And now the moment you've all been waiting for Clenbutrx Hardcore

[Jda777]

SO... I did as instructed and took a sissy dose to assess my tolerance. I've been dieting for about 5 weeks. The first three were just diet and lifting, the last two were dieting more strictly, empty stomach cardio, in addition to supplementing the anarchy (minus the CLA) and and ECAY stack with significant results.

I am currently sitting on my couch, waiting for my Clenbutrx to kick in. I will be continuing the anarchy stack, cardio, and dieting.....so I will see if this supp is worth choosing over eca. Especially since I will probably go back to the eca for a couple of weeks after this trial is over.

I will keep you posted to energy levels etc....


PS. Yes, it does taste like ass, but anyone who won't take a supplement because of taste is a big vag imo.

Off to the treadmill.....

[JaredGalloway]

keep up posted... looks like a solid supplement for fat loss...

[Rugger]

sounds like a big ****in scam of a product

[Jda777]

sounds like a big ****in scam of a product

So is everything else on the market chief, haha.

Prohormones are more dangerous and less effective then steroids.

NO2 makes you feel good but doesn't really do anything for muscle growth. Need I go on. Anyway, I feel nice and awake after putting up my dishes and my morning "release."

I'm gonna go ahead and take the full dose and then I'm out the door.

[Rugger]

It's like Ford painting a Focus Ferrari Red and marketing it as a Ferrary.

[Jda777]

It's like Ford painting a Focus Ferrari Red and marketing it as a Ferrary.

So you are angry about them using the old name I take it. Anyways, go whine in someone else's thread and let me conduct a little research for people who have been PM'ing me about this product. I'm not a rep and bought this with my own money, so they will get a straight shooter here.

Let's see what happens.

Energy was good for sure. Didn't open up the airways like the ephed w/ guaif but that is to be expected, as it isn't an asthma medication.

We'll see what lifting is like with it. I'm gonna buy some AAKG tabs and pop it with some creatine monohydrate to give it a fair shake with the pre-workout supps.

I'll keep you updated.

[thebigt]

i'm in. vpx makes good stims.

[jsp0785]

So is everything else on the market chief, haha.

Prohormones are more dangerous and less effective then steroids.

NO2 makes you feel good but doesn't really do anything for muscle growth. Need I go on. Anyway, I feel nice and awake after putting up my dishes and my morning "release."

I'm gonna go ahead and take the full dose and then I'm out the door.

i think he's talking about the fact that most supps who try to rip off the name of an illegal product are usually bogus garbage.

[Jda777]

i think he's talking about the fact that most supps who try to rip off the name of an illegal product are usually bogus garbage.

I don't know what you are talking about, but the original "Clenbutrx" was supposedly amazing, so I don't know if the philosophy you speak of, is one I would embrace.

[Cinn]

sounds like a big ****in scam of a product

No kidding. Marketing something by ripping a name off of another compound and making it kewl to catch attention = lame.

I'll stick to buying actual clenbuterol, which is cheaper and more effective.

[Jda777]

Okay, so I just bought some "SUPER NOS PUMP" from walmart when I was picking up some groceries. It contains 3g of AAKG per serving (2 of which are L-arginine)

A serving is 3 pills, but I will take 5, ----- with 5 g of cre mono, and 5mL of liquid ass and let you know how the workout goes.

[Jda777]

No kidding. Marketing something by ripping a name off of another compound and making it kewl to catch attention = lame.

I'll stick to buying actual clenbuterol, which is cheaper and more effective.

However, clenbuterol also yielded three very negative changes. First, after just four weeks, clenbuterol-treated rats were unable to maintain their normal swimming or running training intensities, while clean rodents were quite capable of continuing. Secondly, the hearts of the clenbuterol-taking, trained rats increased dramatically in size compared to the hearts of sedentary rats, but the heart expansion was probably due to the infiltration of collagen fibres into the heart walls, not an increase in heart-muscle cells. Collagen is a tough connective tissue which doesn't augment heart-muscle power but in fact stiffens the heart, potentially leading to a decrease in cardiac output. Increases in collagen may also produce cardiac arrhythmias. Thirdly, clenbuterol rats suffered from noticeable cardiac-cell degeneration.
(http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0176.htm)



You may not think you are a rat, but some people might.


Bottom line, I've done the real deal, I noticed an increased pump using it. I also noticed it made my calves cramp, and read about a lot of bad long term sides.

I have decided at my ripe old age of 26, that I may want to limit the chemicals I put into my body. Just giving this a shot for a couple weeks.

Thanks for the input you negative nancys.

[jsp0785]

I don't know what you are talking about, but the original "Clenbutrx" was supposedly amazing, so I don't know if the philosophy you speak of, is one I would embrace.

i didn't say all i said most. and i've heard that cell-tech is amazing... don't know till ya try it.

[Cinn]

However, clenbuterol also yielded three very negative changes. First, after just four weeks, clenbuterol-treated rats were unable to maintain their normal swimming or running training intensities, while clean rodents were quite capable of continuing. Secondly, the hearts of the clenbuterol-taking, trained rats increased dramatically in size compared to the hearts of sedentary rats, but the heart expansion was probably due to the infiltration of collagen fibres into the heart walls, not an increase in heart-muscle cells. Collagen is a tough connective tissue which doesn't augment heart-muscle power but in fact stiffens the heart, potentially leading to a decrease in cardiac output. Increases in collagen may also produce cardiac arrhythmias. Thirdly, clenbuterol rats suffered from noticeable cardiac-cell degeneration.
(http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0176.htm)



You may not think you are a rat, but some people might.


Bottom line, I've done the real deal, I noticed an increased pump using it. I also noticed it made my calves cramp, and read about a lot of bad long term sides.

I have decided at my ripe old age of 26, that I may want to limit the chemicals I put into my body. Just giving this a shot for a couple weeks.

Thanks for the input you negative nancys.

It's important to go straight to peer-reviewed data when evaluating something. That article from your link is piss-poor.

Doses shown to be anabolic(note: this includes cardiac muscle) in animal models are MUCH higher than supplemental human doses. Cardiotoxicity has been linked to taurine depletion(again, keep in mind these are much higher doses than would be used for fat loss purposes). Supplement with taurine for peace of mind RE that and it'll also help with the calf cramping. Bump up your electrolytes and that will help also.

I can understand you wanting to limit the things you ingest. I was just pointing out that it's lame IMO(on the manufacturer's part) to bank off of a name like that by appealing to the ignorant[average gym-goer] masses when it's not even similar.

[Jda777]

It's important to go straight to peer-reviewed data when evaluating something. That article from your link is piss-poor.

Doses shown to be anabolic(note: this includes cardiac muscle) in animal models are MUCH higher than supplemental human doses. Cardiotoxicity has been linked to taurine depletion(again, keep in mind these are much higher doses than would be used for fat loss purposes). Supplement with taurine for peace of mind RE that and it'll also help with the calf cramping. Bump up your electrolytes and that will help also.

I can understand you wanting to limit the things you ingest. I was just pointing out that it's lame IMO(on the manufacturer's part) to bank off of a name like that by appealing to the ignorant[average gym-goer] masses when it's not even similar.

I really don't care what you think of the name...it's their way of marketing. I'm just seeing if the drug helps with cutting or not. I think that is something everyone is interested in....

I supplemented with taurine when I took it, fyi. I read everything I can on stuff before I put it into my body. You can decide what level of clen is safe for your heart. I'll choose none.

The rats, although maybe dosing at higher amounts per kilo, got jacked up in four weeks. How many weeks of your life do you plan on taking clen....all I'm saying.

[Jda777]

Oh and btw - The walmart aakg gave me some solid pumps. $10 for 30 servings - let's see these supp companies try that. LOL!

I took 5 pills, so almost 2 servings, but stack that with an ECA, and you've got a great cutting/pre workout stack.

[Cinn]

You can decide what level of clen is safe for your heart. I'll choose none.

The rats, although maybe dosing at higher amounts per kilo, got jacked up in four weeks. How many weeks of your life do you plan on taking clen....all I'm saying.

Understanding dose-response curves is important to interpreting data.

[Jda777]

Understanding dose-response curves is important to interpreting data.

Show me a long term study of clen, and its effects on the human heart. Otherwise, I'm gonna stay away. I guarantee you it is having a negative impact on your heart's health. Whether you choose to believe or not is irrelevant.

[WhatsaRoid?]

Oh and btw - The walmart aakg gave me some solid pumps. $10 for 30 servings - let's see these supp companies try that. LOL!

I took 5 pills, so almost 2 servings, but stack that with an ECA, and you've got a great cutting/pre workout stack.

Great review and I'm digging the arguments I'm on clen now

[Jda777]

Great review and I'm digging the arguments I'm on clen now

Plenty of people take clen, I was one once upon a time. The things you don't think about now will haunt you later. I'm just saying, I would not always look to clen (the real stuff) whenever you are looking to cut.

I've realized in my years of trial and error, that having your diet 100% is the biggest thing.(I used to think I ate "clean" - but you need to be counting everything you take in - ALWAYS) Forget all the crap about supplements. If you want to get shredded, that should be perfect. I count calories, proteins, carbs, and fats. I take in exactly the amount I should everyday without fail. After starting a log of all my foods, and eating the right one's(with morning cardio) the fat started melting off.

Why F up your heart when you can do it without that junk. I think taking clen is stupid (no offense WHATSAROID - that is not directed at you) because getting lean can be accomplished just as easily having everything else in check.