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    I'm now an LG rep, so let's kick off the festivities! Instead of putting up a log for a specific product, I'll be phasing products in and out as this progresses, or stacking them. As some of you may know, I lift to aid my pursuit of progress in judo and BJJ, so I will be putting products through a slightly different wringer than the norm here.

    First off will be ASGT. No introduction needed there, it's reputation FAR precedes this log. I am very interested in seeing how it performs from a fight standpoint, as opposed to just lifting.

    So far I did one BJJ class on it, and this mornings workout. First impressions:

    Energy - totally caught me off guard. I know approximately how much caffeine it has, and expected something else. It creeps up slow, and lingers LONG. Like all day long. At no point have there been jitters. I did crash after the first dose, like 17 hours later.

    Strength - too early to tell, but todays workout was very good. I have been on creatine for the last month, so I am already fully saturated, creatine-wise.

    Pumps - undetermined as of yet, due to stacking with the last of the GB.




    Let's take a peak at one of ASGT's ingredients, ellagic acid (from the LG write-up):

    Ellagic Acid, has an interesting study that shows it to act like the popular post cycle therapy product Nolvadex (R) by blocking estrogen at the cellular level. This gives the body the signal to produce more testosterone, which is a great thing for the serious bodybuilder.
    Let's see what else it may do.

    Ellagic acid and quercetin interact synergistically with resveratrol in the induction of apoptosis and cause transient cell cycle arrest in human leukemia cells.
    Mertens-Talcott SU, Percival SS.

    Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition, Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences, University of Florida, P.O. Box 110370, Gainesville, FL 32611-0370, USA.

    Abstract
    Anticarcinogenic effects of polyphenolic compounds in fruits and vegetables are well established. Although polyphenols naturally occur as combinations, little information is available regarding possible synergistic or antagonistic biochemical interactions between compounds. Identifying potential interactions between polyphenols may provide information regarding the efficiency of polyphenol-containing foods in cancer prevention. The objective of this study was to investigate the interactions of ellagic acid and quercetin with resveratrol, polyphenols which occur in muscadine grapes, with the hypothesis that the selected polyphenols would interact synergistically in the induction of apoptosis and reduction of cell growth in human leukemia cells (MOLT-4). To test this hypothesis, alterations in cell cycle kinetics, proliferation, and apoptosis (caspase-3 activity) were examined after incubation with ellagic acid, quercetin, and resveratrol as single compounds and in combination. Results showed a more than additive interaction for the combination of ellagic acid with resveratrol and furthermore, significant alterations in cell cycle kinetics induced by single compounds and combinations were observed. An isobolographic analysis was performed to assess the apparent synergistic interaction for the combinations of ellagic acid with resveratrol and quercetin with resveratrol in the induction of caspase 3 activity, confirming a synergistic interaction with a combination index of 0.64 for the combination of ellagic acid and resveratrol and 0.68 for quercetin and resveratrol. Results indicate that the anticarcinogenic potential of foods containing polyphenols may not be based on the effects of individual compounds, but may involve a synergistic enhancement of the anticancer effects.

    PMID: 15670891 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
    Ellagic acid potentiates the effect of quercetin on p21waf1/cip1, p53, and MAP-kinases without affecting intracellular generation of reactive oxygen species in vitro.
    Mertens-Talcott SU, Bomser JA, Romero C, Talcott ST, Percival SS.

    Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition, Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences, University of Florida, Gainesville, FL 32611-0370, USA.

    Abstract
    Anticarcinogenic effects attributed to polyphenols in fruits may be based on synergistic, additive, or antagonistic interactions of many compounds. In a previous study, it was demonstrated that quercetin and ellagic acid interacted synergistically in the induction of apoptosis in the human leukemia cell line, MOLT-4. To investigate possible cellular mechanisms, this study evaluated whether synergistic effects might be detectable within proapoptotic or antiproliferative signal transduction pathways. We found that quercetin and combinations of quercetin and ellagic acid nonsynergistically increased p53 protein levels. In contrast, ellagic acid potentiated the effects of quercetin for p21(cip1/waf1) protein levels and p53 phosphorylation at serine 15, possibly explaining the synergistic effect observed in apoptosis induction. Phosphorylation of the mitogen-activated protein (MAP) kinases, c-jun N-terminal (JNK)1,2 and p38, was also increased by the combination of ellagic acid and quercetin, whereas quercetin alone induced only p38. We further evaluated whether the generation of reactive oxygen species (ROS) and/or quercetin stability were influenced by interactions of ellagic acid with quercetin. Quercetin increased the generation of ROS, which was neither potentiated nor inhibited by ellagic acid. The stability of intracellular and extracellular quercetin was not influenced by the presence of ellagic acid. In summary, quercetin and ellagic acid combined increase the activation of p53 and p21(cip1/waf1) and the MAP kinases, JNK1,2 and p38, in a more than additive manner, suggesting a mechanism by which quercetin and ellagic acid synergistically induce apoptosis in cancer cells.

    PMID: 15735102 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Free Article
    Interesting, because ASGT contains all three substances mentioned above.

    Evaluation of estrogenic/antiestrogenic activity of ellagic acid via the estrogen receptor subtypes ERalpha and ERbeta.Papoutsi Z, Kassi E, Tsiapara A, Fokialakis N, Chrousos GP, Moutsatsou P.
    Department of Biological Chemistry, Medical School, University of Athens Mikras Asias Str 75, Goudi, Athens 11527, Greece.

    Ellagic acid is a plant-derived polyphenol, possessing antioxidant, antiproliferative, and antiatherogenic properties. Whether this compound has estrogenic/antiestrogenic activity, however, remains largely unknown. To answer this question, we first investigated the ability of ellagic acid to influence the activity of the estrogen receptor subtypes ERalpha and ERbeta in HeLa cells. Cells co-transfected with an estrogen response element (ERE)-driven luciferase (Luc) reporter gene and an ERalpha- or ERbeta-expression vector were exposed to graded concentrations of ellagic acid. At low concentrations (10(-7) to 10(-9) M), this compound displayed a small but significant estrogenic activity via ERalpha, whereas it was a complete estrogen antagonist via ERbeta. Further evaluation revealed that ellagic acid was a potent antiestrogen in MCF-7 breast cancer-derived cells, increasing, like the pure estrogen antagonist ICI182780, IGFBP-3 levels. Moreover, ellagic acid induced nodule mineralization in an osteoblastic cell line (KS483), an effect that was abolished by the estrogen antagonist. Endometrium-derived epithelial cells (Ishikawa) showed no response to the natural compound by using a cell viability assay (MTT). These findings suggest that ellagic acid may be a natural selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM).

    Pretty sweet!

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    That ASGT is something else in terms of that long lasting boost. It's like The Cranberries. And no, I won't link the song because I actually like owning a Man Card and I don't want that taken away.
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    It does indeed last, and last, and last. Pretty freakin cool! Hey, I got your back on the Cranberry bit, Zombie really reminds me of my basic training in the idf, it was the hit song at the time.
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    congrats on the LG gig, curious to see you run some of this stuff from the grappling perspective.
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    in for a poison log-congrats on your new gig, bud.


    for staying power got to go with ozzy-i can't believe that guy is still alive, let alone still cutting records. now that is staying power, lol.


    btw-asgt fan here!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by emiliozapata View Post
    congrats on the LG gig, curious to see you run some of this stuff from the grappling perspective.
    Thanks! I'm interested, as well. So far ASGT doesn't appear to have any negative effect on cardio (not that it should, it has no yohimbe or geranium), and the aggression is nice. Follow along!

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    in for a poison log-congrats on your new gig, bud.


    for staying power got to go with ozzy-i can't believe that guy is still alive, let alone still cutting records. now that is staying power, lol.


    btw-asgt fan here!!!
    Thanks, brother!

    I did security for ozzy for a couple years, when they were doing their MTV show. Crazy family, but the most fun I ever had at work. Ozzy's a great guy.
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    ozzy-been a fan since the sabbath days. my wife says me and ozzy are a lot alike-we are both married to women who saved us from our destructive ways.

    great gig working for oz-bet that was a blast.
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    LOL it seems like im the only one not becoming a rep for a company
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    congrats though
    see you guys later im gonna go into a deep depression state
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    ozzy-been a fan since the sabbath days. my wife says me and ozzy are a lot alike-we are both married to women who saved us from our destructive ways.

    great gig working for oz-bet that was a blast.
    It was GREAT. Lots of crazy stories and good fun. The show was enormously censored, for the minors sake's. You have no idea. Ozzy is a seriously nice dude, so being like him is 100% in my book...minus the pills and blow, of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    congrats though
    see you guys later im gonna go into a deep depression state
    Dose some ASGT, turn it to anger, smash some weight!



    BTW, I'm considering dosing a half scoop of ASGT on off days for a bit, so the psarm and anti-estrogen effects will kick in quicker.
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    Thanks, RR!

    Two hour BJJ class this morning; no one else showed up, so it was private! We drilled side control, armbars/kimura from side, taking the mount from side, then cross choke from mount, arm triangle from mount, mount to S mount, etc. GREAT class.

    My school's head instructor:

    [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn62hal2Zhs&feature=pl ayer_embedded"]YouTube- Cross Choke from Mount | BJJ Techniques | Jiu-Jitsu Moves[/nomedia]


    ASGT felt GREAT this morning! Smooth clean energy and aggression. Great power and endurance. LOVELY!
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    i take a scoop on off days for the morning boost, and to keep creatine level high. but yeah, the test boost aint bad either-with the anti-aromatse included.
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    That's what I'm thinking, thebigt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    That's what I'm thinking, thebigt.
    hell-it's cheap enough-even for cheap azzes like us, lol.
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    Hey, I may be poor, but don't call me a cheapskate!

    I woke up this morning with my wife's laryngitis. Dammit! I may go do a weight workout.
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    Uh, now i have to step up and perform, MrBigPR's in here!

    Total aside:I just roasted a couple lbs of Organic Ethiopia Shakiso, and pulled an espresso shot straight out of the roaster. O...M...F...G! Wow!

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    move over joe-there's a new MR.COFFEE in town!!!
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    I had a great workout, but damn if that wasn't a bad idea. I feel like ass now, ugh, sore throat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    I had a great workout, but damn if that wasn't a bad idea. I feel like ass now, ugh, sore throat.
    I hope you feel better soon man, get some rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentBob187 View Post
    I hope you feel better soon man, get some rest.
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    Thanks guys! Fever, cold, sweating, cold, ugh.
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    dosing echinacea, yin chao, oregano oil, and elderberry, and feeling much better today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    dosing echinacea, yin chao, oregano oil, and elderberry, and feeling much better today.
    you take SAMe?
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    No, I never have. When I'm sick, my go-to herbs/products are:

    yin chiao for the first 24 hours, with echinacea
    Barlean's olive leaf extract
    elderberry extract/sambucol

    And oregano if it's really bad. Does SAMe help you?
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    Still recovering. Gym tonight. Went in and SMOKED it.

    alternating bench and low rows, +20lbs on each

    DL 50x135 straight

    curls and tri pressdowns.


    kick ass. Now I'm tired.
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    Finally feeling better. That last workout made me relapse, I felt horrible over the weekend. I did 50 pullups and 40 dips at the park today, got BJJ in the morning.
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    BJJ was AWESOME! The head instructor showed up, and brought a blue belt friend with him, and paired us up. I dominated him twice, and got good praise from the instructor. It felt really good, almost like a test that i passed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    No, I never have. When I'm sick, my go-to herbs/products are:

    yin chiao for the first 24 hours, with echinacea
    Barlean's olive leaf extract
    elderberry extract/sambucol

    And oregano if it's really bad. Does SAMe help you?
    yes!!! i highly recommend it. google it!!!
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