno, sometimes on cycle too.
    For your gyno i would have went with letro, letro reduces estrogen by 95%, prolactin cant do anything if there is no estrogen. Also it binds very strongly to the mammary gland in the nips. I would then taper the letro down to .25-.5mg for the remainder of the cycle to keep it at bay. Using caber at this time for prolactin. Then when in pct use nolva with or without clomed. Nolva will help the estro rebound from the letro and also binds strongly to the mammary gland. Keep using caber if you wish for prolactin as nolva wont help that.
    this is exactly what im gunna do/doing... i just dont understand why superdrol causes prolactin issues... technically it shouldnt....

    cabers comin tho... so hopefully ill be straight...
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  25. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    Swoll, I'm curious, why Primo over something like Masteron?

    I know ther reviews are mixed as the whether one is "better" than the other, but Primo is slightly more expensive. What got you to go with Primo?
    i must have overlooked this post morry...

    i chose primo because for my first injectable cycle, i wanted to run something mild.... primo is giving me a distinct "clean" feeling i dont exactly know how to describe it

    masteron is cheaper (not by much where i shop)

    i have had friends who ran primo before with fantastic results...

    besides... arnold used it (not srs)
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  26. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    this is exactly what im gunna do/doing... i just dont understand why superdrol causes prolactin issues... technically it shouldnt....

    cabers comin tho... so hopefully ill be straight...
    yea well, things dont always pan out on paper like they do in the real world

  27. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    i must have overlooked this post morry...

    i chose primo because for my first injectable cycle, i wanted to run something mild.... primo is giving me a distinct "clean" feeling i dont exactly know how to describe it

    masteron is cheaper (not by much where i shop)

    i have had friends who ran primo before with fantastic results...

    besides... arnold used it (not srs)
    Makes sense. I'll be hitting masteron up on my next cycle.....along with some other goodies......

    I'm glad we both log bc the difference will be good to see. I know it won't give us exact data bc you are stonger than I am, but it will get us close.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  28. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    Makes sense. I'll be hitting masteron up on my next cycle.....along with some other goodies......

    I'm glad we both log bc the difference will be good to see. I know it won't give us exact data bc you are stonger than I am, but it will get us close.
    im told masteron needs to be run at a LOW bf to really reap its benefits

    i might be a little stronger, but im also at a way higher bodyfat... by the time i get down to your bf %... i should be a bit weaker (unless this winny is really that serious)

    so for now morry, i will admit, you have the upperhand as far as physique goes... FOR NOW!!! lol



    today i did shoulders

    seated bb shoulder press

    185lbs x 10 10 sets (didnt wanna push it w my shoulder hurting so i made up for going light with volume)

    pre-exhaust/superset w/ front and side raises 25lb dbs (5 sets each)


    30 sec breaks between sets for example... presses right into raises THEN 30 sec break then back to presses


    dumbell reverse flys

    20x10
    25x10
    25x10

    shoulder doesnt enjoy any rear delt work... clicks and hurts so i cut it short

    any suggestions for this ?


    did some ab work

    4 sets of 5 wheel of death (loving this ish)

    hanging leg raises (pull up position)

    4 sets of 10

    sit ups

    4 sets of 25



    been working out a little with my 19 y/o brother... dude is a straight beast... never been on an anabolic in his life and benches 400lbs @ 190lbs ...

    (it sucks to have a lil bro out benching me when IM the one cycling) LOL



    20 min walk on an incline after the weights (my knees are F"d with this letro)

    been megadosing fishoil sam-e and glucosamine .. knees are screwed




    some notes

    knees BAD

    shoulder BAD

    nipples BETTER (almost) ... not puffy, but i know if i drop the letro/tamox concoction i have going on right now they will swell right up.. caber on its way

    libido AWESOME (girlfriend came home tonight... in the middle of our fap sesh, i had an image of myself come into my head... I WAS THE TROJAN HORSE...) i srsly laughed out loud...

    i dont think primo is HELPing my libido, i think it just makes it hard to bust a nut... and my endurance is up in comparison to my all out bulk to 220lbs and 18%bf over the winter..... up until a few weeks before this cycle started i wasnt doing ANY cardio



    planning on legs tomorrow, hopefully my knees agree with me
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  29. The masteron comment is not true
    Letro will dry your joints out, you shouldnt need letro for too long. Add cissus and 6g fishoil perday. Then follow up with tamox+caber Btw what doseing scheme did you use for letro?
    Your shoulder sounds like and ac joint issues, i have the same problem. not a big deal, just avoid movement that hurt. Try face pulls or scarcrows for rear delts

  30. Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    The masteron comment is not true
    Letro will dry your joints out, you shouldnt need letro for too long. Add cissus and 6g fishoil perday. Then follow up with tamox+caber Btw what doseing scheme did you use for letro?
    Your shoulder sounds like and ac joint issues, i have the same problem. not a big deal, just avoid movement that hurt. Try face pulls or scarcrows for rear delts
    im running that much fish oil already... ill grab some cissus

    its been about a week at 2.5ed... my libido isnt tanked and i dont feel horrible (aside from my knees) next week im gunna go to 2.5 eod then start breaking the pills up tapering... im actually planning on continuing running it until pct... then switching to aromasin tamox and caber ..

    ill try the face pulls, i havent done them in a while


    thanks for your help bro
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html
  

  
 

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