carey
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I am ending a cycle of anavar, I don't want to lose any (or much) muscle, any ideas as to what I should take?
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heh, it may not be! he may mean he's coming off in another 9 weeks and while he did not have the meds before hand, he knew he had plenty of time to prepare for his post cycle before hand.haha, a lil late now for this...
lol huge, i like that.What moron gave you that advice?
I'm gonna have to disagree with you size.... Correct me if I'm wrong.Anavar will suppress HPTA. Nolva should be used the day after you last tab used.
That's for SHORT TERM USE. Not only that, but BIGCAT doesn't specify what SHORT TERM USE is.
For all we know, what BIGCAT considers SHORT TERM USE, could be 1 week.
There's just not enough details.
Anavar will supress HPTA. The longer you use it and the higher dose you use, the more supression there will be.
Not only that but, BIGCAT has already admitted that he's made mistakes or "errors in judgement" in his older articles.
I don't know bro. The topic of discussion is anavar though. Each drug is different and reacts differently in the body.These things are all supressive, so why not anavar?
If you have a problem with him or what he says then debate the matter with him.The reason is that it does not have a negative feedback mechanism on the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis, meaning that during the intake of Oxandrolone, unlike during the intake of most anabolic steroids, the testes signal the hypothalamus not to reduce or to stop the release of GnRH (gonadotropin releasing hormone) and LHRH Luteinizing hormone releasing hormone)
I take that personally, as if you were referring to me and what I had to say.That is 100% complete BS
Plenty of detail here. You have to presume Big Cat was talking about normal "short" cycles, not abnormal ones, 1 week in duration. Let's be serious.That's for SHORT TERM USE. Not only that, but BIGCAT doesn't specify what SHORT TERM USE is.
For all we know, what BIGCAT considers SHORT TERM USE, could be 1 week.
There's just not enough details.
Not many and not often. Big Cat's mistakes are mostly on pro-hormones. They were new. But his steroid profiles are as good as they come.Anavar will supress HPTA. The longer you use it and the higher dose you use, the more supression there will be.
Not only that but, BIGCAT has already admitted that he's made mistakes or "errors in judgement" in his older articles.
Where did you get this from TheTom? Did you bother to read the article before you called it BS? Look up above.."he believes Anavar will not be supressive because it doesn't aromatize"
It's a known FACT, that Trenbolone, Winstrol, Methyl-1-test, Masteron, etc etc etc DON'T aromatize and WILL suppress you!
Generally, from what I've seen on this board, the only way to solidly come to a conclusion is by HARD evidence.... not opinion.If you need references to prove this, then sorry I don't have any
thats what ive read myself, and thats what makes sense to me. know a couple bros who took it at 40 and 50 mg daily and they were shut downHPTA suppression does occur when using anavar. I have seen bllod work to show me this. If you do not believe me then do not.
However, keep in mind that medical dosages of anavar are 2.5mg-10mg and HPTA suppression is not a major concern but rather slowing atrophy is of concern.
Typical anavar dosages for a bber is 30-60mg. At these levels suppression occurs. Take post cycle meds
Very wrong. To each his own.getting out of a outdoor pool on a cold day will lower hpta. the dudes claiming you need nolv or clomid probably have never done oxandrolone.
Many people believe that it is not suppressive. It seems to be a bodybuilding myth.Anavar not suppressive? LMAO
Glad I missed this one.
I know this and understand your point. However, there are lots of websites that claim the Loch Ness monster is real also but really it is just a myth.Although I now agree that evidence does show Anavar to supress natural test production... This being a considered a bodybuilding myth isn't accurate- Many sites claim this (that Anavar is not supressive)to be fact.
Most bros that do any amount of research will come across the same drug descriptions that I have... and these articles describe anavar as NOT being supressive. (If you don't believe me check out BigCat's Steroid description and also anabolicreview.com)
I'm not trying to kick up any dust... but it is an honest and reasonable conclusion that people come to.
Amen.
It's basically this. Exogenous hormones suppress, peroid. Some more than others but they all suppress to a degree.
Either way, your suppressed to a degree. THis goes for any nonaromatizing steroid.
Yes it is. I think of a bridge as reducing the drugs taken and using post cycle meds. So really, you never come off a cycle.Of course it can help you maintain mass, but it WILL keep you suppressed. In other words, the bridge theory is bunk.
You can bridge with Dbol, Anavar, Winstrol successfully.
Here is an article behind a Dbol bridge that might give some insight:
D-bol Bridge Explained by Fonz
I've been reading some of the posts regarding this
bridge and some of them are truly from left-field.
First of, this is a BRIDGE. OK? a B-R-I-D-G-E.
Your LH function and Test levels are supposed
to RECOVER.
Ok, now having said that.
Here's the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenelone,
brand name Dianabol.
10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone
by 50-70%.
The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by
its androgenic mode of action.
Androgens, in case you don't know, increase neuro-muscular
function, thus STRENGTH.
OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.
When are testosterone levels highest?
Answer: In the AM, thats when.
Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when tesosterone levels are highest.
When are Insulin levels lowest?
Answer: In the AM thats when.
Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
(Also fat, but protein is also being converted
to glucose via glucogenesis)
OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
(Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)
Lets take Subject X.
He's in bridging mode.
He has just woken up.
The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
creating a spike.
His insulin levels are low.
His LH and test levels are very low.
He pops 10mgs of dianabol.
Here is where things get interesting.
The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.
The body will be partially fooled.
It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
(above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.
In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
thus creating an "inflated" test spike.
Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
RECOVER over time.
Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
in the morning from low insulogenic levels.
HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.
You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
for this bridge to work!!!!
Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.
10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
(Probably less)
5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
LH function is allowed to up-regulate.
Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
thus not allowing LH function to recover.
Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.
The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.
So, here's the scenario summed up:
Beginning: LOW LH and test.
Adding the 10mgs dball.
LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
testosterone levels are kept at a level which
will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
reduction)
This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!
The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
of the way there but the only way you're going
to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
completely.
Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
(In case anybody is wondering.)
The difference is that with anavar you can take it
throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
once in the AM.
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