SWOLLEN87's Quest for STRENGTH (with epi)
- 04-12-2011, 12:20 PM
did the epistane you just logged cause this case of the puff nip you had?
i cant understand why prolactin could be an issue .. its not a progestin right?
im done w the epi... i cant risk my nipples... everyone in my area that uses/used ph/ds has some f*cked up nipples... everyone in my area that uses aas has NO gyno... run tell that ....
- 04-12-2011, 03:47 PM
135 x 10 warm up
225 x 20 2 min break
245 x 20 2 min break
275 x 20 i was smoked last 5 were at/above paralell
720 + sled x 15
900 + sled x 12
1080 + sled x 10
5 sets leg extentions
5 sets curls
split squats w dbs
(focusing on depth.. back leg on bench)
my hips are real tight... need to roll them/stretch
cardio tomorrow morning
nips arent sore, still a little puffy... gunna run 2.5 mg letro and 40mg nolva till they go down... maybe ill have to grab some caber if they dont clear up
- 04-12-2011, 10:04 PM
Damn dude, Squats x 20 are always painful and good as can be. Great numbers.
Good to hear things are settling down with the nips.
From looking at your workout, you got me to toss another plate on for my pull ups today. First time I tried 90 chained to me, x7,x6, x5, this done in the second to last circuit out of four, so I wasn't fresh, but they felt good.
Thanks for the indirect push! My bis were fried.
04-13-2011, 10:39 AM
yeah man, 20 rep squats are killer... im feeling it today LOL
your welcome bro.. i try to alternate weeks i do those....
after doing sets w 90lbs chained to you, youll be amazed at how many pullups you can do w just bw... i hit something like 30 (25 clean)
keep killin it and keep those gains
04-13-2011, 06:59 PM
04-13-2011, 08:27 PM
today i did shoulders/lats (just kinda threw stuf together... i do this sometimes)
180lbsx 10 3x
supersetted with decline bench
135x15 warm up shoulder wasnt enjoying decline so i stayed light
rear delt - i think this may be my weak spot.... i kept things light and focused on getting a full ROM and i was feeling a little click in my shoulder ...
70lbs x10 3x
6 sets of 10 bw+45lbs
4 sets of 10 w 70lb dumbell
hanging leg lifts
4 sets of 10
and i was inspired by kabuki to start doing the ab wheel ...
but im not as beastly as he is so i could only hack 3 sets of 5
(how the hell can he manage to do 20)
people are looking at me like im a freak in the gym
certainly dont feel "on" but im growing like i am
letros helping the gyno... ordering caber tomorrow ....
vascularity is ridiculous... roadmap veins all over my arms and legs...
NEED TO DO MORE CARDIO
im thinking of throwing this winni i have at a low dose 50mg eod or so once this gyno situation settles its beef w me.. anyone disagree with that?
04-13-2011, 08:34 PM
W.O.Ds are the sh1t and I have no idea how Chris does sets of them like that. I'm still working on good form and being able to perform them without slamming my face into the ground while holding my body on the wheel like a plank. It is going to be a little bit before I can get there.....
Var isn't as hard on the joints but it is more expensive. I've taken var and was very, very happy at 80mg ED and 100mg ED although I had to take about 9 grams of taurine a day to keep the back/shins/calf pumps at bay.
I've never taken winnie honestly....either should lean you up in theory.
04-13-2011, 08:56 PM
Swoll, I'm curious, why Primo over something like Masteron?
I know ther reviews are mixed as the whether one is "better" than the other, but Primo is slightly more expensive. What got you to go with Primo?
04-13-2011, 08:58 PM
the wheel is a killer... a full body killer... my lats/shoulders/chest/abs were beaten... for me, theyre really hard to control on the way down, (like you said without smashing my face/knees) i have to go down real slow and tight .... kabuki just slams hundreds out then pushes a prowler w 500lbs on it LOL
he is a sick individual
i already have this win sitting here i dont think im gunna order var for this cycle... im trying to keep it short and sweet for my first injectable...(primo 8 weeks is mild)
i dont plan on running too many cycles per year.. maybe 2 this year (for my next i was looking at a 12 week test e solo w/ a drol kickstart on a bulk in december... but let me not get ahead of myself
... from my understanding winny is the WORST steroid for my health.... i think i should try it... LOL
if i decide to, it will be the last 4 weeks of this cycle and ill have to turn it into a BIT more of a cut than i originally intended to...
morry, you dont like back/shin/calf pumps? i kinda like them lol... i remember good ol superdrols pumps when im trying to go to sleep sometimes...
04-13-2011, 09:09 PM
I don't mind the pumps, they just get to where I can't deadlift bc they hurt so bad. The pumps on Var is so much worse than just normal back pumps. Those I can work through. These, if I ignore them, stop me in my tracks.....
If you got the winny, sh1t why not then? I agree, 8 weeks is mile with Primo so I wouldn't think it would do too much damage. You're a smart dude, I'm sure you'll do the reading and figure out a way to make it the least harsh you can.
04-14-2011, 06:38 PM
bwx15 warm up
bw +45lb plate x 10
bw +90lbsx 5 3x
135x 10 warm up
225 x 10
245 x 10
275 x 5
315 x 5
315 x 3 FAIL
pulldowns behind neck
dont remember the weights... just know i went hard
135x20 warm up
25 min walk on an incline ...
nips are doing better... still gunna take the caber when it gets hurr (cant wait for my girl to get home from school) she goes to scranton and only comes home on the weekends
leaning out considerably... ive been trying to limit my carbs to pre/post w.o only
had a disagreement with one of my boys.... hes stuck on shooting tren only ... thinking tren wont shut him down or cause gyno... (fail) he wont listen to me
shoulder is doing better, still a bit sore
upping the primo to 400mg/ week was previously running 300
pin day tomrrow!!
04-14-2011, 07:08 PM
04-14-2011, 07:12 PM
Superdrol gyno is caused by prolactin build up, superdrol keeps it very low on cycle then some time after pct it creeps up and boom. Gyno, since your estro is back to normal at this time high prolactin can cause gyno, sometimes on cycle too.
For your gyno i would have went with letro, letro reduces estrogen by 95%, prolactin cant do anything if there is no estrogen. Also it binds very strongly to the mammary gland in the nips. I would then taper the letro down to .25-.5mg for the remainder of the cycle to keep it at bay. Using caber at this time for prolactin. Then when in pct use nolva with or without clomed. Nolva will help the estro rebound from the letro and also binds strongly to the mammary gland. Keep using caber if you wish for prolactin as nolva wont help that.
04-14-2011, 08:53 PM
04-14-2011, 09:02 PM
i chose primo because for my first injectable cycle, i wanted to run something mild.... primo is giving me a distinct "clean" feeling i dont exactly know how to describe it
masteron is cheaper (not by much where i shop)
i have had friends who ran primo before with fantastic results...
besides... arnold used it (not srs)
04-14-2011, 10:20 PM
04-14-2011, 10:44 PM
04-15-2011, 11:39 PM
i might be a little stronger, but im also at a way higher bodyfat... by the time i get down to your bf %... i should be a bit weaker (unless this winny is really that serious)
so for now morry, i will admit, you have the upperhand as far as physique goes... FOR NOW!!! lol
today i did shoulders
seated bb shoulder press
185lbs x 10 10 sets (didnt wanna push it w my shoulder hurting so i made up for going light with volume)
pre-exhaust/superset w/ front and side raises 25lb dbs (5 sets each)
30 sec breaks between sets for example... presses right into raises THEN 30 sec break then back to presses
dumbell reverse flys
shoulder doesnt enjoy any rear delt work... clicks and hurts so i cut it short
any suggestions for this ?
did some ab work
4 sets of 5 wheel of death (loving this ish)
hanging leg raises (pull up position)
4 sets of 10
4 sets of 25
been working out a little with my 19 y/o brother... dude is a straight beast... never been on an anabolic in his life and benches 400lbs @ 190lbs ...
(it sucks to have a lil bro out benching me when IM the one cycling) LOL
20 min walk on an incline after the weights (my knees are F"d with this letro)
been megadosing fishoil sam-e and glucosamine .. knees are screwed
nipples BETTER (almost) ... not puffy, but i know if i drop the letro/tamox concoction i have going on right now they will swell right up.. caber on its way
libido AWESOME (girlfriend came home tonight... in the middle of our fap sesh, i had an image of myself come into my head... I WAS THE TROJAN HORSE...) i srsly laughed out loud...
i dont think primo is HELPing my libido, i think it just makes it hard to bust a nut... and my endurance is up in comparison to my all out bulk to 220lbs and 18%bf over the winter..... up until a few weeks before this cycle started i wasnt doing ANY cardio
planning on legs tomorrow, hopefully my knees agree with me
04-16-2011, 12:08 AM
The masteron comment is not true
Letro will dry your joints out, you shouldnt need letro for too long. Add cissus and 6g fishoil perday. Then follow up with tamox+caber Btw what doseing scheme did you use for letro?
Your shoulder sounds like and ac joint issues, i have the same problem. not a big deal, just avoid movement that hurt. Try face pulls or scarcrows for rear delts
04-16-2011, 10:18 AM
its been about a week at 2.5ed... my libido isnt tanked and i dont feel horrible (aside from my knees) next week im gunna go to 2.5 eod then start breaking the pills up tapering... im actually planning on continuing running it until pct... then switching to aromasin tamox and caber ..
ill try the face pulls, i havent done them in a while
thanks for your help bro
04-16-2011, 05:14 PM
todays workout was legs
135x10 warm up
35lb dbs x10 3x
leg press drop set
14 plates each side x5
then calf ext.
185x 5 3x
225x 3 3x
was beat after this workout... slacked off on my diet today... need to up my food. weight was 205.5 this morning but i look bigger and considerably more cut up
04-17-2011, 07:10 PM
today was an off day...
last night i went to the movies w/ my girl... left with my brother to go to honda day at atco raceway (sick day btw)
330 am we left, pulled up at the gate at 5 and took an hour nap... so all together i might have gotten 3 1/2 hours sleep?
didnt have the tools needed to eat cleanly today... but i kept the carbs low at least.
had a ribeye, 7 hot dogs (beef) and about 15 chicken wings and 6 hard boiled eggs
the only carbs i had all day was a giant sweet potato around 5 am.
honda day was sick, im a big honda enthusiast, my brothers car was in the show and we had the hottest whip in the packed lot...
deadlifts tomorrow to make up for my devious behavior
04-18-2011, 05:05 PM
225 x 5
315 x 5
405 x 5
495 x 2
550 x 1
565 x 1
575 x 1
595 x 1 miss at my knees
405 x 12
225 x 10 3x
supersetted with behind neck pulldowns
100x 10 3x
20 mins cardio
10 min sprints (what i do is keep the treadmill off, and i sprint pushing the track for 1 min, then i walk for a minute with it on 4mph and a 5% incline)
so all together it was 10 min sprints and 10 mins walking
12 hours of sleep last night was much needed
did some foam rolling/stretching after cardio
04-19-2011, 07:07 PM
flat bb bench
cable flys supersetted with pushups
35x10 then 20 pushups 40x10 then 20 ect up to 50
did some abs, 15 mins cardio
weight was down, 199 this morning but stronger
04-20-2011, 10:34 AM
04-20-2011, 11:46 AM
04-20-2011, 05:14 PM
you may hate my deadlifts, but i hate that you stole my exercise (pullups+90lbs) and you can already do more than me within a week IN PCT... that just not cool at all lol.... makes me feel weak and soft
light w/o abs were smoked tho... tomorrow will be leg day
pics tonight as lng as morry can post them for me (because im a fcktard when it comes to electronic things)- weird tho because i wire houses for a living
04-20-2011, 07:15 PM
04-20-2011, 07:56 PM
thanks morry... my computer almost got the "hulk smash" tday
it was tellin me my image is a bmp and i can only upload jpgs or something.. idk..
i kept tryin to do stuff in paint and it just wasnt working out... i should have taken a few before pics as the transformation thus far is impressive..
ill try to get one up of me as a fat lard at 220 i might have layin around
today i did 4 sets of 5 w.o.d
hanging leg raises (pullup position)
side crunches w 45lb db 4 sets of 10
and then 20mins of cardio
even with glucosamine and cond. and 6g fishoil my joints are FU*KED
im gunna order up some cissus to see whats good wit that ish
caber on the way along w my aromasin
im loving the strength gains, aggression and hardening effect of the primo/winny
no hairloss at all, suprising..
lethargy is getting to me tho... i dont feel shut down, could be, but i think its the letro..
still have morning wood every day... so idk...
im going to try spacing the letro out 2.5 eod or e3d
just had pasta (rare) gluten free brown rice pasta is like an icecream cone to a celiac LOL
so ill consider today something like a refeed/carb load day.. going to destroy my legs tomorrow
04-20-2011, 08:14 PM
04-20-2011, 08:38 PM
04-20-2011, 09:17 PM
I'm here bro. Sorry I didn't get a chance to read through all 4 pages but I read through the first and last. How has the strength training been coming along? Are you progressing while working lifts only once a week? While prepping for comps I would work every 5 days on my lifts, and more volume too. I would do 5-6 sets on my triples or doubles. That's what I was taught back in the day from one of my PL trainers and I still keep to it till this day. And the weighted pull-ups were one of the bread and butters that's not utilized by very many.
04-20-2011, 09:23 PM
Also try rear delt rows too.
Also you probably dont need to be at a maintence dosage of 2.5mg of letro once you get your nips undercontrol. .25mg to .5mg will be plenty on cycle to prevent flair ups.
04-20-2011, 09:26 PM
Looking ****in SWOLE n RIPPED bro (No homo), not suprised that Morry helped you out, hes a good dude . Was reading through previous pages, those be some nice numbers on the deads
04-20-2011, 10:41 PM
i plan on switching over to aromasin @ 25mg then slowly tapering down until 1 week after nolva/clomid
my nips are JUST starting to be under control... but i think this is more of a prolactin issue than estro... (caber on the way) the letro just seems to be keeping it where its at (small "feel-able" lumps.. but not yet visible)
im actually suprised morry was willing to help me after i bashed him... we have since squashed our "beef"- it speaks of character when someone can look past the negatives to help someone
hopefully i can get a video up of the deads... i mayy just go for 600
so my pct will consist of
nolva 20/20/10/10 Frontload 40mg 3 days
clomid 100/50/50 - im told of some type of suppressive metabolite after 3 wks
caber .5eod (should i use this in pct?)
and aromasin - tapering down maybe something like 0/25/12.5/12.5/6.25
the only thing not set in stone is the aromasin... its up in the air... any input on this?
04-20-2011, 10:45 PM
i wouldnt not use the aromasin in pct.
Taper your letro like this
.25mg then you can sit here till the end of pct.
Nolva shoule be 20/20/20/10 bc you dont want any rebound from the letro
Caber is fine
04-20-2011, 10:55 PM
04-20-2011, 11:15 PM
2.5mg, 1.25mg, 1.25mg, 1.25mg, .5mg, .5mg, .5mg, .25mg till you come off. aromasin doesnt bind as strongly as letro, and letro has a very long half life, it also binds to reduce estrogen by 95%. Just taper letro and use nolva in pct with caber, you are way over thinking this. They are extras. Not screw your pct up for your nips...
04-20-2011, 11:19 PM
If going for prolactin control, go for some P5P and/or some L-dopa.
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04-20-2011, 11:22 PM
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