Dermacrine LV + Formestane LV Log

[bikeswimlive]

Supplement log for AM



So this will be my first time logging any sort of supplement. I would like to not only provide some helpful information to anyone who is considering these products, but to get back any input from you guys as well. Feel free to offer up any recommendations, criticisms, or advice.

I had been going back and forth with myself as to whether I wanted to have my go at a first PH cycle. I had highly considered the Primordial Performance Turinabol(hdrol) Muscle Stack as it seemed to contain almost all I would need, with a few exceptions of course. As I began to analyze what I wanted from my next supplement purchase and what my goals were, I began to realize I have achieved the bulk and size I was after. It is now time to lean up and cut.

I finished grad school about a year and a half ago and really began to take my lifting seriously. I swam competitively in high school and was also a goal keeper on a premier (u-18) league soccer club. I lifted and trained for those sports, but really just did enough to get by. I really wish I had taken things like lifting seriously back then, but too little too late. So I have an athletic background, but college did a number on my fitness. Since graduating I have packed on some serious muscle and done (what I consider) a very impressive recomp. My goals for running this include: a noticeable leaning effect (cut), loss of water retention, increased intensity in the gym, and muscle hardness.

The supplements I have for this "cycle" are:

Primordial Performance Dermacrine LV (4mL a day first 4 days; then 4mL twice a day for rest of month)
Primordial Performance Formestane LV (2 mL twice daily)
Applied Nutriceuticals HGHup (6 caps pre-bed no carbs)
USP Labs OEP (2 caps morning; 1 cap afternoon)(I have read many like to wait three weeks into the derma cycle before starting. I will be starting at the beginning unless you can convince me otherwise)
Primaforce Lean Green (1 cap morning; 1 cap afternoon)

PCT
Sustain Alpha (use as directed)

Staple Supplements:

NO Shotgun
Scivation Xtend
NP Bulk Glutamine
NP Bulk Creatine Mono
Universal Omega
ON 100% Gold Standard Whey

Is there anything you guys would suggest adding into this cycle? If you guys have experience with dermacrine and/or formestane please give advise on dosing protocols and amounts.


I work out on a five day split:
Sun - off day/cardio if I feel like I need it
Monday - legs
Tuesday - chest & tris
Weds - back - cardio
Thurs - Shoulders & bis - cardio
Fri - off
Sat - abs cardio

I am thinking of dropping to a four day split and adding a day of just cardio. Thoughts?

My cardio is always done after my lifting is finished. I usually consists of a 1.5-2.5 mile run. I know I need to add in some HIIT, it is just a matter of motivation. There is a very steep hill within running distance from my house. I plan on doing sprints on it one day a week.

I will post my daily workouts as I perform them (to keep this initial post from being a book).


Again, please offer any advise, comments, criticisms my way. I am thinking of dropping to a four day split and adding a day of just cardio. Thoughts?

[bikeswimlive]

Also, I began the cycle this morning. I dosed 4mL of the Dermacrine LV and 2 mL of Formestane LV. The Dermacrine LV is labeled as "vanilla ice cream". I will put it this way, if vanilla ice cream tasted that bad, I would never eat it again. I am not taking it for taste though and will not complain of it again, just thought I would make note. Also, I went ahead and began OEP with two caps (even though it says begin with one to asses tolerance) and I feel pretty cracked out.

[UKStrength]

Looking good mate, here if you have any questions The OEP is excellent, no problem with starting it from day 1.

[thebigt]

don't take the form or dermacrine lv close to your dose of hghup-looking at ingredients there has to be carbs in the lv carrier. other than that it looks good-give it hell, and good luck.

[CopyCat]

Awesome! Glad you are logging it.

[bikeswimlive]

don't take the form or dermacrine lv close to your dose of hghup-looking at ingredients there has to be carbs in the lv carrier. other than that it looks good-give it hell, and good luck.

I am taking my Dermacrine & Formestane at 5 am and 5 pm. I take my HGHup on an empty stomach before bed around 10 pm.

[bikeswimlive]

Yesderday was day two on the dosing.
Monday was my legs day:

5 sets of 10 reps of 225 on the squat
3 sets of 10 power clean at 155
3 sets of 10 hamstring curl
3 sets of 10 seated calf raises
3x10 hip adductor
3x10 hip abductor
3 25 yard lunges while holding a 35lb plate over my head

As it is early on in the dosing, no real noticeable effects are being felt. It could just be the placebo effect right now, but I can say I am not as sore as normal after a solid leg day. I do love HGHup though for its sleep benefits. Slept like a baby last night and feel great today.

I am going to do quite a bit of cardio today after work. I might mix things up and run the hills tonight and push my chest day to tomorrow.


Edit: also bumped my OEP dose back to one cap this morning. I still will take the cap in the afternoon, but I feel quite a bit better. Two was a little more than I was ready for yesterday.

[Jmlift]

Curious as to why the formestane? I didn't think u needed anti e with derm?

Thanks

[UKStrength]

Curious as to why the formestane? I didn't think u needed anti e with derm?

Thanks

In Dermacrine LV DHEA acts as a precursor both both testosterone and oestrogen therefore using formestane LV on-cycle keeps this in check. You can read more about 4-DHEA here mate: 4-DHEA

It's not completely necessary (I don't use it) but could make for an even 'drier' cycle.

[bikeswimlive]

Curious as to why the formestane? I didn't think u needed anti e with derm?

Thanks

I'm just looking for extremely dry, lean gains. I want to drop some BF% while running this as well. Hence, the form. I will taper it off/down the last week I run the cycle though.

[bikeswimlive]

Yesterday, I went for cardio. Ran three miles. I ran it as three one mile repeats. Again, could be the placebo, but I have a noticeable lack of soreness. I'm definitely not perfectly fresh, but feel good. How much should I worry of over-training? I have continued to dose 4mL of Dermcrine two times a day. 2mL of Form two times a day. I am still using OEP and HGHup as directed.

Side note, just ordered some of NP's new whey Nutrpro. I got the chocolate flavor (as it is getting pretty amazing reviews. Hopefully that works out well.

[bikeswimlive]

Also, just wanted to say thanks to UKStrength and copycat (and all others) for following along, as you fellas definitely know your stuff and can provide a ton of help to me while I run this.

[Jmlift]

In DHEA acts as a precursor both both testosterone and oestrogen therefore using on-cycle keeps this in check. You can read more about 4-DHEA here mate:

I HAD TO REMOVE URLS

It's not completely necessary (I don't use it) but could make for an even 'drier' cycle.

Thanks for the reply, but are you saying that the LV reacts differently than the topical? I purchased the DMS topical stack, as I thought the was the best beginner stack, but now I am seeing a couple people loving derm + form. I am just a little upset I haven't seen anything about this stack on pp.com and seeing ppl running it with form makes me a little worried that my Derm topical + phyto will raise estro higher than expected

i don't want to steal this thread though... its a great log so far.

[bikeswimlive]

Not stealing at all, part of why I am doing this is to help out. I read alot about the Form LV here:
PP'S FORMESTANE LV-BIGT'S ON THE FORM AGAIN

Also, try these threads for some more research:

Dermacrine lv + Formestane Lv = a little more diezel

Dermacrine – The perfect addition to your stack

Dermacrine + Fomestane

Let me know your conclusions.

[thebigt]

Yesterday, I went for cardio. Ran three miles. I ran it as three one mile repeats. Again, could be the placebo, but I have a noticeable lack of soreness. I'm definitely not perfectly fresh, but feel good. How much should I worry of over-training? I have continued to dose 4mL of Dermcrine two times a day. 2mL of Form two times a day. I am still using OEP and HGHup as directed.

Side note, just ordered some of NP's new whey Nutrpro. I got the chocolate flavor (as it is getting pretty amazing reviews. Hopefully that works out well.

i wouldn't worry about overtraining-particularly as it pertains to cardio. 3miles is not excessive at all, i sometimes rack up 10 miles on the treadmill. just make sure to include off deays and you will be fine.

imo-overtraining would be something like hitting bench presses 3xweek as an example.

[diezel]

Cycle looks good. I think you'll really like it.

[UKStrength]

Thanks for the reply, but are you saying that the LV reacts differently than the topical? I purchased the DMS topical stack, as I thought the was the best beginner stack, but now I am seeing a couple people loving derm + form. I am just a little upset I haven't seen anything about this stack on pp.com and seeing ppl running it with form makes me a little worried that my Derm topical + phyto will raise estro higher than expected

i don't want to steal this thread though... its a great log so far.

Not at all mate, adding in the formestane LV is a personal choice and like bikeswimlive has pointed out, will make for a slightly 'drier' cycle.

The oestrogen increase with the Dermacrine LV will be minimal and extremely unlikely to cause any noticeable oestrogen-related side effects.

I still think you'll have an awesome cycle mate with the Dermacrine Muscle Stack, don't lose heart before you've even started!

[Jmlift]

don't lose heart before you've even started!

haha. Thanks a lot. Sounds good.

[bikeswimlive]

Yesterdays workout was chest tri's:
3x8 flat bench with 225
3x15 decline bench with 205
3x10 incline bench with 155
1x10 negative bench press
3x10 smith flys
3x10 pushups

tris
3x8 (each arm) single arm overhead tricep extension
3x8 skull crusher
3xfailure triceps pressdowns

Then I spent 25 minutes on the stair machine just to keep my legs fresh and loose. Nothing too intense, but enough to sweat.

[bikeswimlive]

Jimbo15 a Primordial Performance Rep says:
"I prefer five or six weeks with dermacrine. Its mild so you should be ok"

I had originally planned on four weeks, but I am really beginning to think I should stretch is out a bit. If I go passed four weeks should I stop the form after four or run it as long as the dermacrine? Also, if I go that long, will I need anything other than Sustain Alpha for PCT? Thoughts?