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    Primordial Performance Fat Loss Stack + Androhard (Sponsored) Log - OUFINNY Style


    First I would like to thank PP for choosing me to run this stack, it is quite a combo they put together and I look forward to trying out the FLS and even more so, Androhard. Here is a run down of what I am running:



    DermaTherm Target – This site specific cream releases stored fat anywhere you apply it, so you can control where your weight loss comes from. It sounds like a complete scam, but it’s not. The legitimacy of this cream is backed up by several human studies. (1-4) I used this product in my last 8-week cutting cycle and I contribute much of my increased abs definition from it. Results take about 6-8 weeks to become obvious. (1-4) Checkout the before and after pics at the bottom.

    CLA (Conjugated Linoleic Acid) – 100% naturally occurring fatty acid. Proven to reduce fat mass and prevent muscle loss from low calorie diets. (6-8) Our CLA is lab tested to contain the same isomers used in the human studies. Safe and proven. (6-8)

    Green Tea – Contains a clinically proven dose of EGCG to enhance fat loss 2x over your regular metabolic rate. (9-12) We use only the purest and highest quality green tea available in the world -- Sourced from India and 100% pesticide free. Ramp up the metabolism and improve health with this dual-action metabolic booster and anti-oxidant.

    Dosing will be as follows:



    The fun addition to the stack:



    AndroHard – This 100% natural steroid will enhance muscle hardness and vascularity without harsh side-effects. It is a pro-hormone to DHT (dihydrotestosterone). DHT is an ultra-powerful androgen that will shrink fat cells and eliminate water retention. AndroHard has no estrogen conversion and no risk of gyno. In fact, research suggests it may help reverse gyno. (13-16) A short 4-6 week cycle of AndroHard alone is minimally suppressive and does not require PCT.

    The additional supplements I am taking are as follows:
    LG AS-GT for pre-workout domination
    AppNut Black Cats - 1/1 for energy, appetite suppression
    NOW Super Omega - 4-6 pills a day
    NOW Adam - 2 each morning
    ALCAR - 2-3 grams pre-workout in AS-GT
    TruScience Beta Alanine - 3 grams at least once a day
    Various proteins
    LG Postal - Post workout nutrition
    LG Ghenerate - 6-7 sprays at night until I run out

    Yes there are a lot of "additions" BUT these are staples for me and I will know if there are changes and what is causing them. Black Cats don't work as a fat burner for me unless I dose them at 2/2 per day, at the diminished dose it just takes the edge off of my hunger and gets me going in the AM.

    Today is my first day of taking the FLS though I did not get a chance to apply the Dermatherm this morning, I will put it on later today most likely or maybe wait until tomorrow morning. Note, I do not have my CLA just yet, it will be added in once it arrives, PP was out and is sending as soon as they can, thanks guys!

    Goal of this run - Recomp and shed some stubborn midsection fat. I would like to stay between 180-184 pounds but lose about 4-6 pounds of fat if possible.

    Training routine breakdown: Warrior Workout a la MrKleen.
    This has proven to be an effective routine for cutting and maintaining strength. My body likes full body routines, they are easier on the joints, burn tons of fat and keep my metabolism red hot. Cardio will be done 2-3 times per week and will be HIIT swimming most likely with the occasional run thrown in depending on my schedule.

    Diet - This will be my biggest challenge I face that is why I am focusing on a recomp instead of a full on cut. I will try and keep my calories around 2600-2800 spread over 5 meals. The macro ratio I am shooting for is 50/25/25 and I will have at least one large carb refeed day per week. This has worked for me in the past and should continue to work. My carbs are going to be mainly taken in through fruit (AM), one large serving at lunch (oatmeal, beans) and some post workout in Postal. Outside of that all my carbs will be fibrous from vegetables and the trace ones in cottage cheese/almonds.

    That should be enough to get things started, any more changes will be documented in this post. Pictures will be taken in the next few days to give a baseline of where I am. Weight will be taken tomorrow in the AM and posted.

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    Final review:
    Starting weight ~190
    Finishing weight ~190

    Verdict: Recomp at its finest

    AndroHard thoughts:
    Strength/mass gains - 10/10 This is where it shined. Here are some highlights for you...
    Flat Bench - 205x8 --> 235x6
    Decline Bench - 225x8 -->265x8
    Hack/Front Squat machine - 540x8 -->630x8
    Machine shoulder press - 180x6-->210x8
    Saw leaning out in arms/shoulders and mass gains throughout my entire back and legs. Waste line stayed the same as well.

    Sides - 6.5/10 Initial issues with my prostate, solved very quickly with some saw palmetto I picked up at Vitamin Shoppe. If you are prone to issues, I suggest you pick something up and start it 7-14 days before to be safe. Acne was prolific and downright annoying starting week 3 all the way until the end. It was on face/back/chest and did not go away very easily. Slight back pumps doing bent over DB rows so I could not do those but that was the only instance and I could work around them with no problems.

    Anti-estrogen effects - 7/10 I did not drop a ton of water like I thought I would have in the mid section though my arms/legs did look mean after about 3 weeks for the duration. Vascularity was pretty off the chain after week 2 as well and continued to get better.

    Pumps - N/A I did not dose this pre-workout except a few times and I didn't notice any extra pumps from AH alone.

    Overall - 8/10 It is expensive and if dosed per the bottle, it is only 25 days worth so you really have to want it to justify the cost [then again, it is being discontinued so...]. Also, it may be an issue for those that have prostate sensitivity to hormonal compounds. I would recommend this if you are looking for a safe and effective PH that gives unreal strength gains even at a diminished dose like I took.

    Green Tea - 7/10 I did not notice any feelings from this product to be honest except I believe it did assist when I started ECA near the end with thermogenesis.

    CLA - Not present during this run

    Dermatherm Target Thoughts:
    Absorption/application - 8/10 Pleasant smell of cinnamon with minimal burning on sporadic occasions.

    Fat Loss - 5/10 Topicals really are hit or miss with me and this was the second time I ran DT-T with the same results. Yes I had some water retention but once I did my PCT with Erase I drop a good amount of water and my abs were not any bit leaner though I didn't gain fat either, hence the 5/10. If you respond to topicals, this may work very well for you but it did not for me.

    Water retention - 9/10 I held a lot of water around the midsection the whole time I used this. 1/10 would be no retention, this got a 9/10.

    Stim effects - N/A even though it contains theophyline. I could use this before bed and I would sleep fine (not that I did) so if you were to apply in later in the day you have nothing to worry about.

    Overall - 5.5/10 I did not gain any fat nor did I lose any. My diet was not perfect but I believe that there should have been some noticeable changes and I really did not see any.

    Overall Stack Rating - 7.5/10 I would recommend this to anyone just for the AndroHard alone though if you respond to non-stim fat burning products and/or topicals, this may work extremely well for you.

    PP I would like to thank you for the chance to run this and I enjoyed the 8 weeks I used them. It is a shame that AndroHard may be going away (hopefully not!), you have a winner there. I had high hopes for Dermatherm but I put myself in the non-responder category and don't believe that it is a problem with the product at all, the ingredients are sound as is your delivery system.
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    Thanks for the comments everyone, I am looking forward to this. I definitely got some kind of energy/mood boost from the Androhard this morning, about 20 minutes later I was on point and flying through my work. Still feeling great, can't wait to workout and see how that goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    you know I am in for this one Fin!!!! PP picked one of the best most thorough loggers for this one! That is one great stack my aquatic brother!!! let's get after this!!!!
    I must spread more reputation... thanks Major! The Androhard is pretty ridiculous, I cannot believe I felt it that fast. I can only imagine what it would be like at the full dose with two bottles... can you say Alpha????
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    Today was the first workout and things went extremely well; Androhard either worked REALLY well or it was major placebo effect. Either way, I am not complaining one bit.

    PWO Supps:
    3 mL Androhard (this will not be a normal dose time for me)
    1.25 scoops AS-GT
    1.5 scoops Ultima (Intra, this is the end of my Ultima)

    Workout:
    Leg Extensions - 175x8, 250x8, 250x8 ds 210x8 ds 170x8 Holy crap this BURNED!

    Decline Bench - 155x8, 205x8, 205x8 ds 175x8 ds 155x8 Felt very confident with this weight on all sets, first time in a while I repped this with perfect form for all sets.

    Overhead DB tri extension - 65x8, 100x8, 100x7.5 ds 70x8 ds 55x8 BURN!

    Machine Overhead Press - 100x8, 170x8, 170x8 ds 130x8 ds 100x8

    Seated Rows - 100x8, 150x8, 150x8 ds 120x8 ds 100x8 Major improvement here and done with no straps.

    Preacher Curls - 70x8, 95x6, 95x6 ds 70x6 ds 45x10

    Totally smoked after this and very happy with the weights being moved. After seated rows I was gassed and my biceps were saying uncle but still got some respectable numbers on preacher curls.

    Dermatherm notes - Applied this morning, no burning but skin turned red and have a warm feeling in my midsection since the application. Pleasant cinnamon smell that I remember from the last time I used it and when I was just out in the shop at work I was HOT all over my midsection.

    Androhard - Got the same mental boost this morning from it and it continues. I really like this aspect of it and can't be happier. Dosing will now be 7AM/7PM.

    Green tea - Nothing to note except the pills do not taste good, they need to go down right away but who cares, as long as it works.

    CLA - Will update once I receive it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Today was the first workout and things went extremely well; Androhard either worked REALLY well or it was major placebo effect. Either way, I am not complaining one bit.

    PWO Supps:
    3 mL Androhard (this will not be a normal dose time for me)
    1.25 scoops AS-GT
    1.5 scoops Ultima (Intra, this is the end of my Ultima)

    Workout:
    Leg Extensions - 175x8, 250x8, 250x8 ds 210x8 ds 170x8 Holy crap this BURNED!

    Decline Bench - 155x8, 205x8, 205x8 ds 175x8 ds 155x8 Felt very confident with this weight on all sets, first time in a while I repped this with perfect form for all sets.

    Overhead DB tri extension - 65x8, 100x8, 100x7.5 ds 70x8 ds 55x8 BURN!

    Machine Overhead Press - 100x8, 170x8, 170x8 ds 130x8 ds 100x8

    Seated Rows - 100x8, 150x8, 150x8 ds 120x8 ds 100x8 Major improvement here and done with no straps.

    Preacher Curls - 70x8, 95x6, 95x6 ds 70x6 ds 45x10

    Totally smoked after this and very happy with the weights being moved. After seated rows I was gassed and my biceps were saying uncle but still got some respectable numbers on preacher curls.

    Dermatherm notes - Applied this morning, no burning but skin turned red and have a warm feeling in my midsection since the application. Pleasant cinnamon smell that I remember from the last time I used it and when I was just out in the shop at work I was HOT all over my midsection.

    Androhard - Got the same mental boost this morning from it and it continues. I really like this aspect of it and can't be happier. Dosing will now be 7AM/7PM.

    Green tea - Nothing to note except the pills do not taste good, they need to go down right away but who cares, as long as it works.

    CLA - Will update once I receive it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Green tea - Nothing to note except the pills do not taste good, they need to go down right away but who cares, as long as it works.
    I actually have not used Primordial's Green Tea yet. I have a bottle for during my cycle, but I have used a Green Tea pill before (generic/store brand). Ugh...was that terrible tasting. Must just be a green tea extract thing...

    Why oh why can't it taste like green tea ice cream
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    I used to take bulk EGCG straight. The stuff tasted the way a sweaty horse smells. And the stuff is so darn hydrophobic it would just stick in my mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Nice Fin, I am watching and very excited!
    It's always better when you are along for the ride; walking encyclopedia of knowledge Kleen is!

    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    I actually have not used Primordial's Green Tea yet. I have a bottle for during my cycle, but I have used a Green Tea pill before (generic/store brand). Ugh...was that terrible tasting. Must just be a green tea extract thing...

    Why oh why can't it taste like green tea ice cream
    Stop teasing me with this ice cream talk. The androhard does taste surprisingly pleasant for a "steroid" (then again I have no reference to compare to). Taste is an observation I figured I would mention since I have nothing else to report about it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    I used to take bulk EGCG straight. The stuff tasted the way a sweaty horse smells. And the stuff is so darn hydrophobic it would just stick in my mouth.
    Resolve you are more man than I apparently. It reminds me of bulk cissus, man that stuff will put hair on your chest if you get the powder on the back of your tongue. SO NASTY!
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    Thanks Fin and HaHa suck it up man try alf alfa powder probably the same as the EGCG not a good thing. WAY worse than cissus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Resolve you are more man than I apparently. It reminds me of bulk cissus, man that stuff will put hair on your chest if you get the powder on the back of your tongue. SO NASTY!
    I eventually tried taking it in olive oil, but that tasted even worse. So I just started drinking actual Green Tea. Not as potent as the extract, but I've been clean bulking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    I eventually tried taking it in olive oil, but that tasted even worse. So I just started drinking actual Green Tea. Not as potent as the extract, but I've been clean bulking.

    Once I start cutting again, I'll use the caps.
    That is my plan as well if I get hungry, have some green tea to tide me over until my next meal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    I usually chew gum if hunger strikes but I've been using EST suppresor tbs and they are strong!
    Gum and I have a long standing relationship when recoming/cutting, piece in my mouth as we speak. It is the first week or two that are the hardest for me as my body adjusts to the lower cals/carbs but after that it is not as bad at all. The thermo I get from green tea is just a bonus along with the small caffeine kick as well.
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    u going for that manorexic look still?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    u going for that manorexic look still?
    Yeah I'm on the Jersey Shore diet: cigarettes, Axe body spray, hair gel and a rod up my a**! Nah, just working to get the last of the major fat deposits gone so I can build up slowly without adding it back. If I can be 6' and 190 pounds at about 10% BF, I will be happy.
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    When you get there will you just maintain? I ask this because I see alot of cutting/bulking/cutting
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    More than likely something like a perpetual recomp. I will experiment with different macro schematics to see if other yield better results but I don't see a need to bulk to 210 or something crazy like that. I want functional strength, agility and good reflexes. Getting huge, though attractive, will not yield me that end result I am going for. I have mad respect for the guys that can be 6' 230 and 7% BF but I don't have the time or dedication to do that with my life. Also, I would like to hit 1000 pounds on the big 3 by the time I am 30 while being under 190 pounds. Why that number, I really don't know but it ads to the challenge. Bench will be the big kicker for me, I suck at it!
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    Late in bro but I'm stubed in.
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    all in your mind, I could still run a 6-630 mile at 210
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    dude with the FLS, Androhard, ASGT, and GHenerate you are gonna lean up nicely!
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