SWOLLEN87's Quest for STRENGTH (with epi)

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  1. so today i decided to postpone leg day... my quad is killing me... shot day is tomorrow so ill save squats for tomorrow

    today i lifted back, trying to focus on my lats&bis

    pull ups 20-10-10
    Add 1 45plate 10
    add 2 45plates 5

    lat pulldown wide grip
    stack (think its 240?)

    10-10-8- drop weight 15

    lat pulldown reverse grip

    200x10
    220x10
    240x8
    100x15 (no break)

    pull overs

    65x10
    75x 8
    85x 6
    85x6


    then we just did some curls... they dont matter... curls are for girls...

    no sides... i was down weight yesterday... 200 in the morning... today i was 208 when i woke up... lots of fluctuation in water....

    the primo feels really clean ... libido is higher than it usually is...

    my girl goes to school out in scranton PA>.... i told her to come home for some ravaging...

    my ballsack is hanging low and nuts are swollen... i feel like i just took a few clomids...

    if my libido doesnt tank during this cycle, im not sure ill ever run anything other than primo... i love this feeling
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html


  2. okay... so i had this feeling today... an unbelievable feeling...


    i decided to take the day to hit PRs ... and thats what i did...

    i dont think this is placebo... i think this primo/epi kicked in right away...

    squats

    135x10
    225x10
    245x10
    felt real strong so i went right to 315

    315x20PR

    did some light leg press

    and then.......................... ...........

    deadlift


    135
    225
    315
    405
    495
    545

    add straps
    575 PR

    im not usually a strap kinda guy, but i forgot my chalk... so i used the straps...

    placebo or not, ive never pulled that heavy before.... or squatted 315 for 20

    i should probably not try to hit these weights again till the end of my cycle... i feel like i was very close to an injury... and that would suck


    my weight is floating around 205 still... one day ill be 210 the next day ill be 200

    mostly hydration i think

    still dosing 15mg epi 300 primo
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html
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  3. nice deadlifts man.
    Comic Sans makes me feel gangsta

  4. Quote Originally Posted by 2k1s View Post
    nice deadlifts man.
    thanks bro
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  5. bad news, shoulder is hurt... not sure how this happened...

    i think i may have done something in my sleep or the other night while i was deadlifting... idk.. im delaying chest day and icing/heating it

    ill be doing 45 mins of cardio/abs/plyo work today
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html
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  6. my shoulder is f'ed so it looks like ill be lifting more like a bodybuilder for a while...

    today i did about 35 mins of fasted cardio (half scoop protien)

    did some light chest today (just really trying to get some movement back in my shoulder....)

    i have an appointment with a chiropractor to see whats good...

    basically, it doesnt hurt when i bench... but anything above my head it kills....

    still managed to get a decent pump with light weight and reps

    also weight is 210 (+5) and im leaning out considerably... will be sure to post before/after pics

    stpooed takin dat epi too... throwing in 50mg win eod.. maybe will go ed
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  7. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    edit: i have a tiny lump, smaller than a pea.... sd makes it blow up, im running the nolva to be safe.... last time i ran epi it scared me a little...
    I really want to know why superdrol causes a lot of "delayed gyno" even after PCT with a SERM and why it can aggravate gyno on cycle.
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  8. Took the epi out? I'd be careful with the winny, it can make tendons more brittle. Don't know what is wrong with your shoulder, just thought I'd warn you lol
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    I really want to know why superdrol causes a lot of "delayed gyno" even after PCT with a SERM and why it can aggravate gyno on cycle.
    My guess is that it has something to do with shbg disruption, prolactin, and unpure otc steroids... people say sd doesnt/can't cause gyno.... they should be shot.....

    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    Took the epi out? I'd be careful with the winny, it can make tendons more brittle. Don't know what is wrong with your shoulder, just thought I'd warn you lol
    I think I'm gunna take a few days off the win/epi.. I've got an appointment on Monday with a chiropractor... I think I might have slightly dislocated it when I deadlifted the other night:
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  10. fu*k my shoulder....

    been icing.. took off today

    weight is steady going up... barely eating over maint. cals 212 today
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  11. weight 211

    went for a fasted jog this morning... felt awesome

    nips are getting a little puffy (despite being on nolva) so i threw in 50mg atd and ill run it for a few days till they go down

    also macuna pruriens and vit b6 and vitamin e

    it seems im SUPER sensitive to estrogen/prolactin (whichever it is)

    been icing/heating my shoulder... i think i should be good to go by tuesday

    tomorrow is leg day

    since my shoulder is hurt, im thinking of turning this cycle into a recomp/cut or at least training lighter

    any input on this would be great
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  12. soo, the atd was a bad idea... came home today and my nips were puffier..

    dumbfounded... never using anything otc agian.....

    if anyones looking ... any input on taking letro and nolva while on cycle...

    im also dropping the epi...





    didnt hit legs today... foam rolling as we speak.. 2m is pin day...

    did chest today

    flat db bench 80x10 warmup 110x10 120x8 130x8 (1min between sets)

    incline 225x12 245x10 275x8 305x5 (shoulder felt great after being worked on)

    incline flys 30x10 35x10 40x10 (light focusing on stretching)

    cable flys supersetted with pushups (had a sick pump)

    kickbacks 20 25 30 x10


    im really upset about this F*ing nipple... im CONSTANTLY battling this thing...

    tomorrow it better be under control...
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  13. In for the ride bro.....sorry I'm late.

    Sick Deadlift number BTW.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  14. puffy nips?
    i say letro ad cabergoline

    cabergo worked well for me with nips but sides were horrible but i toughed it out.
    i would throw up like 3 times a day with cabergoline, headaches sucked, and my nipples would bleed if i squeezed them hard
    The difference between who you are and who you want to be is what you do.

  15. puffy nips?

    i say letro ad cabergoline



    cabergo worked well for me with nips but sides were horrible but i toughed it out.

    i would throw up like 3 times a day with cabergoline, headaches sucked, and my nipples would bleed if i squeezed them hard

    Why caber?

    Primo doesn't cause prolactin issues directly.

    I've taken caber and was lucky enough not to get any side besides great orgasms. Yuh.....
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  16. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    In for the ride bro.....sorry I'm late.

    Sick Deadlift number BTW.
    thanks brother... yeah i love deadlifts..

    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    puffy nips?
    i say letro ad cabergoline

    cabergo worked well for me with nips but sides were horrible but i toughed it out.
    i would throw up like 3 times a day with cabergoline, headaches sucked, and my nipples would bleed if i squeezed them hard
    lmao... bLEEDING NIPPS sounds hardcore... not sure if i wanna go that route yet... from my understanding letrozole can/might help reduce prolactin IF that is the problem...


    did the epistane you just logged cause this case of the puff nip you had?

    i cant understand why prolactin could be an issue .. its not a progestin right?

    im done w the epi... i cant risk my nipples... everyone in my area that uses/used ph/ds has some f*cked up nipples... everyone in my area that uses aas has NO gyno... run tell that ....
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  17. workout

    full squats

    135 x 10 warm up

    225 x 20 2 min break

    245 x 20 2 min break

    275 x 20 i was smoked last 5 were at/above paralell

    leg press

    720 + sled x 15
    900 + sled x 12
    1080 + sled x 10

    5 sets leg extentions
    5 sets curls

    split squats w dbs

    (focusing on depth.. back leg on bench)

    35x10
    40x10
    45x10

    my hips are real tight... need to roll them/stretch

    cardio tomorrow morning

    nips arent sore, still a little puffy... gunna run 2.5 mg letro and 40mg nolva till they go down... maybe ill have to grab some caber if they dont clear up
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  18. Damn dude, Squats x 20 are always painful and good as can be. Great numbers.

    Good to hear things are settling down with the nips.

    From looking at your workout, you got me to toss another plate on for my pull ups today. First time I tried 90 chained to me, x7,x6, x5, this done in the second to last circuit out of four, so I wasn't fresh, but they felt good.
    Thanks for the indirect push! My bis were fried.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  19. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    Damn dude, Squats x 20 are always painful and good as can be. Great numbers.

    Good to hear things are settling down with the nips.

    From looking at your workout, you got me to toss another plate on for my pull ups today. First time I tried 90 chained to me, x7,x6, x5, this done in the second to last circuit out of four, so I wasn't fresh, but they felt good.
    Thanks for the indirect push! My bis were fried.


    yeah man, 20 rep squats are killer... im feeling it today LOL

    your welcome bro.. i try to alternate weeks i do those....

    after doing sets w 90lbs chained to you, youll be amazed at how many pullups you can do w just bw... i hit something like 30 (25 clean)

    keep killin it and keep those gains
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  20. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    yeah man, 20 rep squats are killer... im feeling it today LOL

    your welcome bro.. i try to alternate weeks i do those....

    after doing sets w 90lbs chained to you, youll be amazed at how many pullups you can do w just bw... i hit something like 30 (25 clean)

    keep killin it and keep those gains
    I'll have to give the pullups a try without anything after a few months. I've been able to do 24 before, I wonder how many i could do now that I discovered I can do them HEAVY.

    Thanks for the encouragement bro. I appreciate. You keep killing it too!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  21. today i did shoulders/lats (just kinda threw stuf together... i do this sometimes)

    smith machine
    90lbsx15 (warmup)

    180lbsx 10 3x

    supersetted with decline bench

    135x15 warm up shoulder wasnt enjoying decline so i stayed light

    225x10 x3

    lateral raises

    20x10
    25x10
    30x10

    rear delt - i think this may be my weak spot.... i kept things light and focused on getting a full ROM and i was feeling a little click in my shoulder ...

    70lbs x10 3x


    pullups

    6 sets of 10 bw+45lbs

    pullovers

    4 sets of 10 w 70lb dumbell


    hanging leg lifts

    4 sets of 10

    and i was inspired by kabuki to start doing the ab wheel ...

    but im not as beastly as he is so i could only hack 3 sets of 5

    (how the hell can he manage to do 20)




    some notes:

    people are looking at me like im a freak in the gym

    certainly dont feel "on" but im growing like i am

    letros helping the gyno... ordering caber tomorrow ....

    vascularity is ridiculous... roadmap veins all over my arms and legs...

    NEED TO DO MORE CARDIO

    im thinking of throwing this winni i have at a low dose 50mg eod or so once this gyno situation settles its beef w me.. anyone disagree with that?
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  22. Great workout!

    W.O.Ds are the sh1t and I have no idea how Chris does sets of them like that. I'm still working on good form and being able to perform them without slamming my face into the ground while holding my body on the wheel like a plank. It is going to be a little bit before I can get there.....

    Var isn't as hard on the joints but it is more expensive. I've taken var and was very, very happy at 80mg ED and 100mg ED although I had to take about 9 grams of taurine a day to keep the back/shins/calf pumps at bay.

    I've never taken winnie honestly....either should lean you up in theory.
    Last edited by morry; 04-13-2011 at 08:35 PM. Reason: WOD addin
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  23. Swoll, I'm curious, why Primo over something like Masteron?

    I know ther reviews are mixed as the whether one is "better" than the other, but Primo is slightly more expensive. What got you to go with Primo?
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  24. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    Great workout!

    W.O.Ds are the sh1t and I have no idea how Chris does sets of them like that. I'm still working on good form and being able to perform them without slamming my face into the ground while holding my body on the wheel like a plank. It is going to be a little bit before I can get there.....

    Var isn't as hard on the joints but it is more expensive. I've taken var and was very, very happy at 80mg ED and 100mg ED although I had to take about 9 grams of taurine a day to keep the back/shins/calf pumps at bay.

    I've never taken winnie honestly....either should lean you up in theory.

    the wheel is a killer... a full body killer... my lats/shoulders/chest/abs were beaten... for me, theyre really hard to control on the way down, (like you said without smashing my face/knees) i have to go down real slow and tight .... kabuki just slams hundreds out then pushes a prowler w 500lbs on it LOL

    he is a sick individual


    i already have this win sitting here i dont think im gunna order var for this cycle... im trying to keep it short and sweet for my first injectable...(primo 8 weeks is mild)

    i dont plan on running too many cycles per year.. maybe 2 this year (for my next i was looking at a 12 week test e solo w/ a drol kickstart on a bulk in december... but let me not get ahead of myself

    ... from my understanding winny is the WORST steroid for my health.... i think i should try it... LOL

    if i decide to, it will be the last 4 weeks of this cycle and ill have to turn it into a BIT more of a cut than i originally intended to...


    morry, you dont like back/shin/calf pumps? i kinda like them lol... i remember good ol superdrols pumps when im trying to go to sleep sometimes...

    THEY SUCKED
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  25. I don't mind the pumps, they just get to where I can't deadlift bc they hurt so bad. The pumps on Var is so much worse than just normal back pumps. Those I can work through. These, if I ignore them, stop me in my tracks.....

    They suck.

    If you got the winny, sh1t why not then? I agree, 8 weeks is mile with Primo so I wouldn't think it would do too much damage. You're a smart dude, I'm sure you'll do the reading and figure out a way to make it the least harsh you can.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html
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