AppNut: Neovar Recomped & Osteo-Sport
- 11-17-2008, 02:46 AM
AppNut: Neovar Recomped & Osteo-Sport
ill try to keep this short and simply. thank you to the guys at AN for this opprotunity. this will be my first time using neovar, and my third bottle of osteo-sport. im using the neovar per the "creatine non responders" threaded started a while back.
Bodyfat: 12-13% i think
Goal Lifts: (evaluations will be performed this week)
Squats Week 1: ??? Week 4: ???
Deadlifts Week 1: ??? Week 4: ???
Push-Ups: Week 1: ??? Week 4: ???
i will be dosing this at 3 caps, pre and post workout on training days, and a breakfast dose and dinner dose on non-training days. week 1 i plan on playing witht he carbs a little bit. going to try complex pre and post, complex pre / simple post, simple pre and post, etc etc. hopefully by the end of week 1 ill be able to tell which work the best in terms of the "food pump".
as i said, this will be my third bottle. i won this bottle in the picture contest thread (props to tex for thinking of that one haha). i absolutely love this stuff. i will, however, be going about my rehab differently this time. i know have prescribed physical therapy that i will be starting this week for my shoulder. it will be 2 or 3 times a week.
my doctor said i have a lot of tightness in my muscles, mainly shoulder, and that due to my stiffness i am irritating the tendons, causing pain. however its only when i move above perpedicular to my body. so my doc said as long as i keep my motion in that general area, and i avoid pain, im clear to keep shoulder and chest exercises in the regimen. woooo!
currently, my girlfriend and i are using defranco's "westside for skinny bastards" routine. one week done, and i like it. heres the layout.
day 1 max effort upper body
day 2 dynamic effort lower body
day 3 off
day 4 repition upper body
day 5 max effort lower body
day 6 off
day 7 off
lately, ive also been doing crossfit routines. sometimes i will substitute crossfit for dynamic lower, or on off days. tho i make sure not to compromise strength and energy for my max effort days. for example if im planning on hitting squats on day 5, i wont do a crossfit routine on day 3 or 4 which involves deads or air squats for high number of reps, both of which are common in crossfit routines.
im kinda rambling right now, so lets set this off! day 1 is tmrw.
- 11-17-2008, 02:47 AM
this was an awesome product. some aspects were better than others, but for the most part i would say this is yet another solid formulation from the boys and girls at appnut. let me go into my review further by looking at specific selling points of the product.
i noticed strength increases on all of my lifts. most noticeably in my chest exercises. going from doing close to no chest movements to giving it an adequate amount of volume has allowed me to rebuild my strength. this is extremely evident as of this passed week when i tried benching with a serious amount of weight for the first time in a year or more. previously, i was able to use 225lbs for a set of 8. with my current strength assessment, i was able to use 185 for 3 sets of 8, and 3 sets of 15 at 135lbs.
also, i noticed a profound increase in my strength and explosiveness with my first 4-5 reps. this was noticebale around the 3rd or 4th week.
i saw an okay increase in my weight. about 4 or 5 pounds. id like to think it was mostly muscle, but i could be wrong. diet has definitely been way in the surplus in terms of calories.
ive noticed my arms have gotten bigger, both bis and tris, and even my forearms. ive been given comments on my back thickness. my chest does seem to be a bit thicker. shoulders have come back up a little. traps have definitely improved. legs and calves have also come up a bit. though my legs are too hairy to really notice anything haha. might have to trim em up to meaure progress.
The pump was solid everytime. ive used a couple bottles of anabolic pump, and i would probably say i had better luck with neovar. i used complex carbs for almost every dose, though i did experiment a little bit with WMS. i also tried using white rice a couple times. nothing felt different with a simple source like white rice, so i continued to use the complex sources (whole wheat bread, whole wheat pasta, brown rice).
some sessions i had such intense pumps it was just pure pain. but most sessions were just pure bliss. usually lasted the rest of the day. i felt full and "hard", pretty much 24/7, now that i think about it.
i think this is really where this product shines. probably the most notable aspect of my run, was staying somewhat lean despite the, dare i say, extreme consumption of carbs. during this run i think i was eating probably close to 300-400 carbs a day. sometimes 200 but generally much higher. these were also sometimes later at night, possibly late as 1 am for a postworkout feeding of 1 cup oats and brown sugar.
and looking at my pictures, i gained a little more fat that i had thought, but still a lot less than i had expected with this sort of diet. especially this kind of diet for 6-8 weeks.
no water retention. however, i did notice a couple of other negatives.
first, with all of my postworkout meals, i felt EXTREMELY bloated and just full and uncomfortable. i didnt think much of this during the log, but in retrospect, i think i felt this every single time i had my postworkout. it made eating, as sad as it makes me, kind of a chore.
second, MAJOR gas. end of story.
ill definitely be using this again. however i only had similar increases from strength and recovery from the creatine aspect. i would be more interested in using this faithfully as a staple as the nutritent partitioner. i felt this was more effective and more potent than anabolic pump, and i think it would be awesome for all applications, including fasted cardio and workouts. so dirk, if you read this, ill be looking forward to this aspect as a standalone. or even in bulk!
and for osteo sport, refer to this review because it is my initial thoughts on the product, and my review still stands. even a few weeks after discontinuing use, shoulder problems are still close to nonexistant.
Top 3 Rows - Post Mass Fx - 11/1/08 - 194 lbs (about 2 weeks prior to start of neovar)
Bottom 3 Rows - Post Neovar: Recomped - 1/5/09 - 201 lbs (about a week and a half post neovar)
- 11-17-2008, 03:49 AM
As for whether or not complex or simple give a better 'pump', depends on whether or not you've done any training and the QUANTITY of carbohydrate that you take in.
Day 1 - 11/17/08
Neovar Dose 1: 3 caps, 20 mins later, 9 oz tuna on 2 slices whole wheat bread.
Neovar Dose 2: 3 caps, 20 mins later, 2 scoops ATW, 50g WMS
Osteo Sport: 4 caps empty stomach, first thing in the morning.
i forgot my logbook to record my numbers, but ill do my best to recall the weights, reps, sets, etc etc.
MAX EFFORT UPPER BODY
Weighted Push-Ups, Max Effort (feet elevated on box, hands on dumbbells with weight facing downward, allowing for a stretch, and plates loaded on back) <------ if you need further clarification, youre screwed haha
BW x 10
BW+25 x 8
BW+45 x 5
BW+70 x 5
BW+80 x 5
Push-Ups, Max Reps
BW x 15 (short of failure)
BW x 14 (short of failure)
BW x 14 (failure)
Seated Cable Rows, Close-Grip Handles -Superset- High Cable Face Pulls
180 x 12 -superset- 120 x 12
210 x 12 -superset- 140 x 10
195 x 12 -superset- 140 x 10
195 x 10 -superset- 120 x 10
135 x 12
225 x 12
275 x 10
225 x 10
EZ Bar Cables Curls
100 x 12
120 x 12
140 x 10
120 x 10
80 x 21 ("7"s style, lower half, upper half, full motion)
Forearms (Props to sinner for the workout. olympic bar. 10 normal wrist curls, 10 reverse wrist curls, 10 reverse curls)
did it for 2 sets, and my forearms are still burning!
had a pretty awesome workout today. might have been the neovar, might have been so stoked to be trying neovar, but had a tremendous pump. pretty much no shoulder discomfort during pushups and rows. weights felt great. usually im only hitting a few clean reps for that high weight on rows, but i only had maybe 1 or 2 momentum reps for the last couple sets.
did i mention i had a tremendous pump?! delts looked good, arms looked a bit bigger, chest was about to explode. and its always nice to have a workout partner who is also your girlfriend . im very happy were doing the same routine. i push her, she pushes me, its awesome. and then we eat like crazy after haha. truly a romantic couple.
i start physical therapy on wednesday. crossing my fingers to finally rehab my shoulder back to full capacity. im aching to get back to normal chest and shouler exercises! in time tho.
tmrw is dynamic effort lower body. box jumps, step ups, etc etc. should be fun.
i already did an unsponsored log and posted a final review a couple months back. heres the link:
as youll read in the review, i absolutely loved it.
No one notifies me, tisk tisk tisk. I have a bottle of neovar,drive, and igf2 im waiting to whip out in the next few months.
either way, i think you should give cissus a go. even if you just grab USP or primaforce cissus caps. just my $.02.
Day 2 - 11/18/08
i think ive offically got a cold. sore throat, cough, head hurts a bit. so, off day. im still going to dose neovar morning and evening.
morning will be with a couple packets of instant oatmeal.
evening will be with some sweet potatoes.
i knew i was due to get sick soon. i only get sick like once a year, but it usually takes me out for a few days or a week. bummer. hopefully resting all day will make tmrw a little better.
oh and i know the full line up is wicked. at the la convention im hoping to have some serious dough to buy a nice 2 or 3 month supple of drive, rpm, and osteo sport. maybe even a bottle of igf-2. especially if the prices are as rad as they were at the olympia.
I suggest grabbing a bottle of IGF2 bud. It's good stuff.
Check out my log if you haven't popped in already.
SFW and GFH
Day 3 - 11/19/08
Neovar Dose 1: 3 caps, 20 mins later, 2 packets of oats, approximately 45 mins pre w/o
Neovar Dose 2: 3 caps, 20 mins later, 50g WMS + 2 scoops whey
Osteo-Sport: 4 caps 15 mins before breakfast
Dynamic lower body, kind of. was a very on the fly type of workout. didnt follow my routine at all, but it was still a very effective leg day.
Leg Press (feet together, mid platform, passed 90º for legs)
*weight is total, not each side
6 plates x 20
6 plates + 50 lbs x 20
8 plates x 12 -rest pause- +8 reps
Sam's Static Squats (heels on 25 lb plates, 45lb bar on back for reps ATG, then a static hold in the bottom squat positions)
*credit to volcom for this move
20 reps ---> 40 sec hold
20 reps ---> 40 sec hold
20 reps ---> 60 second hold
Seated Calf Extensions
120 x 12
180 x 12
240 x 12
Seated Calf Raises
2 plates x 20
3 plates x 12
4 plates x 10
2 plates x 12
Lying Leg Curls
80 x 15
110 x 12
140 x 8
for the first time in a while, i had a pretty solid pump in my legs. not sure if it was from the 20 rep leg press, or the static hold squats, but my legs were like tree trunks.
i have to say, even though i have only tried 2 nutrient partitioning products (neovar and anabolic pump), i feel like neovar is so much more potent. all the doses so far make me CRAVE carbs. not quite a hypo feeling, but probably 15-20 minutes short of full on hypo. especially my post w/o dose. probably since insulin levels are leveled out and in the lower range, i feel it on a whole other level. and once the WMS starts getting in the system, feeling goes away, and i know neovar has done its job.
tmrw is repitition upper body. will be more strict on the workout. also hoping to get some morning cardio in. will probably pop an AP, do 30-40 mins light cardio on the bike or elliptical, then run home, pop my 3 caps neovar, scarf down my eggs and oats, then hit the gym again for weights with my gf.
and today i also had my first physical therapy session. showed me a round of exercises to do everyday, got a hot pack, cold pack, electro shock thingy, and some stretching. my shoulder felt great after. and osteo-sport, as usual, is keeping inflammation and discomfort to a minimum. woo!
Where in Texas are you Lifter? Houston here. Keep up the good work Roland. I think I might try a combo of super cissus rx and osteo sport. Since I really started focusing on working my legs more, my knees hurt when I walk and stuff. It hurts right on the top edge of the knee cap. Of course I am 85 yrs old.................... wait for it, wait for it......ok now that your lower jaw is back in contact with your upper jaw, I am really 41. Would that combo be ok, or is it over kill? I am also using some drive and neovar samples I got, and loving it so far. I take the drive along with rpm for my pre. Those samples sure working fine, but running out.....hint hint Lifter.
Thanks for the feedback guys......hold on my dentures fell out......oh where was I. Yeah, I will definitely get some osteo for my knees. Do any of you guys know where I can get some rims for my hoveround? I am entering a "Trick out my hoveround" contest...ok, seriuosly, thanks for the help guys. Peace Out.
Day 4 - 11/20/08
Neovar Dose 1: 4 caps, 20 mins later, 2 scoops whey in water, 2 packets oatmeal
Neovar Dose 2: 4 caps, 15 mins later, bowl of cereal, 2 cups skim milk
Osteo-Sport: 4 caps, first thing in the morning
repitition upper body (forgot my notebook again, ill do my best remembering sets and what not)
Push-Ups (feet elevated, hands on dumbbells faced downward)
BW x 12 (warm up)
BW x 20
BW x 14
BW x 14
Close Grip Pulldowns -superset- bent over reverse db flyes
180 x 10 -superset- 30's x 10
195 x 10 -superset- 30's x 10
195 x 8 -superset- 30's x 8
195 x 8 -superset- 30's x 8
Plate Pinch Upright Rows -superset- DB swings
25 lb plate (each hand) x 12 -superset- 40 x 12
25 lb plate (each hand) x 12 -superset- 50 x 12
25 lb plate (each hand) x 10 -superset- 50 x 12
Cable Pushdowns (EZ Bar attachment, inner grip)
100 x 15
140 x 12
170 x 10
200 x 10
200 x 10
the workout was actually cut short. i was supposed to superset the pushdowns with a shrugging movement, but i feel my sciatic nerve may be a little irritated, so i opted out of those today. my shoulder also started bothering me a little bit at the end of the push downs, so i didnt do my last exercise which would have been cable reverse curls, also one of my favorite exercises
other than that, it was a pretty awesome workout. strength was up for the pull downs. pushups also felt a little bit smoother today, in terms of my strength and joints. got a nice little pump doing the plate pinch upright rows. im not sure if i came up with those on my own, or saw someone else do em, but they feel pretty awesome.
tmrw is max effort upper body. not quite sure what im going to do yet, as i cant do deads, and im a little nervous to do squats. i may give front squats a whirl. who knows. i also have my second physical therapy appointment tmrw.
Day 5 - 11/21/08
off day. felt kinda crappy. cough and sore throat made it a pretty horrible day.
dosed osteo sport in the morning, dosed neovar once with some cereal (appetite was kinda shot).
Day 6 - 11/22/08
Neovar Dose 1: 4 caps, 15 mins later, 3 slices whole wheat toast with olive oil spread
Neovar Dose 2: 4 caps, 20 mins later, 1 cup oat with about 10 grams brown sugar, and 2 scoops of whey in a shake.
Osteo-Sport: 4 caps about 2 hours after first meal.
max effort lower body
Leg Press (weight is total, including both sides)
4 plates x 20
6 plates x 12
8 plates x 5
10 plates x 5
12 plates x 5
100 x 12
130 x 12
160 x 12
175 x 8
175 x 8
160 x 10
100 x 8
55 x 7
DB Stiff Leg Deadlift
45's x 12
65's x 12
80's x 12
100's x 12
Seated Calf Extensions
120 x 20
180 x 12
240 x 12
280 x 10 (PR!)
leg raises 4 sets of 10
crunches 20, 14, 12, 12
stomach vacuums 5 20 second hold with 20 seconds rest in between
awesome workout. had a mad pump in my quads the whole workout. and they were burning after the drop set for a good 20-30 seconds. im really enjoying the neovar with these pumps. its something ive noticed throughout the week, ive had an intense and lasting pump each workout. kinda realized it tonight.
im liking the 4 cap dosage. complex carbs seem to be working well. im going to try WMS pre and post w/o. tho i may have to grab some more to do this, as i think i only have one more 50g serving left. maybe ill use dextrose instead, or powder gatorade. either way, im going to use simple carbs pre and post.
and props to my girlfriend tonight. while hitting leg press, she had 6 plates + 50 lbs loaded, and apparently some dood walked by, looked at the weight, and kinda shook his head, thinking "this broad cant do this". she then proceded to complete the lift, and i noticed the guy just kinda looking in our direction for a good 20-30 seconds after she finished. so f*ck you douche bag! haha
its so fun doing a routine with your girlfriend. seeing her push herself more and more. quite awesome. and i know shell be reading this. as she recently signed up
im out. my sister is coming home for thanksgiving, so i gotta pick her up from the airport. EXTREMELY stoked about hanging with her all week. ill even be playing trainer and nutritionist all week, as she needs to lose some weight, and she asked me to get her ass in gear. tmrw is off, ill dose neovar with oats or toast in the morning, and pasta with my italian family at night.
tmrw is going to be a good day
Day 7 and 8.
no training, sh*tty diet (good food, just not enough), feel like crap still, a cough that wont go away.
hopefully i catch a break like tmrw.
osteo sport dose hasnt changed. neovar has only been once a day.
got a project to do for monday, a midterm for wednesday, and a food holiday thursday. i just hope im feeling better so i can enjoy all of that.
i also will be starting to use LG Sciences new BC+EAA. i only use bcaas on training days, and normally i have XTEND, but ran out, and got chosen to try this stuff out. ill be drinking it intra-workout.
other than that, i got nothing. hoping for a better day tmrw.
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