KLEEN - The PCT Plan w/ CEL PCT Assist & Suppress C (Sponsored)
- 09-20-2010, 01:20 PM
KLEEN - The PCT Plan w/ CEL PCT Assist & Suppress C (Sponsored)
First a Big Thanks to CEL for allowing me to run a few of their products for PCT.
Starting weight 204.5 14.5 lbs up from start of run. The Goal: Keep as much mass as possible without gaining excess fat during PCT.
SERM C = 200mg day 1, afterwards 100mg daily 1st week, 75 mg week 2, then 50 mg daily 2-3 weeks depending on recovery. I read that us guys over 35 sometimes take a little more prodding to recover fully so going to use a little higher dose than i see used during the second week as long as I don't start getting sides. I won't really be getting too into this part of it guys so don't ask too many questions here… Just a statement of this is being used and these are the planned doses. This will be in supplement log section and that is what I am concentrating the log on.
CEL PCT Assist will be taken as directed once it arrives.
CEL Suppress C will be taken starting this Saturday runing 100 mg, daily first week, then 50 mg daily for another week or two. WIll be watching how the joints feel since this is strong enough per Aaeleal that the joints can be effected quickly.
CEL Cycle Assist, I am finishing up a bottle of this then will move to the supplement below.
Purus Labs Organ Shield - Just to help with returning cholestrol and the rest of my values back to normal. Some of the things used in PCT are still not great for the liver and have other effects I might as well keep corrected through out PCT.
Currently taking 1 T911 in morning and 4 Formadrol in evening while waiting for the CEL stuff to arrive. I will still be using BCAA's and Glutamine, need to reorder some right now. I am more than likely ordering some TCF-1 and having shipped rush. I figure might as well put some of the extra cholestral I got floating around to good use as testosterone. Short of this will be using AS-GT again now that I can probably use some Estro control. Also using my Postal and Perfect Carb around workouts. GDA's will be taken to mimic the Glut 4 reaction I had going on with the DMZ and carbs will be higher during the week with not as extreme carb ups on weekends. As usual fishies, CLA, Glucosomine & GSM, multivitamins and other support supps will be taken as well.
Diet Plan -
Macros will vary as I do my best to keep body weight up while not allowing myself to get fat. I expect to gain a couple lbs of fat while trying to maintain the muscle but am planning for a "Kleen up" just after PCT. However I plan to stay as clean as I can so I am not dieting my arse off to get lean again. I will play with carb levels and see what I can get away with however they will vary from 100-200 grams a day with some days as much as 600 on occasion. I could simply keep doing the Ultimate Diet 2.0 but it is getting old already forcing that many carbs all at once during the weekend. So as far as carbs are considered I am thinking of more of Monday 100, Tuesday 200, Wednesday 100, Thursday 200, Friday 100
and a 600 gram load Saturday and 300 gram Sunday. I will play with it from there. That is only the carbs I am counting by the way not what is in my grapefruit or my almonds.
The Training Split -
Will be performed for 3 weight workouts per week. Every other week either push or pull gets hit twice. Weight days will be Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. I may add in one isolation move per body part as a burnout, or a stripset here and there depending on how I am feeling. I will do cardio on Monday, Wednesday and Fridays and will do some walking and what not at lunch when permissable. I will probably try to control fat with cardio instead of calories. I want my body to feel it is being fed, and just burn off what is not needed. The fact I will hit a little legs on both workout days will keep the energy expenditure pretty high for both weight workouts as well as naturally stimulating a testosterone release with each workout.
Push: 5x5 3-0-1 tempo
Chest -HS Chest press
Shoulder -HS SHoulder Press
Triceps - Dips
Quads - Squats - A2G High on traps
Pull: 5x5 3-0-1 tempo
Back Width - High Rows
Back Thickness - Seated Cable Rows
Biceps - Preacher Curls
Hamstrings - Dead Lifts
Thigh 25 3/8
Waist just above navel - 33 1/3
Arms relaxed 15 3/4 inch, Flexed 17 3/8 inch
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- 09-20-2010, 01:23 PM
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- 09-20-2010, 01:44 PM
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09-20-2010, 01:51 PM
09-20-2010, 02:00 PM
Silver, I had planned to run my DMZ log up until this one got started but it was deleted the "Log between logs" will be kept alive and I will put stuff there when not logging something specific for someone as well as current pics of me and what not. Just kind of a home base... but this one is being sponsored by CEL.
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09-20-2010, 02:16 PM
clomid dose is way too high. if u wish to run 100mg do so for 10 days and taper down each 10 days by 25. you could just run 50mg and be g2g. the front loading crap is just broscience.
my recommendation would be to run Tcf AFTER 4 weeks of clomid use. the reason is it will raise your test levels that have already been raised due to the clomid. you'll see better results from the tcf that way instead of going overkill with everything in the beginning.
another good cholesterol and liver cleaning supp that would be good if u have around are insulin mimetics, eg. glycobol, recompadrol, etc.
09-20-2010, 02:20 PM
In for Kleening up after the DMZ!
If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).
09-20-2010, 02:39 PM
I have Day 1 = 200 MG, Days 2-7 100mg, Days 8-14 75 mg, Day 14-28 50mg
800mg + 525mg + 700mg = 2025mg total
You have Day 1-10 100mg, Days 11-20 75 mg, Days 21-30 50mg
1000mg, + 750mg + 500mg = 2250mg total
We end up being very close to the same totals. Did you think I was running the 200 mg for the entire first week? Is there any reason to go beyond 30 days, I assume maybe if the boys are not back in full force by then and if so would you recommend then running it at 25 mg for another week or continuing at 50 mg? I read some older guys require a little longer and higher doses to get fully back into the swing of things.
As far as insulin mimetics I mentioned them earlier but as GDA's or glucose disposal agents. I did not realize that they had a positive effect on cleaning the liver. I know they effect BP, and Cholesterol levels via lessening overall insulin which in turn lowers those two factors but is there another reason? I had not heard that regarding the liver so very interested.
09-20-2010, 02:52 PM
09-20-2010, 02:53 PM
09-20-2010, 02:55 PM
09-20-2010, 03:34 PM
I said "if". I personally run 50mg for 4 weeks and recover perfectly. I use a 6 week pct for cycles longer than 6 weeks.
its up to your money and broscience. half life is 5-7 days and peak plasma levels aren't sustained within hours so its pointless IMO.
09-20-2010, 03:47 PM
09-20-2010, 03:47 PM
my apologies... here is the dosing scheme:
100 for 10, 50 for remainder. you can taper but u don't need to. up to u.
09-20-2010, 04:21 PM
09-20-2010, 05:05 PM
I've done a handful of cycles. blood work will tell u if u need to use
more clomid. I highly suggest bloodwork especially from compounds this heavy.
my most recent cycle if SD went very well but after taking bloods 2 weeks after PCT my LH was still in the sh*tter. test was "decent" (404). I ran clomid at 50mg for 2 more weeks alongside Pink Magic and LH fully restored actually surpassing precycle numbers along with test more than doubling (856). I will always use a test booster after PCT now after seeing those blood results.
09-20-2010, 05:20 PM
09-20-2010, 07:22 PM
clomid metabolites can stay in your system for 6-8 weeks. best is to wait 2 weeks after PCT then get tested since your body won't be relying on an endogenous source of LH boosting. it would also be around 12-14 day where u have that test spike from DAA
09-20-2010, 09:23 PM
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09-20-2010, 11:08 PM
In. Diet , sleep, naps plays a crucial role here along with the natural anabolic s which you have vast knowledge of.
I always take two weeks off(sometimes up to a month) on pct either light training or none at all. why a lot of injuries happen in PCT in my opinion is testosterone(and estrogen) levels are low and that makes it easier to get an injury when training super hard to try and keep them cycle gains.
With a four week cycle you most likely will bounce back in four weeks. to be real sure you can always get blood work after pct to see where your free/total test levels fall, and everything else falls. Goodluck in PCT my friend
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09-21-2010, 09:44 AM
09-21-2010, 09:52 AM
09-21-2010, 11:33 AM
a month off of training on PCT, how do u like ur breasts? that is advice I would advise NOT following. u have to have some intensity in PCT to keep any LBM or strength gains. my PCT's are just as fun if not MORE fun than my cycles sometimes. BB is a head game, you've gotta try not to let it get to you.
09-21-2010, 02:08 PM
09-21-2010, 02:14 PM
PCT Day 5 - Push Day
Push Day 9-21-10
Feeling a little sluggish the last few days. Just not quite as motivated to get in the game so to speak. I know this has to do with my test being low but it is quite a difference from feeling all Alpha to just feeling like I need to do what I need to do because well... It is what is needed. Yeah you can hear the excitement in my voice eh? Well that has been the basic mood as of late just kind of bleh. Not unhappy, just not my usual self either.
That being said when it came time to turn it on in the gym this morning once I drug my ass out of bed and took my ASGT and Jack3d I was ready to hit the lifting with a little more intensity. Once I got into the lift it was a great lift and I enjoyed it. I am being really careful right now with my shoulder. It is a balancing act keeping myself from totally overdoing it at a time where overdoing it is what is required if I donít want to lose much of this muscle.
Push Day 3-0-1 rep tempo, and rest got shorter as workout went on. I may cut one or two sets off and instead do a strip set to save some time but for now I got it all done in an hour.
HS Wide Chest Press - 70x5, 115x5, 135x5, 145x5, 150x5, last two sets were a lot of work. I really like the contraction I get from this machine going to stay with this for a little bit. It reminds me of a combination between the Decline Press and a Cable crossover. Basically allowing for heavier weight to be used than can safely be done with cables due to added stability. My pecs were contracting so tight I could literally feel the fibers cinch down. That is a quality contraction.
HS Shoulder Press - 45x5, 95x5, 100x5, 105x5, 110x5 This was not overly hard but all I feel I could do safely. Really watching the shoulder on anything involving well the shoulder... LOL
Dips - BWx5, 20x5, 20x5, 25x5, 25x5 man that slow tempo really kicks your arse on this one. Could be all of the pushing I had already done as well.
Hack Squats - 225x5, 315x5, 365x5, 405x5, 425x3 I started to do regular squats but my shoulder was a little achy when I got under the bar so I decided to do some Hacks instead. My feet were relatively low on platform to really hit quads well. I went very deep, my calves would touch my hamstrings in the bottom. I failed at 3 reps with 425 but man those 3 second negatives were killing me. I think I was only doing 405x5 before on a regular tempo so that is pretty good improvement.
It is raining pretty good outside so I am probably going to wait and go walking in the downtown tunnels later for my lunch. Just wait it out a bit so the rest of the actual lunch people arenít milling around down there first.
Libido has not all gone away yet but I am sure that is coming. At least it is well timed my wife is out of commission for 2.5 more weeks so I should be recovered about the time she is ready for me. My testes are small at this point like half normal size so being shut down is not even a question. I have not gotten "bitchy" or emotional yet from the C but I was in a mood last night over something. LOL Things just annoying me a little.
09-21-2010, 02:30 PM
in regards to clomid half life, elimination from the body is totally different. bu saying metabolites can stay with you for up to 8 weeks it simply means some will still be at your estro receptor site. it won't be doing it's MOA since it would be zuclomiphene at that point. drugs stay with us even after they are flushed from the body. it's confusing somewhat but the one has some good advice.
09-21-2010, 02:31 PM
Sucks about your mood man, hopfully the clomid will kick you back to normal soon enough.
You like ASGT/Jack3d? I was thinking about trying it.
09-21-2010, 03:04 PM
I do like AS-GT Jack3d as a combo, it is one of my favorite combos actually. I don't get up early enough to take them separately so I take 1-1.5 scoop of ASGT and 1-1.5 scoops Jack3d when i wake up then get dressed and am at the gym on the workout floor within about 25 minutes of taking them. I get great workouts and pumps. Now on the weekend I take my ASGT 45-60 minute before the workout and then Jack3d 15 minutes before my lift. Sick energy and pumps both ways, but I do notice a little bit more aggression at the gym when I can take the ASGT a little earlier.
Interesting thought for others to comment on. I saw someone mentioning the other day they though something like Testopro might hurt a pct because it raises free test. The persons thought process was that serum levels may never reach normal, or high normal due to such a high level of free test being available the body may decide there is no need to continue production. Although this seems like it could happen in some ways. It also goes against what we know about it as a Test Booster, that both serum and free levels were affected positively on the bloods I have seen with Testopro. With other SERMS telling the body to produce the LH I see no reason why Testopro would not be a great product to use in a PCT, more to the point perhaps on the end of one where it can free up all that new test to be used as well as the I3C modulating Estro. Anyone have any thoughts on this.
09-21-2010, 03:26 PM
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