- 06-20-2008, 08:16 PM
1.) Do steroids really make your head bigger? I know it might happen to some guys, but most of my buddies and myself probably have heads that look small proportionate to our bodies. If this is true, what is the science behind it generally?
2.) I know this one has been battled back and forth since the dark ages, but is everyone who juices all of a sudden prone to MPB? I mean, look at Arnold when he was in movies - he had a full set of hair.
3.) Is it really bad for your heart or is that just for guys who pop steroids like skittles? Word has been going around the local gym that one guy died 35 years old from a heart-attack and apparently he only had a few years of steroid use in his early 20's.
- 06-20-2008, 08:21 PM
- 06-20-2008, 09:40 PM
- 5'10" 185 lbs.
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I believe it has been shown that Phera Plex and its clones DO enlarge the heart. There may be other steroids that do also. High blood pressure, which can be a side effect of AAS usage can cause an enlarged heart, so I sure wouldn't rule out #3.
06-21-2008, 12:02 AM
06-21-2008, 12:08 AM
1.) it doesnt enlarge the head, it enlarges the forehead and cranial ridge sometimes
2.) if u are going to be bald, that is already predetermined. the steroid use will only speed up the process
3.) they do enlarge the heart overtime... anything with high blood pressure will
06-21-2008, 12:15 AM
look at how many professional wrestlers died of heart attacks. its growth hormone that give you a big head. look up acromayalgy sorry cant spell
06-21-2008, 01:36 AM
What about the other myths, such as:
Permanent shrinking of the penis and testicles.
Steroids causing people to lose their minds, becoming violent, and murder others.
Permanently killing your libido.
Permanently causing you to become infertile.
Those are some of the other myths that I have heard about. Just thought I'd mention them.
06-21-2008, 01:53 AM
06-21-2008, 10:55 AM
-anything elevating testosterone can give u "roid rage" an exaggerated word for "irritability"
-steroids can cause u to be more irritable causing a shorter temper... murdering somebody? maybe in a spur of the momment fight, but not premeditated.
-permanent loss of libido and infertility is the closest to true out of the myths u listed... after prolonged use. ur hormones arnt ment to be constantly fuked with, doing so is a toss up... its medical uncharted territory
06-21-2008, 12:14 PM
#2 true to a certain degree
#3 true. Heavy A.A.S. usage enlarges the heart.
06-21-2008, 12:18 PM
- 6'2" 195 lbs.
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Has anyone mentioned Post-Cycle Therapy to you?
I had a girl friend in high school that fell in w/ "a bad crowd" & started doing meth: she died 6 months later as a result of an enlarged heart. Did she have a congenital defect? Could be; could be that a genetic defect is necessary to provide the basic potential, and that chemical abuse seals the deal.
Does this mean "steroids are bad for your heart"? No. being stupid is bad for your heart - and bad for everything else, too.
06-21-2008, 09:32 PM
Well with responsible use, most of these things don't really come into play...
06-21-2008, 09:41 PM
The enlargement is probably a results of 2 things:
1. You are taking steroids and the heart is a muscle. It works all the time. If it didn't you'd be dead. The steroids are not selective in the androgen receptors they hit.
2. As you get larger, it taxes your heart more to get that blood to your larger physique/body, so it works harder. This combined with steroid use is a recipe for an enlarged heart.
Most people who use steroids probably use clenbuterol which is touted for causing necrosis of the heart cells. This only mitigates the problem.
And of course your HDL/LDL levels shift in a bad direction.
I'm sure most IFBB pros have hearts the size of watermelons.
To each his own.
06-21-2008, 10:03 PM
06-21-2008, 10:04 PM
06-22-2008, 03:55 PM
I am sure i am going to repeat what some others have said but here goes:
1. no, steroids can enlarge the brow ridges and the jaw line, largely due to enlargement of the underlying muscles but "big head" is largely reserved for GH use.
2. Some are more prone to MPB than others, but if you use strong enough androgens for long enough period of time, you will lose some hair.
3. Steroids are inherently cardiotoxic. Even worse, the hypertensive effect and the negative effects on blood lipids is a potential recipe for disaster. There is not too much you can do about the cardiotoxicity but if you control the associated hypertension and lipid alterations, you can significantly improve your chances/.
06-22-2008, 04:36 PM
06-22-2008, 05:41 PM
06-23-2008, 12:36 AM
06-23-2008, 05:27 AM
The above blood tests are very common and are good indicators of cardiovascular health.
06-23-2008, 07:19 AM
unless you have good insurance, expect a full blood panel to cost you substantial money.
06-23-2008, 07:20 AM
some recent research has indicated that increasing the HDL in humans did not decrease the mortality rate.
06-23-2008, 11:31 AM
Wasn't there a sticky that addressed all this and which had research links as well? If not, one should definitely be on the table.
06-23-2008, 10:17 PM
Whooaaa....I'm thinking of trying my first ever cycle (havoc) in 2 months....been researching it for years....I'll be ready every step of the way, try to do everything right..... but this thread has me kind of freaked.
I don't want to do permanent damage to my heart from one cycle.....maybe it's not worth it.
06-24-2008, 07:10 AM
06-24-2008, 08:12 PM
06-25-2008, 08:33 AM
06-25-2008, 10:00 AM
2. Susceptibility to MPB is genetic. If you are susceptible, you will lose your hair quickly from the DHT increase of steroids. If you are not prone, you may lose some hair due to the DHT increase, but very little, similar to what 99% of most men will lose over their lifetime anyways. No man has the same head of hair in his 20's as he does in his 60's, with or without being prone to MPB. Plenty of users still have full heads of hair despite years of use - including me. Still, the addition of 1mg of propecia daily will dramatically decrease the likelihood of DHT related baldness (and protect your prostate from DHT as well).
3. Steroids will not cause your heart to grow, it is made up of cardiac muscle and steroids only affect skeletal muscle. However, steroids increase blood pressure and cholesterol. Other ancillaries such as anti-e's cause additional cholesterol. Throw that in with a **** diet and you have some heart issues awaiting an otherwise healthy looking person. Get your blood tested regularly.
06-25-2008, 10:09 AM
Steroids may cause high blood pressure which in many people makes them aggressive and angry. Roid rage has never been scientifically proven. However, you put an ******* on steroids, and guess what, he's still an *******, but then people blame the steroids.
Steroids have never been proven to cause any psychological issues of which you are describing. We have over 3 million users in this country alone, and we have three killings in 5 years in which the murderer was a known steroid user. (Titus, Benoit, Jacobs). The percentage of murderers in the non-steroid using population is significantly higher. Suck on that FOX News.
Libido - this is a possibility. Your body will never lose its ability to produce its own testosterone, but severe steroid abuse over many years can hamper it significantly. Lower natural testosterone = lower libido. Many long time abusers are on HRT for life (and guess what, not a single one of them is complaining about it). BTW this happens quite frequently in the non-using population as well - its called getting old.
There is no evidence that steroids lead to permanent sterility. Sperm count is certainly reduced on-cycle, but it almost always successfully restored post-cycle.
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