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    Ok so I decided awhile back that I was going to run RPN’s Havoc. This will be my first DS that I’ve tried. I did decide against logging this but I’ve changed my mind. I know that I’m only 22 and that I’ve still got a lot of natural potential in me but I wanted to give this a try and get some real bulk on me. I haven’t just jumped into this.

    Anyway, I probably could of picked a better time to run Havoc…having a death in the family 2 weeks ago and my gf pretty much wanting to break up. I did put it back a week and started the day after the funeral..

    I’m currently on day 8 at 30mg. 20/30/30/40 is how I’m running the cycle.

    Diet:

    At the moment I’m running a standard bulking diet. I’m getting in 3,500-4000 cals a day.

    Protein sources: Turkey, red meat, whey protein, mince, Some chicken and tuna.

    Carbs: Mainly from whole-wheat pasta. Sweet potatoes and bagels if I’m working and don’t have much time.

    Good fats:
    EVOO, natty peanut butter, coconut oil.

    Fruit/veg: I’m getting in loads of these. Red onions, spring onions, blueberries, tomatoes, broccoli, pineapple, lettuce, bananas, peppers, green beans etc

    I could probably do with a bit more yoghurt in my diet!


    Training:

    4-5 days a week training.

    Day 1 - Shoulders
    Day 2 - Chest
    Day 3 - Back
    Day 4 - Arms
    Day 5 – legs

    Depending what I work it does change. But my hours are pretty decent at the moment so I’m getting 3 or 4 full days off a week. I like to mix it up a bit sometimes and do Back plus biceps, back and legs, shoulders and tri’s

    Sets and reps usually 4-6 sets and reps ranging from 10-15 normally 80% ish max effort. Quite like doing super sets lately.


    Supplements:


    I preloaded cycle support for a week before starting. I’m also taking separate doses of celery seed, milk thistle and saw palmetto. Dosing cycle support 2 scoops a day during cycle.

    Joint support:

    I started Osteo-Sport the same day as Havoc. Joints are starting to get real nice! Also fish oil caps 3600 EPA and 2400 DHA daily.

    Vitamins/minerals/anti-oxidants:

    Orange Triad
    Poseidon
    NoXidant

    Creatine:

    NeoVar Recomped

    Stims:

    RPM around 70-80 minutes pre workout

    BCAA/EAA:

    Purple Wraath
    Bullet Proof (I love this stuff!)
    Taurine

    Also Gut Health on waking.


    I decided to go with an OTC PCT. I can get emergency Comid if needed. Nolvadex too but would take 4/5 days to come in.

    Week 1 – post cycle support - Lean Xtreme. - IGF-2
    Week 2 - post cycle support - Lean Xtreme. - IGF-2
    Week 3 - post cycle support - Lean Xtreme. - IGF-2
    Week 4 - post cycle support - Lean Xtreme - 6-oxo 400mg - IGF-2
    Week 5 - 6-oxo 200mg -
    Week 6 - 6-oxo 200mg -
    Week 7 - 6-oxo 100mg every other day -

    I do have some spare Lean Xtreme from a previous bottle I could use if I extended it another week.
    EDIT: I changed my PCT up at the last minute and ran Tamoxifen 20/20/10/10. IGF-2 from day one along with Lean Xtreme and Post Cycle Support week 3 onwards
    I’ll be using the same support supps for PCT as I did on the cycle. Cycle support going down to 1 scoop a day. Bullet Proof will run out before PCT. I’ll run out of Osteo-Sport about a week into PCT as well.



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    Stress/Appetite
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    Strength
    Lethargy/Energy
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    Any questions please fire away. Hope to have you along for the ride, whoever you are

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    Quote Originally Posted by maurice02 View Post
    subbing......notice anything so far?
    i thought you'd be subbing! welcome aboard!

    I had quite a harsh back pump on sunday night. I did miss a dose of taurine post workout. It lasted around 3/4 hours. My pee has been clear the whole time since starting. I upped my water intake and taurine intake and i've been fine since. Doing about 2 gallons of water daily. Taurine in the morning, pre and post workout and later in the evening.
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    Cool beans man. Can't wait to hear about your progress. Good luck!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by maurice02 View Post
    Cool beans man. Can't wait to hear about your progress. Good luck!!!!!
    cheers I'm going to update later after work.

    I've also noticed that i've been less bloated around my mid section the last few days. I weighed myself almost everyday in the morning while pre loading cycle support and my weight was 187lbs. it's slightly down today.
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    subbin in here. Did you find a place to squat yet?
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    Subbed, looks good, sorry to hear about the funeral, i hope things straighten up for you soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inarius View Post
    subbin in here. Did you find a place to squat yet?
    welcome! Not yet, i'm hitting up some lunges,step ups, got the leg press too. I was going to start squats on the assisted smiths machine but the other gym has been shut since the 1st due to burst pipes lol. i'm making do with what i got at the moment

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    I'm in Chub!!!!!!!!
    welcome aboard!

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    Subbed, looks good, sorry to hear about the funeral, i hope things straighten up for you soon.
    cheers bud! Good to have you along for the ride!

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    I'll drop in from time to time when I get a chance bud. Good luck to you with this cycle.

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    This should be interesting Chub. Since we've both started around the same time we can compare our feelings and thoughts on the havoc. Just from previous experience. sleep wasn't a factor before on havoc the first time and my appetite went way up. Pumps were insane. more of a bulker for me that's why i chose to run it with the MMv2. I did however have some pretty brutal back pumps though. Taurine worked though @ 3gms a day. within 24hours after dosing i felt way better.
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    Day 8


    Sleep: Sleep has been good. I’ve only had one night since the start of the cycle where my sleep was a bit rough, that was day 2.

    Back pumps: Only had one back pump, which was on Sunday night, really quite harsh. I’ve upped my water intake since and Taurine and things have been better.

    Mood/Motivation: Motivation is awesome. Mood is alright. First 20mins of my shift at work were crap, really thought it would last all night but it got better and had quite an enjoyable evening.

    Pump and Vascularity: My palms and wrists are becoming really vascular, veins fade slightly as they go up my forearm. Pump is good. My chest is pumped and looking bigger from yesterdays workout.

    Stress/Appetite: was quite high before work, my homemade soup exploded out the tub all over my shakers and salad I was already late so it just pissed me off more lol.

    The first couple days seemed to be a bit suppressed. I just didn’t feel like eating, might have had sometime to do with my mood. I did get the cals in though.

    Libido: Through the roof. My wood has been feeling harder the last couple days too

    Joints: Feeling good, still a few clicks here and there.

    Strength/Aggression: It’s going up, murdered chest yesterday was great! My aggression has been great in the gym. I did snap at a customer on Saturday night, but that was due to him trying to break a chair. He kinda looked like he wanted to cry after I’d finished verbally raping him. Nothing too crazy though haha I’ve been in good spirits.

    Lethargy/Energy: Full of energy all the time. I’m like the energizer bunny!

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    Day 9


    Second day of 30mg. 3x RPM and 2x havoc pre workout.. Hit up back this morning.,Deadlifts, bent over rows, close grip lat pull downs, barbell upright row. Dumbbell rows. After an hour I felt like I could do another hour. Normally Id be puffed out. Sweating like a beast! After deads I just hammered through everything else, leaving 1 minute between sets. High reps too! Was great! Normally I leave minute and a half at least between sets but I was just full of energy. Lately after my workouts i'd be really shot and just ready to nap. Last couple of days i'm just bouncing off the walls

    Sleep: 7hours or so sleep last night. Woke up a bit groggy. Scoop of Poseidon on waking. The flush was pretty insane this morning considering I havent had a flush from Poseidon for a few weeks now. it sure woke me up.

    Back pumps: none today.

    Mood/Motivation: Motivation is AWESOME. Mood is great. Really cheery

    Pump and Vascularity: Veins in the back of my hands were popping out during my workout. Great pump in my lats and forearms.

    Stress/Appetite: no stress today, been an alright day so far! Appetite is good.

    Libido: normal today, Im sure itll creep up on me later in the evening

    Joints: Much the same as yesterday

    Strength/Aggression: Strength was good. Im really feeling the difference between 20mg and 30mg a day. Aggression is great in the gym. Quite calm the rest of the time.

    Lethargy/Energy: Full of energy all the time. Im like the energizer bunny STILL.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SamBoz19 View Post
    I'll drop in from time to time when I get a chance bud. Good luck to you with this cycle.

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    This should be interesting Chub. Since we've both started around the same time we can compare our feelings and thoughts on the havoc. Just from previous experience. sleep wasn't a factor before on havoc the first time and my appetite went way up. Pumps were insane. more of a bulker for me that's why i chose to run it with the MMv2. I did however have some pretty brutal back pumps though. Taurine worked though @ 3gms a day. within 24hours after dosing i felt way better.
    Nice to know your watching! I'm keeping an eye on your log too!
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    hey chub, are you keeping track of weight? do you plan on before and after pics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by maurice02 View Post
    hey chub, are you keeping track of weight? do you plan on before and after pics?
    My weight at the start was 187lbs. I'm keeping track in the mirror over weighing myself. It's funny how my weight goes up in the evening. Just weighed myself now, 197.8lbs, maybe i'm eating to much haha

    I'll see about getting some after photos, my cam phone sucks for detail though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chub View Post
    My weight at the start was 187lbs. I'm keeping track in the mirror over weighing myself. It's funny how my weight goes up in the evening. Just weighed myself now, 197.8lbs, maybe i'm eating to much haha

    I'll see about getting some after photos, my cam phone sucks for detail though
    yeah I hear ya. I kinda like how the mirror looks compared to the scale. I haven't changed my diet and pretty much tacked on 4 pounds in the passed two days. Looks leaner in the mirror but the scale says 230
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    Quote Originally Posted by maurice02 View Post
    yeah I hear ya. I kinda like how the mirror looks compared to the scale. I haven't changed my diet and pretty much tacked on 4 pounds in the passed two days. Looks leaner in the mirror but the scale says 230
    I'll post my weight tomorow morning see what it is then. I'm more pumped all day long. I'll update later on.

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    It was going to be "bulks up" but i used that in my last 2 logs title. I'm happy with what i chose!
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    Day 10


    Thursday was suppose to be arms and legs but I decided to take a day off. Friday (today) will be arms and legs, saturday shoulders.

    Sleep: 6hours, crazy vivid dreams! I got up at 7am then went back to bed again till around 11ish

    Back pumps: none

    Mood/Motivation: Mood was crap all day; I just didnt feel motivated at all. I think going back to bed in the morning made me groggy for the rest of the day. Watched DVDs most of the day. Mood did rise a bit in the evening.

    Pump and Vascularity: Palms and wrists really blue. Veins popping out my chest.

    Stress/Appetite: Appetite was crap all day but I got the cals in. Didnt have much for breakfast. Im eating a whole BIG pineapple every 2 days or so. Cant get enough of the stuff! Love it along with my meals

    Libido: normal, high in the evening.

    Joints: fine. Recovery has also increased quite a lot. Im not as sore after workouts.

    Strength/Aggression: N/A

    Lethargy/Energy: crap. Sported my NP hoodie as a I moped around the house all day. My bedroom is always freezing so it keeps me warm while I sit and watch Dvds on my days off! I wouldnt say the lethargy was related to the Havoc, more the fact that I didnt get that much sleep before getting up then going back to bed and napping.

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    Day 11


    Weight this morning 189.2lbs (+1.7lbs)

    It was going to be bi’s and legs today, was really looking forward to doing lunges but ended up doing biceps and triceps. Tomorrow will be shoulders and legs for sure!

    Arms blew up while doing biceps. My grip was so tight my forearms were bursting! Really hammered triceps too, burning at the end of the workout, was great

    Sleep: 7 hours. Bullet Proof knocked me out pretty well last night. Slight tingle, which I’ve only started getting the last couple nights. Think it’s due to shaking the container before taking it.

    Back pumps: none

    Mood/Motivation: I love the feeling I’m getting off Havoc. Dosing it along with RPM just makes for a killer workout

    Pump and Vascularity: I thought my forearms were going to burst. Veins popping out of my wrists and the back of my hands. I’m still feeling pumped up 6 hours later. Inner chest was rock solid after close-grip bench.

    Stress/Appetite: no stress today. Appetite is great

    Libido: high

    Joints: no problems today at all. Feeling great

    Strength/Aggression: Strength was good, nothing crazy.

    Lethargy/Energy: Arms were burning after my workout. Managed to get 5 sets of 10 dips out to finish off




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    update to come after i've had some grub! Awesome workout today
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chub View Post
    My weight at the start was 187lbs. I'm keeping track in the mirror over weighing myself. It's funny how my weight goes up in the evening. Just weighed myself now, 197.8lbs, maybe i'm eating to much haha

    I'll see about getting some after photos, my cam phone sucks for detail though
    so far we are experiencing same things bud.
    libido/appetite/vascularity/mood and weight fluctuation. pretty identical.
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    Day 12


    Bit late on the update! Shoulders and legs yesterday. Great workout pretty pooped by the end of it. Legs quite sore today when I bend down.

    Sleep: 7 hours, crazy vivid dreams again. I’m going to miss my Bullet Proof It’s almost finished now.

    Back pumps: mild back pump before the gym, soon forgot about it while in the gym.

    Mood/Motivation: Mood has been all right. In the evenings I just want to sleep.Motivation is good, looking forward to my next workout!

    Pump and Vascularity: Veins are pretty much the same as the day before. Arms are feeling hard almost all day now, same with chest.

    Stress/Appetite: not much stress. Appetite has been ok, few dirty meals here and there

    Libido: quite high. No sign of any shrinkage.

    Joints: Joints feeling real nice

    Strength/Aggression: Strength was good, nothing crazy.

    Lethargy/Energy: Getting quite tired in the evenings, trying not to nap, did miss one meal due to falling asleep. Energy is ok when I get going in the mornings. My endurance is definitely up!

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    Day 13


    Day off today. Woke up this morning and my whole body just felt numb and dead. Got going and went to work. Energy throughout the day was ok. Sleepy again in the evening, upper body starting to really harden up now. Id say Im looking wider Slight back pump this morning, went away quite quickly. Water intake is remaining high, pee nice and clear still.

    Cycle support is disgusting. Ive got the peanut butter flavour and I just hate it. I found a UK seller for life support so I bought a bottle Ill use for PCT. Hours at work are remaining pretty low still. 3 days off this week and 5 the week after so plenty time to train eat and recover!


    Quote Originally Posted by Bravoboy View Post
    so far we are experiencing same things bud.
    libido/appetite/vascularity/mood and weight fluctuation. pretty identical.
    I've not read much into MMv2 but your log is looking solid!
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    i could just go to sleep right now. but i'm on a spilt shift and have to be back to work in an hour
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    sounds like things are going good for you. Lethargy hit me hard end of week 3/beginning week 4. I am toast now. Only have a few days left though, but just tired.......

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