First in!! I hope you enjoy the PRIME as much as I did big V. Don't let the doubters, haters, and nay-sayers deter you from putting everything you've got into it. I know you won't. One has to put the necessary effort into all aspects of running any kind of "cycle", be it natty or otherwise. This involves diligence in the gym and at the table. I wonder if some of these haters put as much effort into their PRIME runs as they did into their denouncing it afterwards??!! I'd hate to be so shallow as to train like shit and eat like shit and then blame a compound for my lack of results. Sorry V. You said you didn't want ranting up in here. Well, this was just venting. LOL Go get 'em here big V!!!