Promagnon Is Back!!! Introducing CEL PMag

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Well I've been planning on running p25 ever since SD convinced me to keep the cycles fun LOL So I guess EVERYBODY wins in the deal Hopefully, somebody can learn from the log instead of asking you the same first cycle questions 9 billion times... I'm sure this is gonna be a hot seller, no hype needed.
    were you talking about me ?
    Team Orbit

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    Quote Originally Posted by learn View Post
    were you talking about me ?
    Yup... and by first cycle, I meant to say 21st LOL
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Yup... and by first cycle, I meant to say 21st LOL
    ha ha
    Team Orbit

  4. lov the log so far

  5. any reason why you think the irritability has gone down? maybe nattural test is starting to suppress?

  6. Good question. On one hand, I suspect it's a bit psychological. There is an aggression enhancing aspect, especially with the TD form. But I'm so aware of it that I've been choosing to not let it interfere with my personality.

    On the other hand, I've been sleeping at night (like 5 out of the last 7 nights which is INCREDIBLE for me). So I think the initial irritability might have been from sleep deprivation.

    And as you said, sure it's possible that there's some suppression. But from the studies I've seen haven't shown much in terms of Pmag being suppressive. And I have a reliable source (who does not have a hand in the supp industry for bodybuilding purposes) that helped me to confirm and further explain how mild Pmag is on the Hpta.

    Either way, I'm full of BS

  7. so would you say that pmag is less suppressive than hdrol?
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    Quote Originally Posted by buster0371 View Post
    so would you say that pmag is less suppressive than hdrol?
    At this point subjectively, it's tough to tell because I'm only 1/2 way through the cycle. It has a milder "feel" than hdrol, but that doesn't tell us anything really LOL Pheraplex "felt" super duper mild even at 40mg but it was a tougher recovery than halo IMO (just to illustrate the point).

    According to the studies, yes P-Mag is less suppressive than halo. But from my experience, don't chalk that up as a negative to halo because it's a very "friendly" compound too.

    Day 18


    Monday, May 4, 2009

    3 Cap P-Mag
    1 x 2 CEL Form
    Cycle Assist
    Taurine

    I had limited time for a shoulders workout today. Motivation was low and I was feeling a little burned out from a long work day. So, I decided to man up, and slam out a shoulder routine in 40 minutes that took me a good 70 minutes last week. No stims either since it was too late.

    Even with the time crunch, I still added 5 pounds each side to hammer shoulder presses. And I went from 3 sets of 10 with 120's for shrugs to 3 sets of 15. After the shoulder routine, I did a 1 hour powerball class which is a fun alternative to running on a wheel like a rat for cardio

    Gyno lump has NOT returned. No spontaneous sensations have returned either. But sensitivity if I bump it is there occasionally. All in all, CEL's TD form is holding it's own even when I thought for sure the lump was going to win the battle.

  9. I hope that lump stays away for you even after you drop the Form! I'll be keeping an eye on the log for any changes. I'll be running my own TD-Form mix in a couple weeks. I'll be purchasing some CEL Form when it's available.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    I hope that lump stays away for you even after you drop the Form! I'll be keeping an eye on the log for any changes. I'll be running my own TD-Form mix in a couple weeks. I'll be purchasing some CEL Form when it's available.
    My best advice to you is to stay away from test boosters and from other AI's. I have a sneaky suspician that Novedex and 6oxo actually aggrevated the symptoms in the past. Same goes for fenugreek, yohimbe,and all the bs prop blends that I've tried. So if I were in your shoes, I'd run the form solo, which I get the impression is what you're doing already anyway.

    I've tried a laundry list of "dopamenergic" supps too. The one that I think helped the most was PowerFull, but only if I dosed it throughout the day. The night time only dosing, doesn't cut it.

    IMO B6, tyrosine, and Sam-E may have dopamenergic potential. But in my experience, none had any effect on reducing sensations like PowerFull did.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    My best advice to you is to stay away from test boosters and from other AI's. I have a sneaky suspician that Novedex and 6oxo actually aggrevated the symptoms in the past. Same goes for fenugreek, yohimbe,and all the bs prop blends that I've tried. So if I were in your shoes, I'd run the form solo, which I get the impression is what you're doing already anyway.

    I've tried a laundry list of "dopamenergic" supps too. The one that I think helped the most was PowerFull, but only if I dosed it throughout the day. The night time only dosing, doesn't cut it.

    IMO B6, tyrosine, and Sam-E may have dopamenergic potential. But none in my experience, none had any effect on reducing sensations like PowerFull did.
    I'm currently in PCT with...

    Tamoxifen
    T911
    1-carboxy
    Trinitine
    Blue Up

    I'll be adding the Form in Week 3 @ 4 pumps ~ 160mg.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    I'm currently in PCT with...

    Tamoxifen
    T911
    1-carboxy
    Trinitine
    Blue Up

    I'll be adding the Form in Week 3 @ 4 pumps ~ 160mg.
    Plan looks solid. How's your symptoms now? IMO drop the Blue Up just to be safe. I get the impression that you're sensitive to everything just like me in this realm.

    My logic is this... if you're using the stim free Blue Up, it's not doing anything anyway. IMO it's not a productive product. The stimmed version is real nice though, but there's a bazillion other stims without yohimbe and other test boosters. See my logic?

  13. Things are going well. I have high hopes.

    I've actually used Blue Up in the past and really enjoyed it. It did more for me than DTH ever did. - Just how it worked.

    And no, I'm not sensitive to everything, just hormones. I've ran plenty of NHA stacks without issues even after I used Epidrol to rid my gyno last year. It stayed away the entire time until I used another hormone a month or so ago...I'm always sure to run AI's in conjunction with T-boosters. It's just always how I've done it.

    So far things are going good. I'll keep you updated on it and definitely appreciate your advice on everything.

  14. Good deal Irish! The way it sounds now, the form should finish it off

    Do you still deadlift in your "homeade" gym?

  15. Log is looking good man
    Team Orbit

  16. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Good deal Irish! The way it sounds now, the form should finish it off

    Do you still deadlift in your "homeade" gym?
    Am I missing something?

  17. what serm do you have on hand celc?

  18. Learn,
    thanks brotha!

    Irish,
    weren't u the one who used to have some crazy DL vids in a basement gym? Maybe I have you confused with someone else

    buster,
    I have Torem, but only cause I made big purchase a while back. I don't like Torem and won't ever buy it again. It's a libido killer for me and the proposed positive effects on HDL were not there both times I got my bloodwork done. If I had to choose, I'd run Nolva if addressing gyno was my priority. I'd choose Clomid if addressing HPTA was my priority.

    Funny thing happened this morning fellas. My gf saw me putting Taurine in my protein shake and she said "that must be SEXY powder. It's about time you took a supplement that actually worked." She pretty much grinded on my leg the rest of the morning while getting ready for work I tell her when I'm ON, but for whatever reason she doesn't believe me LOL

  19. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Funny thing happened this morning fellas. My gf saw me putting Taurine in my protein shake and she said "that must be SEXY powder. It's about time you took a supplement that actually worked." She pretty much grinded on my leg the rest of the morning while getting ready for work I tell her when I'm ON, but for whatever reason she doesn't believe me LOL
    Thats good stuff right there lol

  20. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Learn,
    thanks brotha!

    Irish,
    weren't u the one who used to have some crazy DL vids in a basement gym? Maybe I have you confused with someone else

    buster,
    I have Torem, but only cause I made big purchase a while back. I don't like Torem and won't ever buy it again. It's a libido killer for me and the proposed positive effects on HDL were not there both times I got my bloodwork done. If I had to choose, I'd run Nolva if addressing gyno was my priority. I'd choose Clomid if addressing HPTA was my priority.

    Funny thing happened this morning fellas. My gf saw me putting Taurine in my protein shake and she said "that must be SEXY powder. It's about time you took a supplement that actually worked." She pretty much grinded on my leg the rest of the morning while getting ready for work I tell her when I'm ON, but for whatever reason she doesn't believe me LOL
    NP Man

    lol must be nice to have the GF supporting ya


    gotta a Q : Celc5

    I am torn Between Hdrol and Pmag

    your having so much fun with this not sure which to choose

    going to be stacking mine with Furazadrol

    with how you feel so far which would you say would be a better stack Hdrol and Furazadrol or PMag and Furazadrol? I know both will be lean .

    anythoughts


    dam sorry bout the jack
    Team Orbit

  21. lol your girlfriend sounds funny!!!! she doesn't believe you that your ON cycle?

  22. Learn,
    if it's a cut, I'd go with Hdrol. If it's a recomp either PMag or HDrol would work. If it's a lean bulk, then I'd choose Pmag.

    Buster,
    I tell her I'm on cycle even when I'm not though. She just thinks that I waste too much money on supps and she's probably right. But ya, either way she's funny and keeps me on my toes. I'm never bored

  23. learn, that avi is just wrong man...the devil tempted me to watch it and it was yummy lmao
    and celc i bet everyone here waste too much money on supps lol
  24. Arrow Day 20


    TNasty,
    agreed. That's why we need honest logs so we stop wasting money on unproductive supplements. The boards are riddled with BS hype for supps that have little to no effect.

    Day 20

    Wednesday, May 6, 2009

    3 Caps PMag
    1 pump x 3 CEL Form
    Cycle Assist
    Taurine

    Back is getting a bit stronger. I've been adding 5 pounds every week to dumbell rows. Now that sounds great, but it's not as impressive to me as adding 5 pounds to my weekly bench based on my own strengths and weaknesses.

    Biceps pump was rediculous. The main Biceps vein was popping out 1/2 way through my first WARM UP set of biceps. It usually doesn't make an appearance at least until the end of my first heavy working set. So yes, vascularity is nicely enhanced.

    I've been waking up hungry the past few nights. So I take in an extra 40g pro and 40g carbs at like 2 or 3am for the past few nights. Hopefully, that will continue to have a positive effect on body comp.

    And to finish off the gf comment from this morning, she can't stand the smell of TD formestane. Whatev... she can get out if she wants to complain

    And first side effect was noted over the past 2-3 days. I have a zit on my forehead and chin. Actually, I'm sort of amused by the zits ince I rarely ever have any on my face. Maybe a bit of bacne, but no zits.

    ...Go Pens

  25. what do you take the taurine for? back pumps?

  26. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Learn,
    if it's a cut, I'd go with Hdrol. If it's a recomp either PMag or HDrol would work. If it's a lean bulk, then I'd choose Pmag.

    Buster,
    I tell her I'm on cycle even when I'm not though. She just thinks that I waste too much money on supps and she's probably right. But ya, either way she's funny and keeps me on my toes. I'm never bored
    thanks bud
    Team Orbit

  27. Quote Originally Posted by TNASTYII View Post
    learn, that avi is just wrong man...the devil tempted me to watch it and it was yummy lmao
    and celc i bet everyone here waste too much money on supps lol
    utt oh

    now your going str8 to HELL
    Team Orbit

  28. Quote Originally Posted by TNASTYII View Post
    learn, that avi is just wrong man...the devil tempted me to watch it and it was yummy lmao
    and celc i bet everyone here waste too much money on supps lol
    if you call forking over a little pocket change to get gigantic! than yes, i love wasting money on supps

  29. Quote Originally Posted by buster0371 View Post
    if you call forking over a little pocket change to get gigantic! than yes, i love wasting money on supps
    My girls can always tell when I'm ON. They say I'm even meaner than usual...which is true, I do tend to snap easier. This is why I try to stay away from people. They say I walk around with a scowl on my face, and I stare down people when I catch them looking at me. Sometimes I'll even growl, "What the FCUK are you looking at?" But like I tell her, when you live in the "hood," I don't know if someone's admiring my size or sizing me up to rob me. It doesn't help that I wear a chain with a gaudy pendant (my uniform number) around my neck. Gotta stay on my toes. Watch the people watching you, I always say.
    "I am NOT an alcoholic. Alcoholics have a drinking problem. I ain't got no problem drinking!!"
    -My Best Friend

  30. Quote Originally Posted by ex-tightend83 View Post
    My girls can always tell when I'm ON. They say I'm even meaner than usual...which is true, I do tend to snap easier. This is why I try to stay away from people. They say I walk around with a scowl on my face, and I stare down people when I catch them looking at me. Sometimes I'll even growl, "What the FCUK are you looking at?" But like I tell her, when you live in the "hood," I don't know if someone's admiring my size or sizing me up to rob me. It doesn't help that I wear a chain with a gaudy pendant (my uniform number) around my neck. Gotta stay on my toes. Watch the people watching you, I always say.
    thats funny as heck bro. In a sense, I just became that much more grateful that I live in Orange County! LOL. Everyone is so friendly and in the mood to party down here! I hate watching my back!
  

  
 

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