Decca and Test E help
- 05-07-2008, 12:00 AM
Decca and Test E help
Just lookin to get a green light for my first injectable cycle from some of you vets out there. Plannin on runnin..
Decca @ 300 mg/wk for wks 1-10
Test E @ 450 mg/mk for wks 1-12
for PCT ill be running Nolva starting two weeks after the last test shot dosing as follows...
wks 1 & 2 40mg/day
wks 3 & 4 20 mg/day
I have cabergoline to combat possible decca induced gyno, but should I dose it throughout the entire cycle? or only if and when gyno occurs? how should it be dosed? (have found varrying and conflicting information concerning this)
Any other advice yall can offer is welcomed and appreciated
- 05-07-2008, 02:48 AM
i would start your PCT 1 week after instead of 2.
other than that looks good
have fun, and get some coco butter and java soap for the stretch marks to come
05-07-2008, 02:51 AM
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05-07-2008, 10:39 AM
05-07-2008, 02:41 PM
Thanks guys, Ill definitely look into that nunes. Got plenty of time to iron out the kinks before I start
05-07-2008, 09:18 PM
Start pct 2 weeks after last test shot, this is standard time tested protocol, 1 week from the last shot you'll be far more suppressed by exogenus test (it has a half life of about 6-7 days), recovery begins after the aas have fully exerted their effects, not before.
05-07-2008, 11:18 PM
05-07-2008, 11:34 PM
reguardless he has a valid point. ive started pct earlier and later and find no difference. normaly ill start my pct a week after my last shot, and each time i recover just fine with bloodwork to show me im not just retarded.
05-08-2008, 04:04 AM
F PCT! what the he!! is that anyways? who needs it? ... haha sorry its been a long night (a good night, but long one)
05-08-2008, 04:13 AM
05-08-2008, 09:45 PM
As a matter of fact I'm running one at this very moment , not that you need to have used steroids to have a good understanding about them, My father is a renowned WWI historian but he obviously never personally fought in. I hope you didn't take what I said earlier in the thread personally dude, I meant no offense and I'm sure you know what you're talking about, I only meant to weigh in also... I just think it makes more sense to not start pct when the test has only exerted half of it's effect (ie: half life 6 days) Obviously he'll start when he wants, I just wanted him to have every bit of advice he could get, I assume that you agree with me there BTW you are obviously a proponent of starting 1 week after the last shot, I have heard of this but have never talked to anyone who does it, do you think this is supperior to waiting 2 weeks? If so why? Just curious. BTW looking good sportsbro.
05-09-2008, 06:54 AM
one thing that bothers me around the boards is seeing people saying to never run deca without test to minimize libido and test suppression sides, ok test will work on cycle but deca its a very long acting ester and after the cycle when off the deca and test, effects will continue to have an exist(and if deca its suppresive , well deca +test its 100% suppresion for sure) and when on pct you`ll not run test so ...
what I many times see its people saying that they took 6month to recover libido after a deca cycle but lets clear one thing, even if they had stacked with test the problem will subsist after the cycle.
deca IMO should be run in short cycles and low dosages , not to become a mass monster but to help joints to survive at weight overload and probably a good drug to people who only use aas in a mild manner.
for me more important than test its hcg on a long deca cycle
05-09-2008, 08:40 AM
05-09-2008, 09:11 AM
I made a general post about test/deca and suppression not for people who is cutting, but since you mentioned I dont expect people to bloat with 200mg deca.
By the way a lot of gurus out there (see books by ALR, Dave Palumbo, George Spellwin among others )defend the use of deca on this means , using AAS increase strenght and with that the joints will suffer and deca can help with that but its a controversial discussion and I `ll not discuss it with you so spare me of your irony
Again what I was trying to say its that using test with deca only solve test suppression while on cycle, but that will not solve the problem while on recovery, I don't like to see guys saying only to run deca with test and forgetting the post cycle problems that a cycle like this can bring(the deca **** can live for a very long time after the cycle is over , it doesn't matter if you had run test or not (and I`m sure you dont want to use test on pct , do you?)
05-09-2008, 10:26 AM
ive never had a problem recovering from 16 wees of deca at over 600mg i still recoverd to normal levels in 4 weeks.
05-09-2008, 11:12 AM
05-09-2008, 11:56 AM
the internet is full of parrots and garbage information which is why i tend to avoid google searching or listening to ppl on forums who probly weight 180 lbs and never ran AAS before.
05-09-2008, 11:59 AM
For those of you looking to use nandrolone as your only steroid, be aware that the gains on nandrolone are not only mild, but also quite hard to maintain. Nandrolone, in the first place due to its combined estrogenic/progestagenic properties, is quite suppressive of the natural testosterone production. Since it actively participates at three receptors its very quick and merciless when it comes to giving negative feedback to the release of gonadotropin releasing hormone from the hypothalamus. But then one also has to take into account its affinity for esterases, making it stay active in the body significantly longer than most hormones. Because that means upon cessation of nandrolone-use you'll still be under quite suppressive conditions, there simply isn't enough intrinsic anabolism available to support the mass you gained, resulting in a rather quick and inglorious reduction of weight
05-09-2008, 12:09 PM
many ppl i know have used deca alone and made great gains, i have used it solo also with a dbol jumper and made solid gains. just because somebody says it on the internet doesnt make it true. who the hell is big cat?
05-09-2008, 12:20 PM
I could put millions of articles that say that long deca cycles are dangerous if you love your balls but for you its a waste cause you always come back fine...
I just want to warn all the others that if you haven't got the same lucky that n666 you can be heading for disaster , so please do a research first and then take your chances ...
05-09-2008, 12:29 PM
i hear ya on that. cycles can be long as if bloodwork is done to ensure pct sucess. also people seem to think they can avoid using hcg during pct of cycles 12 weeks or longer OR with the use of deca or tren. my pct has hcg as well as both clomid for 2 weeks and tamox for 4. so its a pretty strong post cycle. i agree with u tho that people will jump on deca test and Dbol with tamox as their pct and wonder why their **** is limp 3 weeks after pct is over.
05-09-2008, 12:32 PM
05-09-2008, 12:37 PM
is that a joke? i get blood work done every 2 weeks on cycle and every month off cycle and my test levels are always within normal range when off. 600mg of deca really isnt that much and ive been cycling for over 8 years under doctors supervision. i dont need you to tell me to "research".
05-09-2008, 12:44 PM
Maybe you should read some of the other posts Neph has made, In which he states that he is close to getting his pro card, Has frequent blood tests and has used just about every AAS compound in existence, not to mention HE WEIGHS 260!! Not a fat @ss 260, maybe, just maybe he has some idea what he's talking about, so stop being a d*ck, he has every right to weigh in on the issue, just as you do.
05-09-2008, 12:50 PM
I really don't think its a good advice to suggest deca solo cycle for 16 weeks, if he`s using hcg(not advisable to use for long periods also) on cycle I can close my eyes but nunes is right when he says that deca is a drug that can bring a lot of future suppression sides
05-09-2008, 02:06 PM
05-09-2008, 02:07 PM
just one more thing to clarify this discussion,
Pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics of Nandrolone Esters in Oil Vehicle: Effects of Ester, Injection Site and Injection Volume -- Minto et al. 281 (1): 93 -- Journal of Pharmacology And Experimental Therapeutics
in this study made by organon(the creators of deca) we see that only 100 mg of deca cause almost 100% test suppression, well with 600mg and a 16 week cycle (without hcg while on) I suppose the balls will stay with the size of xtra small raisins in the end, and then the worst part, nandrolone esters can stay in the body for more than 12 months(depends on the individual) so this conjunction of factors can indeed be a real problem .
About hcg I got to say that people should read this thread :
HCG usage- on cycle, on pct or...never?
cause this is a helpful but also dangerous compound if we want our balls at 100% after a cycle
05-09-2008, 02:17 PM
05-09-2008, 03:20 PM
when did i ever say solo?? 16 week deca was not solo at all it was with test and primo. i HAVE ran deca solo but back before i had a strong grasp on AAS. i still made decent gains but ill be the first one to say deca should never be used alone. do people do it? yes MANY people run deca solo. is it better with test? MUCH better. and to be honest i dont use deca anymore for bulking because of price vs results, its better for joints while cutting, its like having freakin wd40 in ur joints
05-09-2008, 03:41 PM
deca,in a scientific point of view, is the most difficult drug to recover ,
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