First LOG (ALRI Mass stack)

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This is my first post on Anabolicminds.com, as well as my first log that I have ever recorded. I have been lifting weights since I was 14, but with no real sense of direction until I was about 20. I am now just about to turn 24 and wanted to share my experiences on my first time stacking Jungle Warfare, Bad ass Mass, Pro Anabol, and Restore. I have tried all kinds of supplements in the past from BSN to SciFit to Gaspari. My problem is I have never been too great about staying with supplements for more than 30 days and I tend to over indulge in extraciricular activities. So here it goes, I will try and be as thorough as possible, and any suggestions and feedback is definately appreciated.

I was competing in triathlons all summer and as a consequence my lifting has suffered slightly. In order to better guage these results I spent 2 weeks prior to this log resting and did not engage in any weight training what so ever.

I will be following the 10 week cycle as prescribed on ALRI's website, following both dosage and length of time. I usually eat very clean all year, but will keep tabs on what I eat and when.

Duration: 10 weeks
Supplements: ALRI mass Stack (JW, BAM, Pro-anabol, restore)
Additional Supplements: Scivation Extend, Animal Pak, ALRI WTF pump'd, Enduromax (recovery drink I used for biking)

Measurements:
Height: 6'1"
weight: 174 lbs
Body Fat: 8%
Age: 23
Chest: 42"
Waist: 32.25"
back: (measured from one shoulder to the other) 22"
R arm flexed: 15"
L arm flexed: 15"
L calf: 14.5"
R calf: 14.5"
R Quad: 21"
L Quad: 20.5"
R forearm: 12"
L forearm: 12"
 
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Day 1 (11/3/08)

6AM - powerbar and glass of skim milk for breakfast, 1 JW
6:45 AM - 1 scoop of WTF pump'd with 20oz water
7:00 AM - workout (chest, biceps, some abs)
8:20 AM - PW drink (2 scoops ON whey, 1 scoop enduromax)
8:20-11:00 AM - sipping on 6 scoops of scivation extend
11:00 AM tuna fish, carrots, cucumbers, 4 egg whites, 2 eggs, strawberries, 1 JW, 1 animal pak
3:30 PM - 30 minutes basketball, 4 mile run @ 6:15 min/miles
5:00 PM - chicken wrap, couple sweet potato fries, 2 beers (it was pint night at mcnellies and I couldnt resist), 1 JW
7:30 PM - revolution bar, skim milk
8:00 PM - one scoop extend

Felt great to be back in the gym! Endurance was down slightly as well as strength. I believe my arms just needed to get used to the pumps that they had been void of for the last 14 days. Bench was quite a bit lower than normal, but still was able to get a good workout. WTF pump'd work well, similar effects to Gaspari Superpump or Kreation as far as PreW supplements go. I had great energy and great vascularity. The gym I attend does not allow any liquids other than water so I was unable to sip on extend during my workout.

DB flat bench --> 60 x 10, 75 x 10, 80 x 10, 85 x 8, 90 x 5, 90 x 5, 60 x 8
DB curls(each set between 1st 3 sets of db flat bench) --> 35 x 10, 40 x 10, 45 x 8
seated hammer curls --> 35 x 10, 35 x 10, 35 x 10
DB incline bench --> 55 x 10, 65 x 9, 65 x 7, 70 x 5
DB preacher curls --> 30 x 10, 30 x 10, 30 x 10 (superset each one with a set of incline press)
Incline Machine Press --> 140 x 10, 160 x 7, 160 x 8, 180 x 4
Weighted Side Bends --> 45 x 10, 45 x 10, 45 x 10
Sideways curl (ambiguous name at best) --> 32.5 x 10, 32.5 x 10, 32.5 x 10
Cable Flys ( superset with sideways curl and incline situps) --> 50 x 10, 50 x 10, 60 x 10
Incline situps x20, x20, x20
 
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My chest was already beginning to feel sore before I went to bed last night. Never had that happen on the same day as I lift before. I also became exhausted a lot earlier than usual, around 8:30 PM. Not sure if it is due to the supplements or first day back in the gym. Woke up this morning at 6:30 AM and felt great!
 
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Day 2 (11/4/08)

7AM - wheat pancakes w/ flax seed and oats, skim milk w/ 1 scoop whey protein, 1 JW
9:45 AM - 1 scoop of WTF pump'd with 20oz water
10:15 AM - workout (back, triceps, shoulders)
11:30 AM - PW drink (2 scoops ON whey, 1 scoop enduromax)
12:30 PM - footlong chicken breast from subway, 1 JW
2:30 PM - grilled shrimp and vegetables, animal pak
5:00 PM - grilled chicken, strawberries, black beans, 1 JW
7:30 PM - Grilled chicken breast, peanut butter cookie
10:00 PM - 16 oz skim milk

Another great workout. I really like WTF pump'd. I dont experience that huge rush of energy, but there is also no crash later on in the day. I just have great concentration throughout my entire workout. I felt slightly lathargic again today but then remembered I received a flu shot over the weekend, and have been experiencing a mild cold because of it. I will blame the flu shot for my symptoms.

Pullups --> x 10, 10 x 8, 15 x 6, 20 x 6, 25 x 6
Cable Lat pulldown (individual arms) --> 80 x 10, 90 x 10, 100 x 10, 120 x 10
Tricep extension (rope) (superset with lat pull) --> 50 x 10, 55 x 10, 60 x 10
DB shoulder press --> 50 x 10, 60 x 10, 65 x 8, 65 x 8
close grip lat pulldown --> 120 x 10, 120 x 10, 120 x 10
SKull crushers (superset with lat pull) --> 75 x 10, 75 x 10, 75 x 10
DB reverse flys --> 20 x 10, 20 x 10, 20 x 10
Barbell bench close grip --> 135 x 8, 135 x 8, 135 x 10
Single arm tricep extension --> 60 x 10, 60 x 10
Straight bar tricep extension (superset with single arm) --> 130 x 10, 130 x 10

Back and shoulders are already sore before I go to bed just like yesterday! I felt a little weak on DB shoulder press and was not able to put on as much weight as usual. Looking forward to lifting legs tomorrow morning!
 
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Good luck with your log.

What is your goal for this log?
 
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Thanks! I know its only been 3 days, but I have enjoyed it so far!

Im currently 174 lbs. I am a very hard gainer, and would like to try and cleanly add 10 lbs in 10 weeks. My goal is to see how effective these products are when stacked together by comparing overall price of everything I am currently using versus the performance increase. i.e. how much strength I ultimately gain as well as weight. I have been frustrated in the past when paying $30-50 for a supplement, only to see minimal, or if any performance increase. Hopefully this will be a great way to monitor any kind of results I achieve.

This log will be a tool mainly for myself, and hopefully others, to gauge the overall progress I am making and then use whatever knowledge I acquired to assist me in improving future workouts and supplementation.
 
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Day 3 (11/5/08)

6AM - wheat pancakes w/ flax seed and oats, skim milk, 1 JW
6:45 AM - 1 scoop of WTF pump'd with 20oz water
7:10 AM - workout (Legs, abs)
8:30 AM - PW drink (2 scoops ON whey, 1 scoop enduromax)
9:00 AM - sipping on 4 scoops extend
12:00 PM - pineapple, tunafish, kidney beans, 4 egg whites, 2 eggs
3:00 PM - revolution bar, 1 JW, 1 Animal Pak
6:30 PM - chicken and whole wheat pasta
9:00 PM - 1 bottle of muscle milk, a half a pomegranate (love this stuff, definately my favorite fruit, glad it is in season now!!), 1 JW
9:20 PM - sipping on 1 scoop of extend before bed

Here is where my stats are a little embarrasing. I havent lifted legs in 6 months due to my triathlon training regiment. However, I have decided to begin again, so bare with me as I hopefully make some significant progress.

I did not do as many ab exercises as I would have liked too, but I was running out of time and had to cut some of my workout a little short.

Squats --> 135 x 10, 155 x 10, 175 x 8, 185 x 6, 135 x 10
Weighted (25lbs) incline situps (superset w/ squat) --> x 20, x 20, x 20
single leg step up (box height=30") --> 15 x 10, 15 x10, 15 x 10 (per leg)
single leg calf raises--> 10 x 10, 10 x 10, 10 x 10 (per leg)
Incline leg raises --> x 10, x 10, x 10
seated leg press --> 270 x 10, 270 x 10, 315 x 10, 315 x 10
seat calf raises --> 55 x 10, 55 x 10, 55 x 10
single leg press (superset with calf raises)--> 135 x 10, 135 x 10, 135 x 10 (per leg)
Leg extension --> 80 x 10, 80 x 10, 80 x 10
barbell calf raises --> 75 x 10, 75 x 10, 75 x 10
 
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WTF Pump'd is definately much more effective on an empty stomach. I was rushed for time this morning and only had 25 minutes between breakfast and PreW drink. About an hour into my workout I began to feel fatigued. Did not experience this the previous 2 days when taking PreW drink on an empty stomach. I did however only get 6 hours of sleep the night before.
 
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Day 4 (11/6/08)

7AM - Kashi outmeal w/ 1 scoop whey protein, banana, 3 scrambled eggs, 1 JW
8:45 AM - 1 scoop of WTF pump'd with 20oz water
9:15 AM - workout (chest, biceps)
10:30 AM - PW drink (2 scoops ON whey, 1 scoop enduromax)
12:00 PM - 1 metRx protein bar, pomegranate, extend
4:00 PM - Revolution bar, 1 JW
5:30 PM - grilled chicken, pot roast, carrots, Animal Pak
8:00 PM - 16 oz skim mlik, lots of pot roast, 1 serving of Cherry Garcia FroYo

I realized I have not been consuming an adequate amount of calories the past few days, so today I tried as hard as possible to eat upwards of 4,000 calories. Very difficult since I do not have a big appetite to begin with. I am really feeling the effects of the leg work out day. Walking is definately a chore and every lower body muscle is sore to the touch!

BB Bench Press --> 135 x 12, 185 x 10, 205 x 4, 205 x 5, 225 x 1
BB Preacher Curl --> 70 x 10, 75 x 10, 80 x 10
Straight bar curl --> 65 x 10, 75 x 10, 85 x 10
BB incline Bench Press --> 75 x 12, 115 x 10, 135 x 10, 155 x 6
Machine EZ bar curls --> 130 x 10, 130 x 10, 130 x 10, 150 x 9
Incline DB flys --> 35 x 10, 45 x 10, 45 x 10
EZ Bar reverse Curls --> 50 x 10, 50 x 10, 50 x 10

My chest and triceps still had a lingering soreness from mondays workout. My bench is still down but hope to improve it in the next few weeks. Felt great all day, had lots of energy and never felt like I needed any caffiene what so ever.
 
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im in bro
finaly som 1 to use these products, i am eagrly awaiting your final review!!
GIVE IT HELL
 
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This log will be a tool mainly for myself, and hopefully others, to gauge the overall progress I am making and then use whatever knowledge I acquired to assist me in improving future workouts and supplementation.
Thats the best reason to log really.

I've run Proanabol with BAM with X-factor, and I got some really nice gains, but then i'm very much an easy gainer.
 
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Thanks! My goal is to leave it all in the gym everyday and leave feeling satisfied that I accomplished what I set out to do! I will hopefully get some before pics up as soon as possible! I wanna take them before I make any noticeable gains. That will make it easier to judge any progress that I have made.
 
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Thats the best reason to log really.

I've run Proanabol with BAM with X-factor, and I got some really nice gains, but then i'm very much an easy gainer.
Thats good to know! I am really curious to see how this stack evolves throughout the 10 week cycle. I am eager to find out how my body will respond to the various transitions from JW and BAM to BAM and ProA to ProA and Restore. Based on what you described and what I am anticipating, the best place for really solid gains is during the weeks of ProA and BAM and leading into ProA and Restore!
 
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Before Pics..Sorry about the quality and the poses, but I wanted to get these uploaded as early as possible and before I forgot. And if someone more fluent in posting pictures could please instruct me on how to post them directly on the forum instead of a link that would be much appreciated. Anyways I posted about 8 pics in my member gallery. Click the link below and it should take you to the first one. From here you can find all of them!

Start of Stack 11/5/08 - My Photo Gallery
 
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also how do i put a picture up for my avatar? I am tired of looking at a question mark as a face! lol
 
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it should be in your control panel, I think there is a direct menu item for it
 
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Day 5 (11/7/08)

6AM - 2 outmeal packets with ON whey, skim milk, banana, 1 JW
6:45 AM - 1 scoop of WTF pump'd with 20oz water
7:10 AM - workout (Back, Triceps, Abs)
8:30 AM - PW drink (2 scoops ON whey, 1 scoop enduromax)
9:00 AM - sipping on 4 scoops extend
10:45 AM - MetRx protein bar
1:00 PM - 4 egg whites, 2 eggs, tuna, kidney beans, carrots, cucumbers, pineapple, cantelope, 1 JW
4:00 PM - 1 serving cherry garcia FroYo, handful of walnuts
5:30 PM - grilled chicken breast, animal pak
7:00 PM - turkey sandwich on wheat with avacado, cheddar cheese, 1 JW
9:00 PM - 1 chicken breast, 1 small crown and diet coke

Machine Rows --> 1120 x 12, 130 x 10, 150 x 10
Back Extension --> 25 x 10, 25 x 10, 25 x 10
Dips (superset with upright rows) --> x 12, 45 x 10, 70 x 10, 90 x 5, x 12
Upright Rows --> 90 x 10, 135 x 10, 145 x 10
DB rows (per arm) --> 70 x 10, 75 x 10, 80 x 10
DB overhead Tricept extension (superset with Rows) --> 70 x 10, 75 x 10, 80 x 10
Leg Raises --> x 20, x 20
DB Front shoulder raises (per arm) --> 20 x 10, 25 x 10, 30 x 6
DB Shoulder Shrugs --> 75 x 10, 85 x 10
DB lateral shoulder raises (per arm) --> 20 x 10, 20 x 10, 20 x 10
Incline weighted crunches (Superset with shoulder) --> 10 x 40, 10 x 30, 10 x 20
Incline Leg raises --> x 10, x 10, x 10
Dips into leg raises (all in one motion) --> x 20
Bows and Toes --> 2 minutes

Another day of great energy. I was only able to get 6 and half hours of sleep last night but never felt tired or fatigued. I had another tremendous workout, albiet mostly alone since my lifting partner "became ill" halfway through the workout. I love the intensity I had in the gym, the WTF pump'd combined with JW allows me to to have tremendous focus and concentration. This is the same throughout the entire day regardless of what activity I might be involved in. All my muscles are beginning to look much fuller and I have gained 3 pounds, probably mostly water weight, but weight none the less.
 

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Wait. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the current formulation of JW contains a mild steroid. I hope you are aware of this before you go any further.
 
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DB overhead Tricept extension (superset with Rows) --> 70 x 10, 75 x 10, 80 x 10
that seems CRAZY strong for triceps db extensions, its as much as your bb preacher curls. my tris are nowhere near that strong. I guess part of it is me not doing dips tho
 
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that seems CRAZY strong for triceps db extensions, its as much as your bb preacher curls. my tris are nowhere near that strong. I guess part of it is me not doing dips tho
I do not think my triceps are that strong, yet, though I am very proficient in dips. So perhaps how I was describing the lift was slightly ambiguous. I am not quite fluent in the exact naming of every lift. In the excercise I was performing I took a dumbell in both hands and lifted it until it was completely over my head. I then lowered the weight behind my head, bending only at the elbows. The next motion was to lift the weight back up again from behind my head to above my head. That was one rep. Hopefully this helps clarify things! :lol:
 
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oh whew, it was both hands. I generally do them one handed. yeah, hmm I'm not sure what the names are for the variation of one or two handed now that you mention it :)
 
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Wait. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the current formulation of JW contains a mild steroid. I hope you are aware of this before you go any further.
I did a lot of research on JW and the other three products that I am currently trying. The forums and the literature are pretty sketchy at best. I have seen many posters describe positive effects from this product as well as a few point out several side effects that may occur. ALRI's website does distinctly say it is not a steroid, but in the past they have apparantly had issues with JW. Whether or not it is a mild steroid still remains a relatively unknown. The structure of the ingredient in JW has a steroidal backbone, which to me would indicate that you are correct, it is a mild steroid. I have taken PH's in the past and have had great success with no side effects to speak of (liver damage, raised chloresterol, gyno, etc.) To be on the safe side I will be monitoring all possibles sides during this stack as well as run a PCT following my test. Originally Restore was going to be my test booster/ PCT for this stack, but now there are some doubts as to whether or not restore could potentially be just a pro-hormone.

Here is a interesting post that I found on Bodybuilding.com forums.

Someone lab in europe tested it and said it found methyl-atd and byproducts due to the manufactoring process such as dianabol(a steroid).

This was ALRI's response...

"Please let me get this straight. So some junior arm-chair chemist has decided that the FDA (Trust me they have sampled our products MANY times) is incorrect as is our C of A?s, basic lab results and the effects of Jungle Warfare people realize and we sell D-Bol under a false label? Is that the jest of the idiocy?

I would say let it go because it would likely cause huge sales returns but I would not want our customers misled and be unhappy with the results expected to equal serious D-Bol use. We sell good products and stand by them.

As you know it has become common to use the boards as a means to put down other companies or point the FDA (yes, they read the boards as well. Any question of how factual this is you can ask someone I regard highly for his actual knowledge, Mr. Arnold?whom has unfortunately, and perhaps unfairly, had to deal with them in a less than positive way a great deal over the few years of recent) at a product hoping to reduce the competition or settle some silly personal agenda. Perhaps this is the case? Who knows but the author is not real bright. Either way this is why I do seminars when I can, but not post. In person or not at all. I wish I had the time to do some posting on occasion but as you know I actually have a company to run. We cannot afford to higher others to run it for us as some can. More power to them of course. I prefer to work anyway.

Okay, lets keep it simple without getting into science few would have a clue on?and Dutch Boy obviously would not. Please look below. I am sure you will see how the Dutch Mag arm-chair comic came to his conclusions. You will note that there are 1,4 bonds in the structures of Boldenone, D-Bol (Methyl-Boldenone), Turinabol, oral Turinabol, ATD (an aromatase inhibitor) and also in our old 17a-methyl-ATD. The first 4 are anabolic steroids the latter 2 are AI's) So one could say indeed they are related. Or we can describe them as various testosterone analogs if we want them to sound all cool and ?steroid?. Truth is that if it is hormonal it is steroidal in some manner. (Yup, and DHEA was going to make men out of boys?okay. Hmmm. Just because it is hormonal does not mean it will make you huge or grow a penis). But it does not mean it will add muscle at available dosages. In some cases the metabolites of 1,4 androst structures may cause a false D-Bol or Boldenone test result. So ATD is certainly not D-Bol but it is related as is Methyl-ATD. So is that the boys angle? Got it? Now, JW has an analog of ATD in it called 17a-methyl-5a-dehydroetiocholane-4,6-dien-3-one-17-ol = 6-dehydromethyltestosterone. It certainly could have anabolic value if dosed pretty high but certainly not comparable to D-Bol any more than 11-oxo-Testosterone is an illegal hard core steroid just because it is a testosterone analog. (Its in catfish so at least somewhat DSHEA friendly I would think).

1) D-bol= 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-1,4-androstadien-3-one (1-dehydromethyltestosterone)

2) Boldenone= 1,4-androstadiene-3-one-17β-ol

3) Oral turinabol= 4-chloro-17?-hydroxy-17a-methylandrosta-1,4-dien-3-one (4-dehydromethyltestosterone)

4) ATD=1,4,6-androstratrien-3,17-dione

5) JW compound =17a-methyl-5a-dehydroetiocholane-4,6-dien-3-one-17-ol = 6-dehydromethyltestosterone (JW compound)

Interesting thought is that 3,6,17-Androstenetrione (4-etioallocholen-3,6, 17-trione) is also related to ATD and therefore guilt by association to D-Bol. It would take a bit of a stretch to make that one work but hey, perhaps we can ask the Dutch lad to write copy for us if we opted to ever make it. Not! lol

So please do not let a few people get to you because they read something stupid somewhere. We do our job and don't piss on other peoples projects no matter how silly WE think they are."
 

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I did a lot of research on JW and the other three products that I am currently trying. The forums and the literature are pretty sketchy at best. I have seen many posters describe positive effects from this product as well as a few point out several side effects that may occur. ALRI's website does distinctly say it is not a steroid, but in the past they have apparantly had issues with JW. Whether or not it is a mild steroid still remains a relatively unknown. The structure of the ingredient in JW has a steroidal backbone, which to me would indicate that you are correct, it is a mild steroid. I have taken PH's in the past and have had great success with no side effects to speak of (liver damage, raised chloresterol, gyno, etc.) To be on the safe side I will be monitoring all possibles sides during this stack as well as run a PCT following my test. Originally Restore was going to be my test booster/ PCT for this stack, but now there are some doubts as to whether or not restore could potentially be just a pro-hormone.

Ok. You've done PHs in the past. I just wanted to make sure you weren't unwittingly popping your own cherry.
 
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Ok. You've done PHs in the past. I just wanted to make sure you weren't unwittingly popping your own cherry.
Its funny that you should mention that because the first time I unwittingly popped my cherry was about 2 years ago and I had no idea what I was getting into. A couple close friends of mine decided to try some PH's and without doing any research convinced me to try them as well! Long story short we made great gains in the gym and thankfully had no side effects to speak of. Which to me is quite amazing considering we were rather foolish with our lifestyles. Anyways the two PH's we stacked together were Methyl 1-P and ProMagnon, which were both found to contain potent steroids and subsequently banned! So i do appreciate your concern and I wish I would have had the same resouces then (such as AM) as I do now to help guide me through what can be a very deceiving and convuluted topic. (supplementation)
 
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Day 6 (11/8/08)

I was able to get a quick leg workout in today. It was slightly less than 45 minutes. I was in a hurry because I had to compete in a 4 mile pub run. Which was a blast but probably not the best for my 10 week cycle. The run involved chugging 3 pints of guiness during the 4 mile run. Which also included 2 complimentary beers at the conclusion of the event. I was able to eat healthy throughout the day, but had a minor set back with the consumption of 5 pints of beer. The winner received a $300 bar tab to McNellies irish pub, but the winning time this year was 19:36!!! A good 5 minutes faster than I was able to finish it in! WTF! maybe next year! lol
 
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Day 7 (11/10/08)

6AM - 1 cup oats, flax seed, ON whey protein, 1 JW
6:45 AM - 1 scoop of WTF pump'd with 20oz water
7:00 AM - workout (chest, biceps, some abs)
8:20 AM - PW drink (2 scoops ON whey, 1 scoop enduromax)
8:20-10:00 AM - sipping on 4 scoops of scivation extend
10:15 AM - revolution bar
12:00 PM - 1 mediterranean chicken wrap and a hi-protein banana smoothie from Big Al's (delicious), 1 JW
5:00 PM - Salmon, steamed veggies, 2 beers, 1 JW
8:00 PM - 2 grilled chicken breasts, peanut butter, Animal Pak
8:30 PM - 1 scoop extend

Another Monday morning....I was surprised to feel very well rested as well as a subtle desire to get to the gym! One week into my cycle and I can already feel my strength increasing. My bench is already back to where it was a few weeks ago, if not a little bit higher. I had great concentration today and my endurance through all my lifts was incredible. I gained 4 lbs in this past week, but like I previously mentioned its mostly water weight.

DB flat bench --> 60 x 12, 80 x 10, 95 x 9, 100 x 6, 105 x 4
DB curls(each set between 1st 3 sets of db flat bench) --> 35 x 10, 40 x 10, 45 x 8
Seated hammer curls --> 35 x 10, 35 x 10, 35 x 10
DB incline bench (single arm) --> 50 x 10, 50 x 10, 55 x 8
DB preacher curls --> 35 x 10, 35 x 10, 35 x 10 (superset each one with a set of single arm incline press)
DB Incline Bench Press --> 70 x 10, 75 x 9, 80 x 8
Hanging leg raises --> x 25, x 20, x 20
DB curls --> 40 x 10, 45 x 10, 50 x 6
Elevated DB pushups --> till exhaustion (25)
 
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Day 8 (11/11/08)

6AM - 1 bowl cereal, 1 bananaON whey protein, 1 JW
11:00 AM - 1 scoop of WTF pump'd with 20oz water
11:20 AM - workout (back, triceps)
12:40 AM - PW drink (2 scoops ON whey, 1 scoop enduromax)
1:00-4:00 PM - sipping on 4 scoops of scivation extend, I pure protein bar, 1 JW
5:00 PM - Chinese Buffet, I stuck with the Mongolian BBQ, so I was able to avoid all the oil and grease, but I was so hungry that I literally ate til I almost puked!, 1 JW
8:30 PM - 16 oz glass of milk (still full), 1 scoop extend

Pullups --> x 12, 10 x 10, 25 x 8, 45 x 6, 45 x 6
Machine Lat pulldown --> 120 x 10, 150 x 10, 150 x 10, 180 x 7
Tricep extension (rope) --> 120 x 10, 130 x 10, 130 x 10
BB shoulder press --> 95 x 12, 115 x 10, 135 x 8, 155 x 4
DB reverse flys --> 20 x 10, 20 x 10, 20 x 10
Barbell bench close grip --> 135 x 8, 135 x 8, 145 x 9
BB Shoulder Press (single arm) --> 40 x 10, 40 x 10, 40 x 10
Machine shoulder/Lat pull downs?? --> 120 x 10, 130 x 10, 140 x 10
Two handed DB tricep extension --> 75 x 10, 80 x 10, 80 x 10

I am really starting to notice my strength and endurance increase steadily. I did not have the same intensity or surge of energy throughout my workout today, but I was able to lift more than I have in a while. Pull ups with a 45 lb weight definately pumped me up as I was able to achieve 6 reps twice! I was really busy yesterday and as a result I was not able to eat very much until after 5pm...and boy did I eat!! The only possible side effect that I am noticing is that my body/ facial hair is growing a little bit faster than usual. Probably a result of a higher protein intake rather than Jungle warfare, but just thought I would point it out.
 
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Day 9 (11/12/08)

6AM - Oats, flax seed, ON whey protein, 1 JW
6:55 AM - 1 scoop of WTF pump'd with 20oz water
7:15 AM - workout (Legs, abs)
8:40 AM - PW drink (2 scoops ON whey, 1 scoop enduromax)
9:00 AM - sipping on 4 scoops extend
10:30 AM - Kashi Protein bar, 16 oz 2% milk
12:30 PM - egg whites, kidney beans, pasta salad, tuna fish, cucumbers, carrots
3:00 PM - left overs from lunch at 12:30
6:00 PM - whote wheat pasta, chicken breast
9:00 PM - protein shake with 2 scoops ON whey, milk

So today I was unable to wake up my room mate/ lifting partner this morning until late so I thought I would do a killer ab workout until he arrived at the gym!

Incline weighted situps w/ twists of 10 --> 10 x 10, 10 x 10, 10 x10
Incline weighted situps behind head (superset w/ previous) --> 10 x 10, 10 x 10, 10 x 10
Incline weighted crunches (superset w/ previous 2) --> 10 x 50, 10 x 50, 10 x 50
Hanging leg raises --> x 10, x 10, x 10, x 25
Incline Leg raises --> x 10, x 10, x 10
Weight incline side bends --> 10 x 10, 10 x 10, 10 x 10
Squats --> 135 x 10, 155 x 10, 175 x 8, 185 x 6, 135 x 15
Incline situps --> x 20, x 20
Single leg Squats --> x 10, x 10, x 10
Machine Leg Press --> 15 x 200, 10 x 300, 12 x 330
single leg calf raises--> 10 x 10, 10 x 10, 10 x 10 (per leg)
seated leg press --> 360 x 10, 360 x 10, 450 x 8
seated calf raises --> 90 x 10, 90 x 10, 90 x 10
Calf Raises --> x 20, x 20, x 20
Leg Extension --> 100 x 10, 110 x 10, 120 x 10
Standing single leg press --> 100 x 10, 100 x 10, 100 x 10
Bows & Toes --> 1 minute

Well my room mate took 35 minutes to actually show up so I did quite a bit of abs. My legs felt great today and I had a huge amount of energy and focus. If it wasnt for my 9:00 AM class there is no way I would have left the gym today! LOL...
 
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It is interesting to point out that for the first week or so while on JW, I felt very energized, very upbeat, and excited to perform the most menial of tasks. I have read elsewhere that some describe it as almost a euphoric experience. I seem to have felt similar effects..I would go out of my way to talk to complete strangers, I would attempt to help others who needed some assistance, and everything I did seemed to have a purpose, even if that purpose was just brushing my teeth! Anyways that sense of being I felt has partially faded and for the last 2 days I have been more easily irritated. However, that irritation seems to only stem from one person, and everyone else that I interact with, have failed to illicit an irritated response. Also, I have heard of users experiencing some pretty vivid and easily recollected dreams. I did not think that would be an effect for me, but last night for the first time I was having some very lucid and memorable dreams. I was also very aggressive and demanding in these dreams, usually summoning strength or emotions that I rarely feel in my own life.
 
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Day 10 (11/13/08)

7 AM - Oats, flax seed, ON whey protein, banana, 1 JW
8:55 AM - 1 scoop of WTF pump'd with 20oz water
9:15 AM - workout (Chest, Biceps)
10:30 AM - PW drink (2 scoops ON whey, 1 scoop enduromax)
9:15-10:30 AM - sipping on 4 scoops extend
12:30 AM - Fiesta Chicken Wrap, High protein smoothie from Big Al's
12:00 PM - egg whites, kidney beans, pasta salad, tuna fish, cucumbers, carrots
5:00 PM - 2 grilled chicken breasts, pineapple, grapes, animal pak
8:00 PM - turkey sandwich, avacado, cheddar cheese, 1 JW
11:00 PM-2 AM - 2 pitchers of beer

Ok so I had a few friends come into town yesterday and of course they wanted to go out and have some fun. I had a buddy playing music at a bar that I used to frequent, so I took them there. It ended up being $2 mini pitchers, so I over indulged ever so slightly and had two of them. Needless to say I picked up their tabs as well (under $30) haha! But I am definately paying for it today since I was only able to obtain about 5 hours of sleep compounded with a slightly annoying headache.

BB Bench --> 135 x 15, 185 x 10, 225 x 4, 225 x 3, 230 x 1
Pilates ball DB bench --> 55 x 10, 55 x 10, 55 x 10
Incline BB Bench --> 135 x 10, 155 x 10 (left shoulder started to really bother me, old football injury, so I negated chest for the remainder of the workout)
Preacher Curls --> 90 x 10, 90 x 10, 90 x 10, 80 x 10
From here my workout consisted of a whole slew of different bicep exercises. Unfortunately I neglected to record any of the exercises or weights that I was using. I stayed in the gym for approximately 45 minutes performing lifts that only activated my biceps. By the time I was ready to leave, I could barely move my arms! It was a great feeling and the pumps were pretty intense!!

I hit a bench max today that I havent achieved in over a year. However, I do believe it was attempting to put up over 225 lbs that caused me to reaggrevate my shoulder. The injury is not bad, and is easily remedied with a few quick and simple cable exercises. Upon waking today I checked for soreness and range of motion. I felt no pain and my shoulder felt flexible and strong. Now Im off to the gym!
 
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Day 11 (11/14/08)

8 AM - Oats, flax seed, ON whey protein, 1 egg & egg whites scrambled, 1 JW
9:00 AM - 1 scoop of WTF pump'd with 20oz water
9:30 AM - workout (Chest, Biceps)
11:00 AM - PW drink (2 scoops ON whey, 1 scoop enduromax)
12:30 AM - grilled chicken breast and whole wheat pasta
3:30 PM - handful of peanuts, tuna fish, apple
5:00 PM - 2 grilled chicken breasts, animal pak
8:00 PM - turkey sandwich, avacado, cheddar cheese, 1 JW
11:00 PM - 1 pint of beer

I must have been ever so slightly hung over today. The two pitchers of beer combined with only 5 hours of sleep resulted in a very nausiating feeling halfway through my workout. By the end of my workout I felt like I was going to throw up. I was still able to complete my workout and surprisingly throw up some pretty solid numbers on all my sets.

Lateral DB shoulder raises --> 20 x 10, 25 x 10, 30 x 7
DB shoulder raises --> 20 x 10, 20 x 10, 25 x 8
DB Shrugs --> 80 x 10, 85 x 10, 90 x 10
Skull Crushers --> 75 x 10, 75 x 10, 75 x 10
Rope tricep extension --> 130 x 10, 130 x 10, 130 x 10
barbell front shoulder raises --> 50 x 10, 50 x 10, 50 x 10
Cable Lateral Shoulder pulldowns --> 40 x 10, 40 x 10, 40 x 10
DB tricep kickbacks (per arm) --> 25 x 10, 25 x 10, 25 x 10
Seated Machine Row --> 150 x 10, 165 x 10, 165 x 10
DB Rows --> 75 x 10, 75 x 10, 75 x 10

After the final set of DB rows, the lactic acid build up and the continual intake of extend made me feel like I was going to puke. I called it quits after that and forced myself to somehow stomach down my post workout shake.
 
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Day 12 (11/15/08)

8 AM - Store bought muscle milk, south beach diet protein bar, 1 JW
9:30 AM - 1 scoop of WTF pump'd with 20oz water
10:00 AM - Legs, Abs
11:00 AM - PW drink (2 scoops ON whey, 1 scoop enduromax)
11:30 AM - whole wheat tortilla, 2 grilled chicken breasts, cheddar cheese, 1 JW
3:30 PM - handful of peanuts, Frozen Yogurt, pineapple
5:00 PM - 2 big servings of homemade lasagna
8:00 PM - protein shake with milk and 2 scoops whey, 1 JW
11:00 PM-2 AM - 2 crown & diet cokes, 1 pint beer

Machine Leg Press --> 200 x 155, 330 x 10, 400 x 10, 400 x 10
Seated Calf Raises --> 45 x 12, 70 x 10, 90 x 10
Incline Sit ups --> x 50, x 50, x 50
Back Extension --> 25 x 10, 25 x 10, 25 x 10
Leg Curls --> 80 x 12, 100 x 10, 120 x 10
Lunges (per leg) --> 50 x 10, 60 x 10, 70 x 10
Smith machine Squats --> 45 lbs on each side x 20, x 20, x 20
Ball crunches --> x 50, x 50, x 50
Standing calf Raises (per leg) --> 25 x 10, 25 x 10, 25 x 10
wall sits --> x 2 minutes, x 2min, x 2min
DB squats ( 40 lbs in each hand)--> 40 x 10, 40 x 10, 40 x 10
 
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Day 13 (11/17/08)

6 AM - Oats, flax seed, ON whey protein, milk, 1 JW
6:45 AM - 1 scoop of WTF pump'd with 20oz water
7:00 AM - workout (Chest, triceps)
8:50 AM - PW drink (2 scoops ON whey, 1 scoop enduromax) 1 BAM
11:30 AM - tuna, pasta salad, pinapple, cantelope, strawbeeries, 6 egg whites, cucumbers, carrots, 1 JW

Well I havent been sore in almost a week, so I thought it was about time I changed up my workout routine. This is something I tend to do every 2-4 weeks anyways. My previous 2 weeks looked like this MON: Chest, bi's, abs, TUES: back, tri's, shoulders, WED: Legs, abs, THURS: Chest, bi's, FRI: Shoulder, back, tri's, SAT: legs, abs. Now this week will look like this MON: Chest, Tri's, abs, TUES: Legs, abs, WED: Back, bi's, Thurs: Legs, Abs, FRI: Shoulder, Abs, SAT: bi's, tri's. This was also the first day that I added the Bad ass mass to my supplementation in addition to JW. This morning I weighed in at 183 lbs!!! WOW! That is 9 lbs in 2 weeks. I am optimistic that maybe a slight fraction of that weight is not water! :)

Incline DB Bench --> 60 x 10, 70 x 10, 80 x 10, 90 x 10, 95 x 5, 80 x 8, 70 x 9, 60 x 10 (only 30 sec rest between drop sets)
Dips (Superset w/ tri's extension) --> (slow and concentrate) x 12, x 12, 45 x 10
Overhead DB tri extension --> 65 x 10, 75 x 10, 75 x 10
Incline sit ups (10 seconds down) --> x 10, x 10, x 10, x 10
Skull crushers (feet off floor) --> 65 x 10, 65 x 10, 65 x 10
close grip w/ same weight following skull crushers --> x 10, x 10, x 10
weighted side bends --> 45 x 10, 45 x 10, 45 x 10
decline DB bench (Single arms) --> 65 x 10, 65 x 10, 65 x 10
Decline DB bench (superset with single) 65 x 6, 65 x 7, 65 x 8
10 sec decline sit ups (superset w/ previous 2) --> x 10, x 10, x 10
Rope tricep extension --> 100 x 10, 100 x 10, 120 x 9
single arm reverse tri extension --> 40 x 8, 40 x 8, 40 x 8
cable flys --> 50 x 10, 60 x 10, 70 x 10
machine flys --> 100 x 8, 100 x 8
Machine chest press (superset with flys) --> 180 x 8, 180 x 8
Close grip push ups (superset w/ previous 2) --> x 10, x 10
 
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Have had several comments from friends/ collegues asking what I was doing because they said my chest was looking a lot bigger!! YEA!! Now I just wish the same thing could happen with my arms!! Then again I have always had a greater propensity to gain mass in my chest and back then anywhere else on my body.
 
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sorry for my absence the last few days, I have been really busy with school, work, and family. I will be posting my last few workout days all at once, so bare with me.
 
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Day 14 (11/18/08)

6 AM - Fiber one cereal, banana, ON whey, milk, 1 JW
9:45 AM - 1 scoop of WTF pump'd with 20oz water
10:00 AM - workout (Legs, Abs)
11:30 AM - PW drink (2 scoops ON whey, 1 scoop enduromax) 1 BAM
12:30 PM - tuna, pasta salad, pinapple, cantelope, strawbeeries, 6 egg whites, cucumbers, carrots, 1 JW
3:00 PM - 1 revolution bar, 16 oz milk
5:00 PM - 2 chicken breasts, 1 JW
8:30 PM - Turkey and ham wrap, steam veggies, 1 BAM

BB Squat --> 135 x 15, 185 x 8, 185 x 8, 185 x 8
Incline Sit ups --> 10 x 10, 10 x 10, 10 x 10
DB Squats --> 40 x 10, 50 x 10, 55 x 10
Single leg calf raises --> 25 x 10, 25 x 10, 25 x 10
Box step ups (per leg) --> 15 x 10, 15 x 10, 15 x 10
BB calf raises --> 75 x 15, 75 x 15, 75 x 15
Leg extension --> 70 x 10, 90 x 10, 110 x 10
single leg-leg press --> 90 x 10, 90 x 10, 90 x 10
Calf press (superset with leg press) --> 90 x 10, 90 x 10, 90 x 10
Single leg curl --> 40 x 10, 40 x 10, 40 x 10
Cable squat --> 70 x 10, 80 x 10, 90 x 15

Today was an amazing leg workout day. I also introduced some plyometric exercises into my workout at the end. I had a great deal of energy, and the pumps in my legs were very intense. I also ran into an acqaintence of mine at the gym who was also working out legs. We combined our workouts and as a consequence my legs were sore the following day...Always a good feeling.
 
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Day 15 (11/19/08)

6 AM - Oats, flax seed, ON whey protein, milk, 2 eggs, 1 JW
6:45 AM - 1 scoop of WTF pump'd with 20oz water
7:00 AM - workout (Back, biceps)
8:40 AM - PW drink (2 scoops ON whey, 1 scoop enduromax) 1 BAM
11:30 AM - Tai Super buffet (all beef, chicken, pork, no oil)
4:00 PM - 1 banana, 1 apple, 3 servings low fat ice cream, 2 servings peanut butter
7:00 PM - 2 grilled chicken breasts, whole wheat pasta
9:30 PM - 2 scoops ON whey protein

pullups --> x 10, 25 x 10, 35 x 8, 45 x 6, 45 x 6
Lat pull downs--> 120 x 10, 130 x 10, 130 x 10
Machine Rows --> 110 x 10, 120 x 10, 120 x 10
Single arm lat pull --> 50 x 10, 50 x 10, 50 x 10
Incline rows --> 90 x 10, 115 x 10, 125 x 8
DB incline Rows --> 45 x 10, 45 x 10, 45 x 10
DB curls --> 35 x 10, 35 x 10, 35 x 10
DB rows --> 70 x 10, 75 x 10, 80 x 10
Preacher Curls --> 75 x 10, 75 x 10, 75 x 10
Hammer curls --> 40 x 10, 40 x 9, 40 x 8
DB curls w/ static holds --> 25 x 10, 25 x 10, 25 x 10
pullups (10 lower count) --> x 12
 
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Day 16 (11/20/08)

6 AM - Fiber One cereal, 2 eggs, On whey, 1 JW
8:00 AM - 1 scoop of WTF pump'd with 20oz water
8:20 AM - workout (legs, abs)
9:45 AM - PW drink (2 scoops ON whey, 1 scoop enduromax), 1 BAM
11:00 AM - 2 turkey sandwiches, 1 apple, 1 JW
4:00 PM - 1 grilled chicken wrap w/ avacado, 1 JW
7:00 PM - 2 grilled chicken breasts, 1 BAM
9:00 PM - baked salmon, 16 oz milk

20 min stair master
Cable Squat --> 70 x 20, 80 x 20, 90 x 20
Single standing leg press --> 100 x 10, 110 x 10, 110 x 10
Leg press --> 450 x 12, 450 x 12, 450 x 12
seated calf raises --> 90 x 12, 90 x 12, 90 x 12
seated leg extension --> 70 x 10, 80 x 10, 90 x 10
Single leg calf raises --> 25 x 10, 25 x 10, 25 x 10
Leg raises --> x 25, x 25, x 25
incline situps --> 25 x 20, 35 x 15, 45 x 10
Hanging crunches --> x 20, x 20, x 20
Weighted side bends --> 45 x 10, 45 x 10, 45 x 10
leg curls --> 110 x 10, 120 x 10, 120 x 10
bows & toes --> 2 min
20 min stair master

I added cardio at the beginning and immediately following my workout in place of additional weight lifting exercises. Surprisingly I felt a really good pump in my quads from just 20 minutes on the stairmaster. It felt great. I wont be able to work out tomorrow, so I will save shoulder and arms for saturday.
 
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Day 17 (11/22/08)

8 AM - whole wheat pancakes w/ flax seed, 2 scoops ON whey with skim milk, 1 JW
11:30 - 3 egg omelette w/ ham, spinach, tomatoes, onions, peppers, 1 BAM
1:00 PM - 8:00 AM - 1 scoop of WTF pump'd with 20oz water
1:20 AM - workout (shoulders, arms)
2:45 AM - PW drink (2 scoops ON whey, 1 scoop enduromax), 1 BAM
3:30 AM - 2 (1/2 lb) 94/6 lean burgers, avacado, whole wheat bun, 1 JW
7:00 PM - Fiber one cereal, pomegranate, 1 JW
8:00 PM - grilled chicken quesadilla w/ fat free cheese and whole wheat tortillas, 1 BAM

DB Shoulder press --> 55 x 10, 60 x 10, 65 x 10, 70 x 6, 70 x 6
DB curls --> 35 x 10, 40 x 10, 45 x 8
Tricep push down--> 150 x 10, 150 x 10, 150 x 10
DB shoulder shrugs --> 65 x 12, 75 x 12, 85 x 10
preacher curls --> 80 x 10, 80 x 10, 90 x 10
machine tricep overhead extension --> 120 x 10, 120 x 10, 130 x 10
lateral combined with forward DB shoulder raises --> 20 x 10, 20 x 10, 20 x 10
Single arm tricep pushdown --> 60 x 10, 60 x 10, 60 x 10
DB preacher curls --> 35 x 10, 40 x 10, 45 x 10
BB front shoulder raises --> 45 x 10, 45 x 10, 55 x 10
Machine curls --> 130 x 10, 140 x 10, 150 x 10
Machine shoulder/lat push downs --> 120 x 10, 130 x 10, 130 x 10
Reverse BB curls --> 50 x 10, 50 x 10, 50 x 10
Close grip BB bench --> 115 x 10, 115 x 10, 115 x 10
upright machine rows --> 120 x 10, 130 x 10, 130 x 10
DB curls til exhaustion --> 25 x 25 (per arm)
 
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I definately feel a lot more energetic and out going throughout the day. My workouts have been superb and I have no need for any additional caffiene during my regular everyday activities. I really enjoy the stack so far, even though I am worried that some of my good workouts and sustained energy could be placebo effect. The longer this keeps up, the more likely I can rule that out!! Making great strength gains every week so far, a slight increase in weight over the course of 3 weeks (9 lbs), although I am not entire sure what percentage of my weight gain is lean muscle compared to water.
 
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Day 18 (11/24/08)

7 AM - whole wheat pancakes w/ flax seed, 2 scoops ON whey with skim milk, 1 JW
8:45 AM - 8:00 AM - 1 scoop of WTF pump'd with 20oz water
9:00 AM - workout (Chest, triceps)
10:45 AM - PW drink (2 scoops ON whey, 1 scoop powerade powder, 1 BAM
12:00 PM - grilled chicken quesadillas w/ fat free cheese, turkey sandwich on wheat, 1 JW
4:00 PM - Fiber one cereal, apple with 4 tablesoons peanut butter
6:00 PM - grilled chicken breast, green beans, 1 JW
8:30 PM - Turkey sandwich on wheat w/ avacado, 1 BAM

I completely forgot to bring my notebook with me to the gym today. I was there for quite sometime and performed a whole plethura of chest and tricep exercises. I do not quite remember all the exact weights and reps, so in keeping with the integrity and accuracy of the log, I will not report my workout. The only exercise I do remember was my DB flat bench! My strength was unbelievable, and no matter how many sets I performed, I just could not seem to fatigue my muscles.

DB Flat Bench --> 65 x 12, 85 x 10, 90 x10, 95 x 9, 100 x 6, 100 x 6, 100 x 5

I have been doing plenty of cardio every week. I have no posted what I normally do, but I will briefly mention what my routine usually consists of. I log about 10-12 miles a week running, which is extremely low for me right now, but I am trying to gain as much muscle mass as possible. I also usually log about 40 miles a week biking. Lately this has been on a stationary bike due to weather conditions. I also play flag football twice a week for about an hour each session.
 
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Day 19 (11/25/08)

7 AM - Fiber one ceral, 1 JW
8:30 AM - 8:00 AM - 1 scoop of WTF pump'd with 20oz water
9:00 AM - workout (shoulders, biceps)
10:30 AM - PW drink (2 scoops ON whey, 1 scoop enduromax), 1 BAM
12:00 AM - chinese buffet!, 1 JW
4:00 PM - 4 scoops lean mass gainer (500 cals, 54g pro)
6:00 PM - left overs from chinese buffet, 1 JW
8:30 PM - 1 BAM, apple, 16 oz milk

Ok So i do not know why I decided to exercise shoulders again so soon, other than the fact that I wanted to, and my shoulders feel disproportionately smaller than my chest.

DB Shoulder Press --> 55 x 10, 65 x 10, 70 x 10, 75 x 5, 75 x 5
DB curls (superset w/ shoulders) --> 35 x 10, 40 x 10, 45 x 10, 50 x 8, 55 x 5
DB Shoulder raises (out, in, out) --> 15 x 10, 15 x 10, 15 x 10, 15 x 10
BB upright rows--> 80 x 10, 80 x 10, 90 x 10, 100 x 10
Preacher curls --> 75 x 10, 75 x 10, 75 x 10
BB single arm shoulder press --> 30 x 10, 40 x 10, 40 x 10
Curls (circle circuit) --> 15 x 30, 15 x 30, 15 x 30
DB Shoulder Shrugs --> 75 x 10, 75 x 10, 75 x 10
Machine cable shoulder/lat push downs? --> 120 x 10, 120 x 10, 120 x 10
DB sideways curls --> 30 x 10, 30 x 10, 30 x 10
incline DB hammer curls --> 35 x 10, 35 x 10, 35 x 10

Great workout, once again felt like I never wanted to leave!..Now that I think about it, I can not remember the last time I had a mediocre lifting day!! Chalk one up for ALRI so far!
 
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Ok so I have a couple odd things occur to me today. First, I woke up with a nice, new freckle on my stomach. Now I know what everyone is thinking, but I do not have a lot of freckles. This one is bigger than almost all of my freckles and it seemingly appeared out of nowhere in less than 24 hours. Just to make sure I wasn't crazy, I looked at pics I took just two weeks ago to confirm that yes indeed, that freckle was not there before. Now I am not sure if any of these ALRI products would cause such an eruption of melanin production, but its safe to say this has never happened before. Also I do not go tanning at all, and havent been in the sun with my shirt off in 2 months.

Second, I have a slight tenderness on my right side, directly below my lowest rib. Unfortunately, this is where my liver resides, and I hope its just a little sore from all the work I have been putting it through (high pro, lifting weights, evo stack) and nothing too serious. I will check again tomorrow.

Last, I am not sure if the combined efforts of all the supplements I am taking would in some way suppress my immune system, but I seem to be developing a cold, and a sore on the bottom of my tongue. Now I know this is the time of year that these things happen and should be considered normal. But, however small and insignificant these effects may be I am divulging them only because they happened while on this stack that I am logging for the first time. And while they seem unimportant now, they may in fact be linked to these products, but doubtful....
 

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