My Erase / Alpha T2 Cycle
- 10-21-2010, 08:20 AM
My Erase / Alpha T2 Cycle
Starting this stack later today, doing 1 pill of each and will slowly ramp up over 2-3 days to full doses per bottle. I had blood work drawn today cause I've wanted to know certain #s for a while (like test e2, etc). Me and friend actually running this and this time around we both doing 1 bottle cycles, so 4 weeks or so. I can post his general comments too. Natty was cool offering advice so I'd love to help back...via a log.
Lil about me, 37 YO male looking to cut/lean out. I lift weights 4-5 days per week, cardio 2-3 days right now for approx 20 mins with one of my off weights days being a core 30-45 min cardio day.
Lil History...last oct i was 280 lbs, and as of this AM I sit at 199 lbs and I would estimate 19% BF..so I am sitting on a lot of fat.
Im currently eating around 2350 cals during week, around 2600 on Saturdays and on Sundays I got one cheat in there so est my cals may shoot up to around 3500-4k cals. All in all im at a net loss of cals for week and cardio helps the deficit a bit more.
I may not go into details every single day but will include some workouts, some macros and general thoughts every day or two.
I am considering adding the EC stack to this a week into cycle but not sure yet. Any input on this appreciated.....I sorta wanna do an aggressive 4-5 week mini cut before I start my next cycle of something. goal is to lose 8-10 lbs during this window and I anticipate I got a 1-2 lbs of extra water weight still on me.
LOL, sorry for LONG intro!
Adding in some test results:
Test, serum, 507 - range 280-800
Estradoil 23.1 range 7.6-24.6
IGF-1 203 range 109-284
TSH 1.670 range 0.450-4.500
T4 8.6 range 4.5-12
T3 uptake 34 (then says %) range 24-39
Under lipids only ones that concern me are:
HDL Cholesterol 40 range >39
LDL Cholesterol 110 range 0-99 says im high on this one.
I also got some Comp. Metabolic panel and CBC with differential/Platelet if ne1 would like to know something in here. Everything looks normal under these categories.
Now from a lil bit ago...granted i didnt get some of this before and vice versa:
Total test: 510 ng (range 250-1100) This is highest its been...again, test was done around 9am.
Free %: 1.64% (range 1.50-2.20) *this one was 1.05% I think before.
Free: 83.6 pg(range 35-155)
Some other #s I dont know what they mean.....
TSH 3rd generation (353):
.769 uIU (range .510-6.270) *seems real low in the range.
7.6 ug (range for Am is 4.3-22.4 ug)
1.1 n (range.9-1.8)
- 10-21-2010, 09:40 AM
Whats your diet/workouts look like
- 10-21-2010, 12:39 PM
If you've never used either Alpha-T2 or Erase before, then just stick to using them. Once you've used a bottle of each, then you could add some EC to the stack and continue for another ~4 weeks. You should easily be able to lose 8-10 pounds with only one bottle of each - a LOT of that will go in the first week, honestly, especially the food and water weight (we often have more than we think we do!)
Overall, I think you'll love this stack. I am looking forward to doing it myself in ~4 weeks.
The Primordial Woman
10-21-2010, 01:05 PM
Being 37, you should see some better results than most others here.
The thyroidial effects of aT2 should affect you more than others, as well as the estrogen suppression and test boost from Erase.
This should be a fantastic ride.
The Historic PES Legend
10-21-2010, 01:15 PM
this looks real good, and really interested to see how it affects you if coupled with EC
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10-21-2010, 01:34 PM
10-21-2010, 02:23 PM
i will take ur advice and not do EC this time around...thx again!
id like to add i got a male blood panel done this morning and will have results back in a few days. i figure if im throwing stuff in my body i should have an idea whats going on in there! lol. i only did test, estradiol, lipids, metabolic panel, igf-1, CBC with diff, thyroid with TSH. was part of this panel on private MD.
To touch on base on diet....oh, to the poster asking about it, I did post the general idea regarding cals in the OP. To add to it, i get (approx) 240-280 protein, 60-80 fats and carb cycle. Cals average about 2350 and keeping them there for now while i monitor (i see on my behind all day!). Currently for carbs; weekends Id say higher, around 300g, 1-2 light days during week @100g carbs, couple moderates, for me is anywhere from 150-180 and high about 250 carbs during week. To make up cals I add in more protein and fats.
all the above really depends how i feel and scale if im losing to fast. i had 108 g carbs yesterday and lost another lb so today im eating more carbs. One thing im playing with is having most my carbs pre meal, pre shake and post shake.
Workouts im on a 4-5 day split. Ive been toying with hitting arms 2x per week, once tris with chest and bis with back then an arms day where i try higher reps, some supersets. arms been responding well i think. When I get into this I will throw up some examples of my workouts. Something like below:
Monday: chest/some tris
Tuesday: Back/some bis
Sat: is arms day, super sets, etc.
So far the arms doing ok when going back into the chest day.
thx to all those following along!
10-21-2010, 03:26 PM
any benefit to taking these pre workouts? i normally take some sort of preworkout drink and not sure if i want to be popping them with it. figure I would pop about 630 am and like 2pm on empty stomach. my workouts about 430 pm and my pre shake around 415. thx!
10-21-2010, 03:45 PM
10-21-2010, 06:53 PM
Just a quick update....i took 1 erase and 1 alphaT2 empty stomach about 30 mins before my workout today. I would have started this AM but forgot pills at home. Of course i dont think i felt anything just starting and all but almost felt a lil energy rush. Friend commented on it also.
Will do 1 of each in AM and 1 of each later in day then if I feel ok will kick it into full swing Sat.
Wanted to eat more today cause of weight loss lil fast. Would love 199lbs tomorrow but would be happy with 200 still.
10-21-2010, 07:01 PM
subbed I got this stack me this stack as well. Lets see what it does for ya
10-21-2010, 07:45 PM
10-21-2010, 10:50 PM
10-21-2010, 11:12 PM
The Primordial Woman
10-22-2010, 10:43 AM
took 1 of each this AM about 30 mins before breakfast. I feel like gives me energy so i didnt take my black cat with it...least not yet.
Friend is saying hes getting energy too and even made a comment that he felt giddy on the sales floor and wanted to wrestle! lol
hitting gym earlier today so will be taking 2nd dose after gym today. been checking out some bodyforge now and then too for predrink. not bad.
i got to say..i sorta feel odd now. cant really describe it...like ummm sorta outta it a bit almost like a bit im a dream. face feels a lil warm too.
ok gotta get rdy to hit legs today.
yeah taking both so i will follow ur advice cause its always great!
10-22-2010, 10:49 AM
10-22-2010, 02:40 PM
Copy and paste of my workout today. Just dosed 1 erase and 1 AT2 and waiting to eat. Was gonna make it a moderate carbs day but gonna get more in me and end them earlier since i worked out earlier.
Bike WU 7 mins
Stretch 5-10 mins
Smith machine squats: WUx2, 225x14, 275x11, 315x8, 225x12
Leg press: 405x14, 495x12, 585x9, 635x8 495x12
Seated leg curl: 115x16, 125x12, 130x11
Leg ext FST7: 150x12x9x8, 140x12x9, 130x10, 110x12
Smith machine calf raises on 25 plates for height: WUx1, 225x20, 245x18, 265x15, 285x12, 225x15
DB calf raises (toes out, toes neutral, toes in) 60x12x12x12, 60sx12x12x12
Seated rotary calf machine: 70x14, 85x12
1 hr 20 mins, 780 cals
15 mins bike, easy mode, 100 cals, 115 HBPM avg.
Easy on cardio today.
Felt ok, nothing to really say yet about stack.
10-22-2010, 03:12 PM
Gonna edit in some test results i got. They came back fast!
If anyone that knows about these tests wouldnt mind chiming in I would appreciate it.
10-23-2010, 02:47 PM
Took 1 erase and 1 alphaT2 around 730 am, then ate like 8am. I then hit up chest and tris...40 mins cardio cause today was my cheat meal with my son! so about 30 mins before eating i had another erase and alphaT2. going to do the 3 and 3 today but sorta spaced before i jump into 2 and 1 (to equal 3)
Not sure if it was from the erase/alphaT2 stack or the sizeon max i took about 2 hours before i did the cardio, but HBPM were def much easier to get up on the stepper today.
Feeling tired from the workout/eats not.
Am down to 197.5 lbs as of this morning, FYI.
Added in I took the 3rd erase and alpha-T2 today. Lil late at 730pm but I wouldnt mind staying up a bit later tonight!
Had to fight my cravings to cheat again today, glad my son didnt want to eat!
Tomorrow may be doing breakfast with him, not sure yet. Should still be able to keep it 3k-3500 cals which is about my maint.
10-23-2010, 02:57 PM
10-24-2010, 09:24 AM
Hate bloat from cheat meals!
Did the 1+1 before Bfast then 3 hours later did the other 1+1 of Erase/AlphaT2. If I wasnt such a wuss I would the 2 and 2 together. lol
Going to keep the eats clean today. had plans to go out to Bfast but son and i decided against it. Will be eating higher today prob around 3k-3500 cals then back to 2400ish tomorrow. May get some cardio and core in later...really not sure right now gotta see how day goes.
10-24-2010, 12:25 PM
10-24-2010, 07:11 PM
i added them to original post, Rosie. Before and afters.
I would like to add a few notes...I think through better diet and nutrition I may have been able to "naturally" raise my test levels. Previous tests done I was 25x, 28x 326. I ate better, made sure I took multis, added more vitamin d, c and e and def more healthy fats. why u guys may see me getting up to 90ish grams sometimes. can i say for sure if or what did it...no i cant but i sure feel better. oh...and maybe more important...i took ZMA more regularly and added melatonin in lil bit ago. just recently added gaba too. not so much saying ZMA raised test levels itself...but perhaps through some better sleep.
I got another blood panel coming up in Dec, this time a PM test.
got my 3 erase and 3 alphaT2 today. Also hit up the gym for cardio and core! I rarely go on a sunday but was sorta miserable out and i hope it can offset my cheat! hehe. im always so bloated on mondays!
10-24-2010, 09:43 PM
Your HDL is within normal limits, but could be higher.Under lipids only ones that concern me are:
HDL Cholesterol 40 range >39
LDL Cholesterol 110 range 0-99 says im high on this one.
Your LDL definitely needs to be decreased. Nutrition, exercise, and lifestyle habits are factors to target for this.
10-25-2010, 05:04 AM
I need to look into LDL more cause I dont drink or party, diet is pretty spot on, and I exercise a lot. Thx.
10-25-2010, 12:18 PM
*Chronic or high stress
* Hereditary factors
If it's indeed the case that your nutrition is clean and good, and you train hard and intense, then chances are it could be any of those things.
10-25-2010, 07:34 PM
LDL is usually calculated, not measured so there is a possibilty the results could be wrong. The formula they use is.. "Total - (HDL + [Trigs/5]) = LDL." They do this because LDL are so small in comparison to the other particles. If you drop below 100 trigs this equation will miscalculate you LDL. Triglycerides are the fat made in the liver from the carbs you eat. If you restrict carbs in your diet you will probably have very low triglycerides, which means you are going to have problems if the lab uses the Friedewald equation to calculate your LDL levels. I don;t know what your diet really looks like or if this is a valid explanation that would apply to your situation but either way you can go and ask for a VAP test with LDL particle size as part of the measurement, this will give you a direct measurement of your LDL.
Best of luck bud
10-25-2010, 08:36 PM
thx for the info u guys/gals. i do got a good amount of stress right now. guess i will keep an eye on it for now.
i felt pretty pumped in the gym today...i am checking out superpump max also.
Did 1/1 at 545 am - then grab shower and eat.
Next 1/1 about 9am - got stuck eating a lil later here, 10ish.
3rd 1/1 like 230 - ate at 3pm for pre workout meal
*any difference in way im doing it compared to taking the 2/2 first thing in AM then the 1/1 in PM. i am just working on getting the 2 in the AM together soon.
Lil update/example from today:
Pullups - wide: WUx2, BWx8x5, -50x8
Seated pull downs with Vbar: 120x15, 160x7, 120x14
Seated pulley rows: 120x15, 150x7, 120x15, 160x5, 130x12
Db rows: 60x14x12x12
Straightbar curls: WUx1, 85x11, 95x9, 105x6, 85x11 (1-2 cheats)
Hammer curls: 40x9, 35x10
Alt DB curl: 45x9
21s: 1 set with 25s
1 hr 10 mins, approx 700 cals.
Felt really pumped today for some reason. Is it the erase/AT2 and/or superpump max. We will see.
13 mins stepper, moderate avg HBPM 138, 132 cals.
Forgot to do hypers, but least did a set yesterday.
Looking like 2491, will update when I got log in front of me.
Going to keep 2 days off per week from weights but repeat. So this week gonna try:
Sunday: Stretch, Core, cardio day, This is optional off day too.
Monday: Back, bis.
Wed: stretch, Core, cardio day.
Friday: Chest, tris
Sat: (repeats) Back, bis. *if tired will reduce volume.
10-26-2010, 06:23 PM
Took 1/1 erase/AT2 about 545 am, then 1/1 about 830 am and last 1/1 about 2 pm. Tomorrow gonna try 2/2 in morning...or I may do like 2/1 Lol.
I feel my body is on the edge of good things if I can just buckle down a bit more. Diet is prob 85% dialed in. Monday through Friday I'd say is 100%, Sat and Sunday depends. I plan on 2 cheats on weekends but prob eating a bit to much at times so will continue working on thisw.
Example of todays workout below.
Today was delts/traps/cardio:
Smith behind neck press: Wux3, 185x9, 205x7, 224x4, 235x2, 185x8
DB press: 55x14, 60x11x10
Tri set; front plate laterals, side Db laterals, front DB laterals: 45x15 SS 20x10 SS 15x15 (alt), 45x12 SS 20x8 SS 15x12 (alt), 45x12, 17.5x8, 10 lb plates x16 (alt)
Facepulls: 80x15, 90x11, 80x12
Cable upright rows: 100x12, 110x10
Smith machine shrugs: WUx1, 225x20, 275x12, 295x8, 245x12
1 hr 10 mins... cals burnt....? Think 725
Cardio: 22 mins on stepper, some high intensity avg hbpm 144, 255 cals burnt
Cals: 2681.9 - 40.9%
Carbs: 201.5 - 30%
Fats: 86.7% - 29.1%
Felt good today, PR on behind neck press I think at 235 lbs.
10-27-2010, 07:00 AM
1st day doing 2/2 Erase and AT2! I may have a slight headache. Gonna try sucking down some water. Will be doing 2/2 in AM and 1/1 in PM....did the PM 1/1 at 2pm as planned.
So far I noticed the water weight from the weekend just poured outta me! I was...ummmm 203.5 Monday morning and this morning already back down to 197.5 lbs. Which is the lightest I have been in gawd....years. haha.
Did some core and easy cardio today.
Looking like about 2500 cals atm. Will calculate tomorrow.
I've wanted to try out MMA again for sometime and was a goal of mine when I first started working on losing weight from 280 lbs. I feel pretty good, but I am older now so not sure how much I will be able to get into it. Try to get my son into it too. Hes not very aggressive at all so this may be something he could use!
10-27-2010, 06:42 PM
Thinking of try EC with this stack on Monday. Could use appetite suppression for like 3ish weeks. Thoughts from anyone? Curious when I should does along with this stack.
10-27-2010, 07:31 PM
10-28-2010, 07:24 AM
Think I am gonna try the EC starting today. I will prob stagger it with Erase and AT2 a bit. It helped me not eat as much last time. (thx rosie!)
Got 2/2 this morning. Feeling ok....def gives me a lil energy kick.
I ate a bit much last night dinner (cals still 2500) so weight at 199 lbs. Just came back from some easy cardio and my body said feed me! Had to fight it off a bit. See if I can lose the water weight for tomorrow. Had a goal of 196.5 lbs for this weekend! Esp with Halloween weekend! argh!
Legs and calves on the agenda today. prob skip cardio, or just 15 mins walking.
10-28-2010, 08:41 AM
10-29-2010, 12:37 PM
today so far took 2/2 erase/AT2 about 545 am. At 1 pm i took a black and about 130 pm here I am taking the other 1/1 then eating pre workout meal at 2pm.
today is chest and tris...but going to try some superset or this QBM from ergogenix. not sure yet. I may work on going real heavy on BB presses and superset with DB presses instead.
I checked out a MMA place yesterday....very excited should be awesome for conditioning. They got a couple strength and conditioning classes, judo, bjj, mma and boxing. looks great and a good price! This was a goal of mine last year...wanted to be able to take some sort of MMA. I hope being over 80 lbs lighter I can now do it!
Here is what I did yesterday:
4 mins bike.
Free weight leg press: WUx2, 495x15, 585x11, 675x6x6, 585x10
Smith machine squat: WUx1, 185x15, 225x12, 275x10, 315x6
Seated leg curl: 120x16, 130x12, 140x10, 150x9
Leg ext: 150x14, 160x12, 170x10
Rotary calf machine: Wux1, single leg; 70x16, 85x15, 100x14, double leg toes out, 175x16, toes in, 175x15
1 hr 10 mins, 750 cals burnt
No cardio today.
pro: 226.9 - 39.6%
carbs: 179.8 - 31.44%
fats: 73.5 - 29%
Carbs lil bit higher then what i wanted
11-01-2010, 05:11 AM
Not a ton to update from past weekend, still dosing 3 per day of each. Halloween weekend did me in diet wise so will be doing damage control this week.
I am going to reduce cals a bit to about 2200 for approx 2 weeks and see where it gets me.
11-02-2010, 07:14 AM
Got my 3/3 Erase/AT2 in yesterday. Waiting for something to kick in...if anything does or will. Also been taking my IGF-2 in AM and PM...totaling 8 per day.
This past weekend I had a good amount of halloween candy....boooo. lol. Gotta get back down to the lbs I was ate before the big cheat weekend.
Below workout and macros from yesterday. Went lower on cals/carbs to shed some water.
Today was delts, traps, cardio.
Warmups - 5 mins
Smith machine, behind neck press: Wux3, 185x9, 205x6, 225x4, 185x7
DB press: 60sx14x11
Front plate laterals SS w/ side DB laterals: 45x16 SS 20x12, 45x15 SS 20x10, 45x15 SS 17.5sx12
Face pulls: 80x16, 90x10, 80x12, 70x12
Smith machine shrugs: WUx2, 225x20, 275x10x10, 225x16
DB shrugs: 60sx35x30
1 hr, 680 cals
walking @ lunch, 25 mins, est cals 100
walking treadmill, incline avg 2.6 mpg, incline, 189 cals.
Protein: 267 - 45.2%
Carbs: 120.8 - 20.5%
Fats: 90.1% - 34.3%
Good lower day. Gonna be tough trying to get carbs under 100g.
Delts feeling good. Got some cardio stuff tomorrow at MMA, condition for an hour! Looking forward to it!
11-02-2010, 06:54 PM
hey im new to all this supplement stuff and i havnt herd a lot about this at2 so i just have a few questions about starting a stack with oep. i started 3 weeks ago with just oep, first two days taking one in the am then one in the pm. now im taking two in the am and one in the pm. and honestly i must be very insensitive to stims because i dont feel to much of a difference.... so i decided to order the at2/oep stack. it came in mail this morning and i plan on taking it tomorrow so i was just wondering if i should take 1-at2 and one-oep in the am then one more of each in the pm... or should i continue to take 2 oep in the am and one in the pm but just ad one cap of at2 in the am and pm? or since im not stim sensitive should i just be a badass and take 2-at2 and 2-oep in the am followed by one of each in the pm? any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!
11-02-2010, 08:12 PM
Any effects on your Libido?
11-02-2010, 08:30 PM
I took OEP too, 1 bottle, mostly I feel it helped me not want to eat.
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