KLEEN - The PCT Plan w/ CEL PCT Assist & Suppress C (Sponsored)

[MrKleen73]

First a Big Thanks to CEL for allowing me to run a few of their products for PCT.

Starting weight 204.5 14.5 lbs up from start of run. The Goal: Keep as much mass as possible without gaining excess fat during PCT.

SERM C = 200mg day 1, afterwards 100mg daily 1st week, 75 mg week 2, then 50 mg daily 2-3 weeks depending on recovery. I read that us guys over 35 sometimes take a little more prodding to recover fully so going to use a little higher dose than i see used during the second week as long as I don't start getting sides. I won't really be getting too into this part of it guys so don't ask too many questions here… Just a statement of this is being used and these are the planned doses. This will be in supplement log section and that is what I am concentrating the log on.

CEL PCT Assist will be taken as directed once it arrives.
CEL Suppress C will be taken starting this Saturday runing 100 mg, daily first week, then 50 mg daily for another week or two. WIll be watching how the joints feel since this is strong enough per Aaeleal that the joints can be effected quickly.
CEL Cycle Assist, I am finishing up a bottle of this then will move to the supplement below.
Purus Labs Organ Shield - Just to help with returning cholestrol and the rest of my values back to normal. Some of the things used in PCT are still not great for the liver and have other effects I might as well keep corrected through out PCT.
LG Ghenerate
LG IGH-1
LG BC+EAA


Other Supps
Currently taking 1 T911 in morning and 4 Formadrol in evening while waiting for the CEL stuff to arrive. I will still be using BCAA's and Glutamine, need to reorder some right now. I am more than likely ordering some TCF-1 and having shipped rush. I figure might as well put some of the extra cholestral I got floating around to good use as testosterone. Short of this will be using AS-GT again now that I can probably use some Estro control. Also using my Postal and Perfect Carb around workouts. GDA's will be taken to mimic the Glut 4 reaction I had going on with the DMZ and carbs will be higher during the week with not as extreme carb ups on weekends. As usual fishies, CLA, Glucosomine & GSM, multivitamins and other support supps will be taken as well.

Diet Plan -
Macros will vary as I do my best to keep body weight up while not allowing myself to get fat. I expect to gain a couple lbs of fat while trying to maintain the muscle but am planning for a "Kleen up" just after PCT. However I plan to stay as clean as I can so I am not dieting my arse off to get lean again. I will play with carb levels and see what I can get away with however they will vary from 100-200 grams a day with some days as much as 600 on occasion. I could simply keep doing the Ultimate Diet 2.0 but it is getting old already forcing that many carbs all at once during the weekend. So as far as carbs are considered I am thinking of more of Monday 100, Tuesday 200, Wednesday 100, Thursday 200, Friday 100
and a 600 gram load Saturday and 300 gram Sunday. I will play with it from there. That is only the carbs I am counting by the way not what is in my grapefruit or my almonds.

The Training Split -
Will be performed for 3 weight workouts per week. Every other week either push or pull gets hit twice. Weight days will be Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. I may add in one isolation move per body part as a burnout, or a stripset here and there depending on how I am feeling. I will do cardio on Monday, Wednesday and Fridays and will do some walking and what not at lunch when permissable. I will probably try to control fat with cardio instead of calories. I want my body to feel it is being fed, and just burn off what is not needed. The fact I will hit a little legs on both workout days will keep the energy expenditure pretty high for both weight workouts as well as naturally stimulating a testosterone release with each workout.

Push: 5x5 3-0-1 tempo
Chest -HS Chest press
Shoulder -HS SHoulder Press
Triceps - Dips
Quads - Squats - A2G High on traps

Pull: 5x5 3-0-1 tempo
Back Width - High Rows
Back Thickness - Seated Cable Rows
Biceps - Preacher Curls
Hamstrings - Dead Lifts

Current measurements:
Thigh 25 3/8
Waist just above navel - 33 1/3
Arms relaxed 15 3/4 inch, Flexed 17 3/8 inch
Chest 47.5

Current Pics -

[MrKleen73]

Whatever I put here.

[Coolazice]

Subbed!

[10bathroomsO]

ill be in

[Silver3CSRT8]

in. what happened to the other log?

[MrKleen73]

Subbed!

ill be in

in. what happened to the other log?

Hey guys already in here good deal.

Silver, I had planned to run my DMZ log up until this one got started but it was deleted the "Log between logs" will be kept alive and I will put stuff there when not logging something specific for someone as well as current pics of me and what not. Just kind of a home base... but this one is being sponsored by CEL.

[TheOne310]

clomid dose is way too high. if u wish to run 100mg do so for 10 days and taper down each 10 days by 25. you could just run 50mg and be g2g. the front loading crap is just broscience.

my recommendation would be to run Tcf AFTER 4 weeks of clomid use. the reason is it will raise your test levels that have already been raised due to the clomid. you'll see better results from the tcf that way instead of going overkill with everything in the beginning.

another good cholesterol and liver cleaning supp that would be good if u have around are insulin mimetics, eg. glycobol, recompadrol, etc.

[oufinny]

In for Kleening up after the DMZ!

[MrKleen73]

clomid dose is way too high. if u wish to run 100mg do so for 10 days and taper down each 10 days by 25. you could just run 50mg and be g2g. the front loading crap is just broscience.

my recommendation would be to run Tcf AFTER 4 weeks of clomid use. the reason is it will raise your test levels that have already been raised due to the clomid. you'll see better results from the tcf that way instead of going overkill with everything in the beginning.

another good cholesterol and liver cleaning supp that would be good if u have around are insulin mimetics, eg. glycobol, recompadrol, etc.

Thanks but I think you misread my post regarding Clomid your recommended doses are very close and actually add up higher than mine are...
I have Day 1 = 200 MG, Days 2-7 100mg, Days 8-14 75 mg, Day 14-28 50mg
800mg + 525mg + 700mg = 2025mg total
You have Day 1-10 100mg, Days 11-20 75 mg, Days 21-30 50mg
1000mg, + 750mg + 500mg = 2250mg total

We end up being very close to the same totals. Did you think I was running the 200 mg for the entire first week? Is there any reason to go beyond 30 days, I assume maybe if the boys are not back in full force by then and if so would you recommend then running it at 25 mg for another week or continuing at 50 mg? I read some older guys require a little longer and higher doses to get fully back into the swing of things.

As far as insulin mimetics I mentioned them earlier but as GDA's or glucose disposal agents. I did not realize that they had a positive effect on cleaning the liver. I know they effect BP, and Cholesterol levels via lessening overall insulin which in turn lowers those two factors but is there another reason? I had not heard that regarding the liver so very interested.

[VolcomX311]

Submarine.

[DreamWeaver]

Submarine.

Yellow submarine...

[Tomahawk88]

Lets see u keep all those gains from ur cycle big guy.

[TheOne310]

I said "if". I personally run 50mg for 4 weeks and recover perfectly. I use a 6 week pct for cycles longer than 6 weeks.

its up to your money and broscience. half life is 5-7 days and peak plasma levels aren't sustained within hours so its pointless IMO.

[edwitt]

Present and correct,

Looks solid just like you

[TheOne310]

my apologies... here is the dosing scheme:

100 for 10, 50 for remainder. you can taper but u don't need to. up to u.
mistyped.

[MrKleen73]

Submarine.

Yellow submarine...

Lets see u keep all those gains from ur cycle big guy.

Glad you guys are here and Tom, I would love that for sure. Not really sure what to expect.

I said "if". I personally run 50mg for 4 weeks and recover perfectly. I use a 6 week pct for cycles longer than 6 weeks.

its up to your money and broscience. half life is 5-7 days and peak plasma levels aren't sustained within hours so its pointless IMO.

Man ain't it a bitch to find any hard science answers behind this stuff. Not challenging your knowledge but curious how many cycles / PCT have you done? Have you done them different ways and not seen any difference in recovery?

Present and correct,

Looks solid just like you

Gracias, glad you are here Brother!

my apologies... here is the dosing scheme:

100 for 10, 50 for remainder. you can taper but u don't need to. up to u.
mistyped.

This actually looks closer to my original plan which was 1 week at 100 and the rest at 50. I guess I can go with that and if I need more to get the job done just go longer. However sounds like 4 weeks should probably do the trick since the cycle was only 4 weeks. Maybe I can keep the moodiness at bay going with lower dosing which would be great. Thanks One, I will give that a shot and see how it works!

[TheOne310]

I've done a handful of cycles. blood work will tell u if u need to use
more clomid. I highly suggest bloodwork especially from compounds this heavy.

my most recent cycle if SD went very well but after taking bloods 2 weeks after PCT my LH was still in the sh*tter. test was "decent" (404). I ran clomid at 50mg for 2 more weeks alongside Pink Magic and LH fully restored actually surpassing precycle numbers along with test more than doubling (856). I will always use a test booster after PCT now after seeing those blood results.

[MrKleen73]

I've done a handful of cycles. blood work will tell u if u need to use
more clomid. I highly suggest bloodwork especially from compounds this heavy.

my most recent cycle if SD went very well but after taking bloods 2 weeks after PCT my LH was still in the sh*tter. test was "decent" (404). I ran clomid at 50mg for 2 more weeks alongside Pink Magic and LH fully restored actually surpassing precycle numbers along with test more than doubling (856). I will always use a test booster after PCT now after seeing those blood results.

Very nice! I do believe I will get my bloods done as well so I can see where my levels are once I finish PCT. I have actually been holding off on my labs for after PCT to make sure I am in good ranges. Do you think it matters whether or not you wait for the Clomid to clear you bloodstream before getting tested?

[TheOne310]

clomid metabolites can stay in your system for 6-8 weeks. best is to wait 2 weeks after PCT then get tested since your body won't be relying on an endogenous source of LH boosting. it would also be around 12-14 day where u have that test spike from DAA

[Aaelael]

I'm a subdissled baby!!! MUHAHAH BIG UPS FOR CEL BABY!! muhahah