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    Primordial Performance Presents a sponsored Dermacrine log, PLUS HAVOC

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    Overall Stats
    Age- 21
    Weight-212
    Height-5-10
    Bodyfat-16%

    Beginning Stats
    Chest-44’’
    Forearms-12’’
    Arms-16’’
    Shoulders-20’’
    Calves-14.5’’

    Workout Schedule
    -I am going to focus on compound movements.
    -Squat, Deadlift, and Benchpress all need much improvement
    -I will train each muscle group if it is not sore. I.E. there are no set days for lifting

    Cycle Health
    -3 tubs of AI Cycle support, that I have been taking for 2 weeks, and will take the entire duration of PCT
    -PP Beta Alanine
    -Fishoil
    -Cissus
    -ECGC
    -ZMA
    -COQ10
    -Protein Powder

    Dosing Protocols
    Havoc-30,40,40,40 (note, 1 bottle Havoc, 1 bottle E-stane)
    Dermacrine- 4 pumps for 4 weeks

    PCT
    - I also bought their Testosterone Recovery Stack for PCT.
    -Also have a staple of Formestane, Diesel Test Hardcore, Supress-C if I feel I need extra support

    Diet
    Will be clean, not counting quantities, just amounts and quality.

    Goals
    Gain as much muscle without gaining excess fat, possibly even losing some fat.



    Hopefully this log will help educate people about the stacking potential of Dermacrine, and the synergy of Dermacrine and Havoc specifically.

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    Day 1


    Start out with the compounds movements, finish with isolations

    Incline Bench Press- 135-10, 185-6, 155-8, 135-8
    Dumbell Press- 100-10, 130-8, 160-7(in total weight)
    Inner Chest Pushups- 8 , 8, 10 , 6
    Pec Dec- 130-15, 130-15, 115-15, 115-15 (short rest in between)
    Dips-1 set of 8

    Notes:
    -Libido seems changed, but i cant put my finger on it.
    -Had a good workout, considering i worked chest 5 days ago

    Dermacrine Notes - Has a nice smell, much bigger bottle than i thought i would be, has a good pump but half of the goo is yellow and the other half clear, i guess thats how they designed it. I felt some increased focus today, and i definately think its the Dermacrine. Theres pregnelone in dermcrine which is good for adrenal fatigue caused by stim usage. I just came of a small ECA cycle 5 days ago, and was kind of drained a little bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    subbed brother!
    thanks bro!
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    Subbed Man, Good luck with everything. Will def be following as im interested in stacking something like epistane with dermacrine in the future. i havent noticed anything yet, but im only on day 2. You gonna use some kind of serm or just the Test Recovery Stack the form and DTH? Im curious as to how your gonna dose Form as an AI with the TRS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    Subbed Man, Good luck with everything. Will def be following as im interested in stacking something like epistane with dermacrine in the future. i havent noticed anything yet, but im only on day 2. You gonna use some kind of serm or just the Test Recovery Stack the form and DTH? Im curious as to how your gonna dose Form as an AI with the TRS.
    Ill see, i want to talk to Trauma, see what he thinks, may do some sustain or diesel test hardcore during the cycle to lessen shutdown.

    I dont think im going need a serm on this point, but ill have it on hand. The serm seems as dangerous as the PS.
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    Yeah i was thinking of doing like derma ED and then say epi EOD with sustain and formex on off days to avoid shutdown...I have no idea though, Im kinda a newb on PH's. See what trauma says or Primordial Perf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    Yeah i was thinking of doing like derma ED and then say epi EOD with sustain and formex on off days to avoid shutdown...I have no idea though, Im kinda a newb on PH's. See what trauma says or Primordial Perf.
    Its really best to stay consistent and just take the Epi everyday... you arent really going to be able to avoid inhibition by playing with the dose one way or another.

    Just keep the blood levels as steady as you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Its really best to stay consistent and just take the Epi everyday... you arent really going to be able to avoid inhibition by playing with the dose one way or another.

    Just keep the blood levels as steady as you can.

    -Eric
    x2 that what i said in the other log.

    Im taking the epi every 4-5 hours
    4 pumps Derm in the morning

    i didnt expect the Derm to act so fast, but i have to say this about libido,really suprised me. Woke up put it on 15 minutes later, i saw this woman i usually see whose pretty, got morning wood while i was walking lol. Never happened anytime recently. So i def think it was the derm, ill see how this progresses in the coming days.
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    Day 2


    Rest Day

    Cardio: Swimming 20 minutes in sprints
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    i havent noticed the libido increase yet, but i do always just feal beat from the workouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    did you have to put a book in front of it lol
    no it wasnt full morning wood
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    i havent noticed the libido increase yet, but i do always just feal beat from the workouts.
    i think it has, but im gonna start focusing more on talking about the weightlifting more than libido increases, haha
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    Day 3


    Quad Day

    Dumbell Squats(in total dumbbell weights)
    Warmup set 40-20
    100-12
    200-5
    160-9

    Dumbell Step Ups
    30-1(failed used too much weight)
    15-10
    15-12
    15-8

    Leg Extensions
    40-20
    40-22
    30-15
    30-15

    I started out with the compound movements, going as heavy as i could, then switched to lower reps to target the slow twitch. The weight was very low, but squats really tired out my quads, glutes too.

    Trying to take out the hamstrings, from my leg day, so i can perform deadlifts at a higher intensity.

    So far everything is going pretty good.

    Havoc i dont think has kicked in too much in terms of stregth, but its started to make me dry, decrease my estrogen.

    Dermacrine, i think has kicked in, a little bit, noticing a decent libido boost. Plus i think the havoc is drying me out, whenever i put the derm on, i feel better, i start too feel a little bit more bloated though.

    More to come.
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    Subbed mate, sorry for the late one! Good luck for the rest of the cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by UKStrength View Post
    Subbed mate, sorry for the late one! Good luck for the rest of the cycle
    yeah, what happened to you?
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    Day 4


    Rest Day

    -40 minutes low intensity cardio

    Comments: The dermacrine is giving me energy. I just came off ECA before, so this is good.
    Havoc- I dont feel i kicking in yet, but workouts have been a little better than usual, pumps a little better.

    (did not have time to post this yesterday)
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    Day 5


    Biceps

    Hammer curls
    50-8 (cheating a little bit)
    40-8
    25-12

    Preacher Curl Machine(mainly normal grip, changed to inner grip towards the end)
    125-8
    110-6
    80-8
    80-6
    60- 7

    Concentration curls
    30-6
    25-8
    20-8
    20-6

    Curls
    25-8
    20-6

    Of course, squeezing the biceps as much as possible.
    Usually if i do biceps by itself, i just go with the flow.In the begging i try to lift as heavy as can go, later, just focus on flexing the muscle.

    Also did some ab work
    Leg raises- 2 sets of 25 reps
    Crunches- 2 set of 20 reps

    I did biceps alone, so i could let my back rest up more, so i could try to perform deadlifts at a greater intensity on monday hopefully.
    Im gonna do a mainly deadlift day, with a few other back exercises.
    I think the squat, deadlift, benchpress will be a good determiner of my strength gains.

    For the record, im bringing a small paper notebook to keep track of my lifts, so i don't come home, trying to remember, and then put incorrect information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars1107 View Post
    Dumbell Press- 100-10, 130-8, 160-7
    Are these per dumbbell or total weight...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars1107 View Post
    yeah, what happened to you?
    Been on holiday mate, two weeks in Ibiza, got back yesterday
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    yeah ive put up 130's but 160's would be crazy....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    Are these per dumbbell or total weight...


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    yeah sorry, thats total weight, haha. I edited it.

    that would make me look to good, without it edited.

    thanks for the sub
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    yeah ive put up 130's but 160's would be crazy....
    130's, thats really good, for how many reps.

    I focus on form though, i dont go flanging weights up there.

    right now i can do 225 on flat bench from anywhere from 6-12 reps, depends how many sets im doing. i havent done a one rep max in a while, so i dont know what thatd be.

    -On the flat bench i try to take the shoulders and tris as much out of the exercise as possible but its very hard,
    -i also go fast up, then medium tempo back down

    -form is important, i see guys lift heavier than me, but theyre doing so at the cost of form

    -next chest days ill focus on bench, see how much i can increase during the short log.

    -that hows im gonna tabulate my stregth gains, with the big three squats, deadlift, and bench. Other exercise are less clear to see changes in strength. I wont be doing one rep maxes, because my goal is not just stregth, but from my first chest workout, to my last of the log, there should be some nice differences
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    I got 130's for four one time. Havent really touched that in a while tho
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    Day 6


    Rest Day

    Cardio:40 minutes(slow)

    Tommorow Deadlifts hopefully with improvement
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    Day 7


    Back/Hamstrings

    Began with dead lifts

    warmups-no weight/stretching

    100 pounds by 15

    210 pounds by 1

    lowered it to 160

    160 pounds by 10

    160 pounds by 8

    My deadlifts right now are pretty weak.

    I probally need some straps, as i knew my forearm were failing, perhaps, some better shoes perhaps.

    So i went to other exercises,

    Leg Curls
    80-20
    120-10
    120-10
    120-8

    LatPulldowns(Supesetted)
    4 sets
    10 reps with 120
    followed immediately by
    20 reps with 60
    Hit the fast first then the slow twitch.

    Bent Over Two-Arm Long Bar Row
    90-10
    90-12
    120-6

    Calf Raises(bodyweight)
    4 sets of 20-30 reps

    Notes:I had a good workout except i was displeased with my deadlift attempt.

    Dermacrine:Still doing what it has been doing in the past.

    Havoc:Might have start kicking in today more, going to 40mg tommorow.
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    Day 8


    Rest Day

    Feel pretty crappy today with lethargy. It could be from the workout yesteday. Sometimes if i have an intense workout, the next day i feel very lethargic.

    Want to do cardio, really need to step my cardio up, but im tired an my whole backside is sore.

    I did step up to 40mg Havoc today, but i havent taken the last pill, just took the third.

    The testosterone recovery stack came in, and i opened the sustain alpha, applied some on. I liked the smell of the dermacrine much better, this sort of does smell like sausage,haha, really doesnt matter though.
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    make sure to get ure macros right or your gonna feel like crap after hard workouts. We took a V02 max test at my sports performance place and i burned like 1500+ calories in a typical workout. You def gotta get the food right or your gonna feel like crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    make sure to get ure macros right or your gonna feel like crap after hard workouts. We took a V02 max test at my sports performance place and i burned like 1500+ calories in a typical workout. You def gotta get the food right or your gonna feel like crap.
    i definately get my calories in, but ive started to notice, i think the havoc is lowering my appetite. But i still eat plenty, drinking 2 protein shakes a day plus xtend plus normal food.
    im more hungry the day after a workout anyways, the trick is being able to eat enough clean, chicken,rice,brocoli,fiber,ect .
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    yeah i think the dermacrine is actually boosting my appitite a bit. Its tough getting the calroies in, but ya gotta do it...Trying to get 4,000 in has been a pain in the butt tho
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    Mars, are you doing any rehab work at all mate?

    Try some foam rolling and intense stretching (I mean DC-style at least) it really helps with my recovery between sessions, especially my legs and back, the DOMS from training can be literally crippling if I don't do it!

    The log's going well though mate, keep up the good work
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    Quote Originally Posted by UKStrength View Post
    Mars, are you doing any rehab work at all mate?

    Try some foam rolling and intense stretching (I mean DC-style at least) it really helps with my recovery between sessions, especially my legs and back, the DOMS from training can be literally crippling if I don't do it!

    The log's going well though mate, keep up the good work
    thanks uk,

    i always do stretching

    but ive never done foam rolling or intense stretching, maybe i have done intense stretching on occasion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavb10 View Post
    yeah i think the dermacrine is actually boosting my appitite a bit. Its tough getting the calroies in, but ya gotta do it...Trying to get 4,000 in has been a pain in the butt tho
    x2, but the havoc i think has the inverse effect. Its noted that people get less hungry with methyls, however on contrary some people said their appetites increased on havoc.

    What ive noticed so far from dermacrine, it has a pretty imediate effect, like within 30 minutes, and then within 3 hours it dwindles, that why i split my dosage into two, also im applying it to my shoulders traps, supposedly theres more steriodegenic enzymes there.

    I actually kind of want to go up to 6 pumps per day, in 3 doses, but id need another bottle.
  

  
 

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