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  1. Volcom's Creatine Nitrate and Mesomorph Log


    First off, I’d like to thank APS and Judgement Day for offering me the opportunity to log their supplements, CREATINE NITRATE and MESOMORPH.

    I’m particularly excited about this because I’ve recently fallen in love with pre-workouts ever since I tried Jack3d, which in turn led me to try ASGT and once Mesomorph was released and after I read all the positive feedback on it, I became very interested in this product. Jack3d and ASGT are my current standards of quality as far as pre-workouts are concerned and I’m hoping Mesomorph lives up to or even exceeds those standards.

    Creatine Nitrate is also something I’ve been incredibly interested in ever since it came out. Historically, I’m an old school guy who lives & breathes creatine mono as a tried and true form of creatine and I rarely venture out of plain & simple mono. Also, historically, I’ve not been a fan of the Arginine AKG based NO2 craze. However, I am always open to give something a first hand experience and I like what I’ve read in regards to Nitrates and NO2.

    A Little About Me:
    Primarily, I’m a bodybuilder like most everyone else here, with the exception that my workout partners happen to be amateur football and MMA athletes, therefore, along with my traditional muscle hypertrophy focused lifts, I also dabble in Olympic Lifts, such as the Olympic Snatch, Olympic Clean & Jerk and various accessory power driven lifts (power as in velocity centric, not 1RM squats and bench presses).

    I’m looking forward to both of these products and thank you again APS and Judgement Day.

    I was asked to post photos, but I don’t have any, however, I do have some quasi-recent videos that I can post a compare and contrast to, so here’s a little about me.



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    UPDATE: 15 days into Creatine Nitrate and Mesomorph video for the Olympic Hang Snatch PR attempts.

    Last edited by VolcomX311; 12-26-2010 at 11:28 PM.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    First off, Iíd like to thank APS and Judgement Day for offering me the opportunity to log their supplements, CREATINE NITRATE and MESOMORPH.

    Iím particularly excited about this because Iíve recently fallen in love with pre-workouts ever since I tried Jack3d, which in turn led me to try ASGT and once Mesomorph was released and after I read all the positive feedback on it, I became very interested in this product. Jack3d and ASGT are my current standards of quality as far as pre-workouts are concerned and Iím hoping Mesomorph lives up to or even exceeds those standards.

    Creatine Nitrate is also something Iíve been incredibly interested in ever since it came out. Historically, Iím an old school guy who lives & breathes creatine mono as a tried and true form of creatine and I rarely venture out of plain & simple mono. Also, historically, Iíve not been a fan of the Arginine AKG based NO2 craze. However, I am always open to give something a first hand experience and I like what Iíve read in regards to Nitrates and NO2.

    A Little About Me:
    Primarily, Iím a bodybuilder like most everyone else here, with the exception that my workout partners happen to be amateur football and MMA athletes, therefore, along with my traditional muscle hypertrophy focused lifts, I also dabble in Olympic Lifts, such as the Olympic Snatch, Olympic Clean & Jerk and various accessory power driven lifts (power as in velocity centric, not 1RM squats and bench presses).

    Iím looking forward to both of these products and thank you again APS and Judgement Day.

    I was asked to post photos, but I donít have any, however, I do have some quasi-recent videos that I can post a compare and contrast to, so hereís a little about me.


    Way to start the log off, digging the workout videos
    Core Nutritionals Representative
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  3. Of course I will sub.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    Way to start the log off, digging the workout videos
    Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    Of course I will sub.
    Awesome. Thanks fellas. I can't wait for my first impressions of these products.

  5. I am all over this man! Thanks for the invite!
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I am all over this man! Thanks for the invite!
    Kleen! Feels like long time no see. Glad you came

  7. In this fella!
  8. First Impressions..... WOW! Day 1


    To simply say Mesomorph is potent would be a disservice.

    Preface:
    Tonight was my first impression with Mesomorph, but it would not be a true, stim-virgin impression, as I have been on a 1:1 scoop concoction of Jack3d and ASGT for about two months now, 3-4 times a week. Meaning, my stim tolerance is well established and relatively high. However, after my workout I'm still feeling like the way you feel the first time you take some weight loss stim product after a month of stim celibacy. This is how day one of White Flood on fresh adrenal glands feel to me, minus the postworkout endorphin orgy fueled by the nootropics.

    Chest Day

    Flat Bench
    225lbs x 10 reps
    275lbs x 10 reps
    295lbs x 10 reps
    315lbs x 5 reps
    335lbs x 3 reps2

    Incline Bench
    225lbs x 10 reps
    255lbs x 10 reps
    275lbs x 7 reps
    295lbs x 7 reps

    Hammer Wide Press
    270lbs x 10 reps
    320lbs x 10 reps
    360lbs x 8 reps
    360lbs x 6 reps

    Incline Machine Press
    180lbs x 15 reps
    225lbs x 12 reps
    245lbs x 10 reps
    250lbs x 10 reps
    265lbs x 8 reps
    280lbs x 6 reps

    What I noticed the most was an increase in general stamina and intra-set muscle endurance. I was able to push heavier weight, later in the workout and go deeper into the reps as the sets progressed.

    Side Notes
    - 1 scoop of Mesomorph feels like 2 scoops of Jack3d in terms of the parasthetic (tingling sensations from the Beta Alanine) effects. This is not necessarily a good or bad thing. Some people really love the parasthesia, some don't. Either way, I can still feel residual tingling 2 hours after my 4:00pm dose.

    - While taking Jack3d (solo), I tend to burn out by the end of the workout, it's a rather pronounced crash. On ASGT (solo), I don't ever feel that end of the workout crash, but rather a weaning off of the stim effects. On Mesomorph, I'm still impressively (mentally) stim'd after my workout and the real impressive part about it is that I've been on pre-workouts for about 2 months already, whether I'm taking Jack3d solo, ASGT solo or a concoction of the two (while mixing in V2 on occasion). I didn't know my adrenal glands still had it in them to be so stim receptive. Again, this feels like how I felt the first time I took White Flood after a month of stim celibacy.

    - Creatine Nitrate. It's still too early to judge. I was recently on creatine mono, then switched to Orotine and today was my first dose of creatine nitrate. I can say my experience with Orotin was superior to plain creapure and at the very least, this creatine nitrate has felt just as good. We'll see as the Nitrate portion of the CN starts to take effect what differences, if any, there will be.

    - I actually feel more stim'd right now, then before I started to lift. Jack3d is more of a mental stim and requires a kick start for me before it fully kicks in. I really start to feel the added intensity Jack3d provides intra-workout once my blood has started moving and my metabolism fully awakens. Except, I pay for that added sense of intensity toward the end of the workout, which is fine, as workouts are concerned, because I'm done anyway. Mesomorph felt like jack3d in the sense that it requires some jump starting before its effects fully kick in, the difference is, I'm still in kick start mode post workout. At least as far as Day 1 is concerned.

    I haven't been this surprised by the efficacy of a product since I first tried SX (Slim Xtreme) by Anabolic Xtreme back in the day. Great first day. My only apprehension is that traditionally, supps that kick this strong up front, tend to lose their effects quicker, so we will see how long this great experience rides out. I was truly impressed with Mesomorph tonight, I hope it continues.
    Last edited by VolcomX311; 12-14-2010 at 02:02 PM.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by FlexW99 View Post
    In this fella!
    This officially makes Asians the majority as of right now, lol.

    Post your math problems here.

  10. Very Nice Day 1, very detailed!

    Great to see you enjoyed Day 1, I think you will really enjoy Mesomorph, I found through the whole tub it didn't lose it's effectiveness, I'm interested to see how it effects you.

    What did you dose Creatine Nitrate today?
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    Very Nice Day 1, very detailed!

    Great to see you enjoyed Day 1, I think you will really enjoy Mesomorph, I found through the whole tub it didn't lose it's effectiveness, I'm interested to see how it effects you.

    What did you dose Creatine Nitrate today?
    4 before and 4 after. I liked the other suggestion on the bottle of 6 before 2 after, but considering I'm also on Mesomorph, I thought the 4/4 would suffice, not that I'm not open to 6/2. That said, traditionally, I like to do AM dose, PM dose and pre-workout dose to make sure my creatine stores are full. I'm currently on a low carb diet, so I'm not really benefiting from any post workout insulin spikes to enhance the shuttling of the CN into the muscle, which makes me wonder if I shouldn't just keep it an AM dose and Pre-workout dose.

    P.S. GSP is already training for Shields and though I'm well aware of Shields' accomplishments in ADCC in submitting GSP, Fitch and Leos Santos, I just don't think Shield's stands a chance when GSP is allowed to punch & kick. Not to mention GSP's new found jab.

    Next big fight for me is Penn and Alves, though I would love to see Vitor beat down on Andy Silva, but I just don't see it happening.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    4 before and 4 after. I liked the other suggestion on the bottle of 6 before 2 after, but considering I'm also on Mesomorph, I thought the 4/4 would suffice, not that I'm not open to 6/2. That said, traditionally, I like to do AM dose, PM dose and pre-workout dose to make sure my creatine stores are full. I'm currently on a low carb diet, so I'm not really benefiting from any post workout insulin spikes to enhance the shuttling of the CN into the muscle, which makes me wonder if I shouldn't just keep it an AM dose and Pre-workout dose.

    P.S. GSP is already training for Shields and though I'm well aware of Shields' accomplishments in ADCC in submitting GSP, Fitch and Leos Santos, I just don't think Shield's stands a chance when GSP is allowed to punch & kick. Not to mention GSP's new found jab.

    Next big fight for me is Penn and Alves, though I would love to see Vitor beat down on Andy Silva, but I just don't see it happening.


    You mean Penn and Fitch?

    I wouldn't dose the whole 8 caps when your taking Mesomorph, at max I think 1 scoop of Meso and 5 caps of Creatine Nitrate is all anyone needs. No need for post-workout dose. Doing more then that would be too much Nitrates imo.
    Core Nutritionals Representative

  13. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    This officially makes Asians the majority as of right now, lol.

    Post your math problems here.
    Dude, thats one helluva workout...

  14. Quote Originally Posted by FlexW99 View Post
    Dude, thats one helluva workout...
    Thanks, Flex. I've actually been much more super-set focused lately, so this is an uncommonly straight-forward chest day. Tomorrow is O-lifts and delts, I'm looking forward to it.

    Side note. Have you met with that guy to assess your competition potentials yet?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    You mean Penn and Fitch?

    I wouldn't dose the whole 8 caps when your taking Mesomorph, at max I think 1 scoop of Meso and 5 caps of Creatine Nitrate is all anyone needs. No need for post-workout dose. Doing more then that would be too much Nitrates imo.
    Yeah, absolutely, brain fart, Penn/Fitch (I actually wrote Penn/Alves again before correcting it).

    Alright, cool. I'll go 5 caps tomorrow pre and see how that goes. I'd prefer that type of dosing scheme anyway. Thanks for the suggestion.

    Side Note: Lame that Jose Aldo is out with an injury. Curious, who do you have winning between Vitor/Anderson and Edgar/Maynard II? Also, I'm pulling for Ben Henderson, I like that guy, him and Cerrone are my favorites behind Aldo coming out of the WEC.
    Last edited by VolcomX311; 12-14-2010 at 02:00 PM.

  16. Ben Henderson vs the winner of Edgar/Maynard would be pretty awesome
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    This officially makes Asians the majority as of right now, lol.

    Post your math problems here.
    Lol well Im only half so I dont really effect the count

  18. Wow!Awesome attention to detail in this log.Will follow for sure.


    side:How insane did alves look the other night against howard?He was just on another level,like everything was slow motion for him..

  19. Quote Originally Posted by more knowledge View Post
    Wow!Awesome attention to detail in this log.Will follow for sure.


    side:How insane did alves look the other night against howard?He was just on another level,like everything was slow motion for him..
    Thanks, glad to have you and yeah, Alves reminded me of a thick Jose Aldo the way he was controlling the fight with low kicks. Who are some of your favorite fighters?

  20. Something else worth of note, I took my dose of Mesomorph at 4pm and was still fully energized once I got home. The energy started to wean around 8pm and by 11'ishpm I was able to fall asleep without any hyper-stim'd insomnia. I was actually concerned about this last night, how this would effect my sleep, but it wore off in time and once it did, I didn't have any sleep issues.

  21. Inn for the win Volc, busted ass hand and all. Man I want to lift but it will January before a touch an upper body weight.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Inn for the win Volc, busted ass hand and all. Man I want to lift but it will January before a touch an upper body weight.
    Thanks for joining Fin. What happened to your hand?

  23. Just got through my 1st week back in the gym after almost 2 years off.
    Thanks to AM and all the great things I heard I got Mesomorph. Very impressed and soon to adding Creatine Nitrate to the mix. Whats the deal with APS? Been out for awhile but never heard of them.. So far best pre I ever used. Hope Creatine Nitrate lived up to the hype.. Any suggestions on doses?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    Side note. Have you met with that guy to assess your competition potentials yet?
    No sir. We agreed new year would be best. We're all kinda busy with holidays and such. Im figuring Ill shoot for 2nd week of January...Hes competing in the Jr Nationals this year..Im really hoping he can put me over the top...

    Thx for askin..

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Tommy_Guns View Post
    Just got through my 1st week back in the gym after almost 2 years off.
    Thanks to AM and all the great things I heard I got Mesomorph. Very impressed and soon to adding Creatine Nitrate to the mix. Whats the deal with APS? Been out for awhile but never heard of them.. So far best pre I ever used. Hope Creatine Nitrate lived up to the hype.. Any suggestions on doses?
    JudgmentDay suggested 5 caps pre and that's it, if you're stacking it with Mesomorph. I'll get more detailed as to my thoughts on this stack as soon as I post my workout. Thanks for joining in.

  26. I am 12 and what is this? I'd better sub to find out.
    "I am legally blind and if I can Squat,deadlift and over all get myself to the gym then anyone can get their a$$ in gear and get strong!!" - malleus25
    WHITE WHALE!
  27. Day 2; A Pump Epiphany


    Today was Olympic Lifts and Delts. As far as Olympic lifts goes, we only did the hang snatch because my workout partner hurt his right knee, so we couldn't continue with anything standing that would strain his knee. This is an example of an Olympic Hang Snatch if you're unsure as to what it is.




    HANG SNATCH superset Db LATERAL RAISES
    Hang Snatch 95lbs x 5 reps; superset to 35lbs Db Lateral Raises x 10 reps
    Hang Snatch 115lbs x 5 reps; superset to 35lbs Db Lateral Raises x 10 reps
    Hang Snatch 135lbs x 3 reps; superset to 35lbs Db Lateral Raises x 10 reps
    Hang Snatch 140lbs x 2 reps; superset to 35lbs Db Lateral Raises x 10 reps
    Hang Snatch 145lbs x fail; superset to 35lbs Db Lateral Raises x 10 reps

    SEATED MILITARY superset Bent Over Db Lateral Raises
    Seated Military 135lbs x 10 reps; superset; 35lbs bent over Db Lateral Raises x 10 reps
    Seated Military 155lbs x 10 reps; superset; 35lbs bent over Db Lateral Raises x 10 reps
    Seated Military 185lbs x 8 reps; superset; 35lbs bent over Db Lateral Raises x 10 reps
    Seated Military 205lbs x 6 reps; superset; 35lbs bent over Db Lateral Raises x 10 reps

    Hammer Shoulder Press superset Db Upright Rows
    90lbs x 10 reps; superset 35lbd Db upright rows x 10 reps
    140lbs x 8 reps; superset 35lbd Db upright rows x 10 reps
    160lbs x 10 reps; superset 35lbd Db upright rows x 10 reps

    Smith, Behind The Neck Shrugs
    225lbx x 20 reps
    315lbs x 20 reps
    405lbs x 10 reps
    455lbs x 8 reps
    495lbs x 6 reps

    A Pump Epiphany:
    I'm not one to glorify the pump too much. I don't think a normal pump serves me much purpose beyond an indication that my muscles are warm and primed for lifting. However, I noticed that I never felt ANY build up of Hydrogen + ions from today's lifts, in the face of all that super-setting. In Laymen's terms, I never felt the burning and paralyzing, numbing sensation (which is actually the H+ build up choking out the O2 in the working muscle) inhibiting my lifts.

    My hypothesis concerns the synergy of the Nitrate portion of the creatine, combined with the Mesomorph; the Beta Alanine in particular. Quick breakdown so you can follow my logic. Our muscles feed off of ATP (adenosinetriphosphate) for forceful contractions. The byproduct of ATP are Hydrogen + Ions, the build up of H+ ions in the working muscle choke out the O2 and therefore, the muscle begins to numb and the inability to contract begins to set in. Beta Alanine raises carnosine levels and carnosine buffers H+ ions, therefore, delaying the H+ build up substantially.

    Part two is the lactate threshold. Your lactate threshold is your ability to flush out lactic acid faster then it builds up. As lactic acid builds up in the muscle, you start to lose the ability to "maximally" contract.

    We have two elements that determine the limits of our ability to contract. The build up of the ATP byproduct H+ and the build up of lactic acid.

    The creatineNITRATE and Mesomorph (BA) synergy.
    To be straight forward, the BA ultimately buffers the H+ via elevated carnosine levels and the NITRATES with its ability to assist in superior blood flow via the creation of NO2 causing vasodilation becomes a double barrel shotgun against intra-set muscle fatigue, which is something I felt in an extraordinarily pronounced manner today.

    I hope I didn't use too much jargon and my logic made sense. Great lift today.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by SilentBob187 View Post
    I am 12 and what is this? I'd better sub to find out.
    SB! One of the more veteran members still around. Good to have you.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    Today was Olympic Lifts and Delts. As far as Olympic lifts goes, we only did the hang snatch because my workout partner hurt his right knee, so we couldn't continue with anything standing that would strain his knee. This is an example of an Olympic Hang Snatch if you're unsure as to what it is.




    HANG SNATCH superset Db LATERAL RAISES
    Hang Snatch 95lbs x 5 reps; superset to 35lbs Db Lateral Raises x 10 reps
    Hang Snatch 115lbs x 5 reps; superset to 35lbs Db Lateral Raises x 10 reps
    Hang Snatch 135lbs x 3 reps; superset to 35lbs Db Lateral Raises x 10 reps
    Hang Snatch 140lbs x 2 reps; superset to 35lbs Db Lateral Raises x 10 reps
    Hang Snatch 145lbs x fail; superset to 35lbs Db Lateral Raises x 10 reps

    SEATED MILITARY superset Bent Over Db Lateral Raises
    Seated Military 135lbs x 10 reps; superset; 35lbs bent over Db Lateral Raises x 10 reps
    Seated Military 155lbs x 10 reps; superset; 35lbs bent over Db Lateral Raises x 10 reps
    Seated Military 185lbs x 8 reps; superset; 35lbs bent over Db Lateral Raises x 10 reps
    Seated Military 205lbs x 6 reps; superset; 35lbs bent over Db Lateral Raises x 10 reps

    Hammer Shoulder Press superset Db Upright Rows
    90lbs x 10 reps; superset 35lbd Db upright rows x 10 reps
    140lbs x 8 reps; superset 35lbd Db upright rows x 10 reps
    160lbs x 10 reps; superset 35lbd Db upright rows x 10 reps

    Smith, Behind The Neck Shrugs
    225lbx x 20 reps
    315lbs x 20 reps
    405lbs x 10 reps
    455lbs x 8 reps
    495lbs x 6 reps

    A Pump Epiphany:
    I'm not one to glorify the pump too much. I don't think a normal pump serves me much purpose beyond an indication that my muscles are warm and primed for lifting. However, I noticed that I never felt ANY build up of Hydrogen + ions from today's lifts, in the face of all that super-setting. In Laymen's terms, I never felt the burning and paralyzing, numbing sensation (which is actually the H+ build up choking out the O2 in the working muscle) inhibiting my lifts.

    My hypothesis concerns the synergy of the Nitrate portion of the creatine, combined with the Mesomorph; the Beta Alanine in particular. Quick breakdown so you can follow my logic. Our muscles feed off of ATP (adenosinetriphosphate) for forceful contractions. The byproduct of ATP are Hydrogen + Ions, the build up of H+ ions in the working muscle choke out the O2 and therefore, the muscle begins to numb and the inability to contract begins to set in. Beta Alanine raises carnosine levels and carnosine buffers H+ ions, therefore, delaying the H+ build up substantially.

    Part two is the lactate threshold. Your lactate threshold is your ability to flush out lactic acid faster then it builds up. As lactic acid builds up in the muscle, you start to lose the ability to "maximally" contract.

    We have two elements that determine the limits of our ability to contract. The build up of the ATP byproduct H+ and the build up of lactic acid.

    The creatineNITRATE and Mesomorph (BA) synergy.
    To be straight forward, the BA ultimately buffers the H+ via elevated carnosine levels and the NITRATES with its ability to assist in superior blood flow via the creation of NO2 causing vasodilation becomes a double barrel shotgun against intra-set muscle fatigue, which is something I felt in an extraordinarily pronounced manner today.

    I hope I didn't use too much jargon and my logic made sense. Great lift today.
    AHH PHUCK YEAH MY MAN! You got that last one..you grew on that one bro! 3 times fail I usually call it quits.. Reps!

  30. Good post!

    Nice progress!, so far a wicked log, detail, videos....phenomenal!
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