Starting weight ~190
Finishing weight ~190
Verdict: Recomp at its finest
Strength/mass gains - 10/10 This is where it shined. Here are some highlights for you...
Flat Bench - 205x8 --> 235x6
Decline Bench - 225x8 -->265x8
Hack/Front Squat machine - 540x8 -->630x8
Machine shoulder press - 180x6-->210x8
Saw leaning out in arms/shoulders and mass gains throughout my entire back and legs. Waste line stayed the same as well.
Sides - 6.5/10 Initial issues with my prostate, solved very quickly with some saw palmetto I picked up at Vitamin Shoppe. If you are prone to issues, I suggest you pick something up and start it 7-14 days before to be safe. Acne was prolific and downright annoying starting week 3 all the way until the end. It was on face/back/chest and did not go away very easily. Slight back pumps doing bent over DB rows so I could not do those but that was the only instance and I could work around them with no problems.
Anti-estrogen effects - 7/10 I did not drop a ton of water like I thought I would have in the mid section though my arms/legs did look mean after about 3 weeks for the duration. Vascularity was pretty off the chain after week 2 as well and continued to get better.
Pumps - N/A I did not dose this pre-workout except a few times and I didn't notice any extra pumps from AH alone.
Overall - 8/10 It is expensive and if dosed per the bottle, it is only 25 days worth so you really have to want it to justify the cost [then again, it is being discontinued so...]. Also, it may be an issue for those that have prostate sensitivity to hormonal compounds. I would recommend this if you are looking for a safe and effective PH that gives unreal strength gains even at a diminished dose like I took.
Green Tea - 7/10 I did not notice any feelings from this product to be honest except I believe it did assist when I started ECA near the end with thermogenesis.
CLA - Not present during this run
Dermatherm Target Thoughts:
Absorption/application - 8/10 Pleasant smell of cinnamon with minimal burning on sporadic occasions.
Fat Loss - 5/10 Topicals really are hit or miss with me and this was the second time I ran DT-T with the same results. Yes I had some water retention but once I did my PCT with Erase I drop a good amount of water and my abs were not any bit leaner though I didn't gain fat either, hence the 5/10. If you respond to topicals, this may work very well for you but it did not for me.
Water retention - 9/10 I held a lot of water around the midsection the whole time I used this. 1/10 would be no retention, this got a 9/10.
Stim effects - N/A even though it contains theophyline. I could use this before bed and I would sleep fine (not that I did) so if you were to apply in later in the day you have nothing to worry about.
Overall - 5.5/10 I did not gain any fat nor did I lose any. My diet was not perfect but I believe that there should have been some noticeable changes and I really did not see any.
Overall Stack Rating - 7.5/10 I would recommend this to anyone just for the AndroHard alone though if you respond to non-stim fat burning products and/or topicals, this may work extremely well for you.
PP I would like to thank you for the chance to run this and I enjoyed the 8 weeks I used them. It is a shame that AndroHard may be going away (hopefully not!), you have a winner there. I had high hopes for Dermatherm but I put myself in the non-responder category and don't believe that it is a problem with the product at all, the ingredients are sound as is your delivery system.