POST PCT, Torem dosage HELP!!!!

[bwrestler31]

My left nipple has been itchy a lot for the last couple days. I've had a bit of gyno since I was 13 or so. I think it's getting more noticable, but only in my left nipple. I have torem. How should I does it?

 

[bwrestler31]

I also have epidrol, and since it suppresses estrogen I'm thinking maybe a week of epidrol then another 2 weeks of pct...????

 

[lennoxchi]

torm 120 mgs for at least 4 days........what kind of AI do you have around?

 

[bwrestler31]

torm 120 mgs for at least 4 days........what kind of AI do you have around?

Then do I taper down the torem??

I don't have an AI. I have cycle supports, retain, epidrol, and torem.

 

[lennoxchi]

Then do I taper down the torem??

I don't have an AI. I have cycle supports, retain, epidrol, and torem.

if you are having gyno flare up an AI is the way to go, what your going to want to do is destroy the estrogen, with "extreme prejudice"......torm will not do that, it will stop anymore from forming though......but for flare up Letro is the way one might want to go.......is it possible that you might be over-reacting? i know on a phera-plex cycle i did that, i used e-form for a couple of days then the flare up was gone....but it was mostly a freak out on my part.

 

[bwrestler31]

if you are having gyno flare up an AI is the way to go, what your going to want to do is destroy the estrogen, with "extreme prejudice"......torm will not do that, it will stop anymore from forming though......but for flare up Letro is the way one might want to go.......is it possible that you might be over-reacting? i know on a phera-plex cycle i did that, i used e-form for a couple of days then the flare up was gone....but it was mostly a freak out on my part.

I am prob. just freaking out. I've always had a little bit, but i think that since my chect grew a few inches it's just made it more noticable to me. I asked my buddy today if he can tell and he was like what are you talking about? So idk I think I'm going to leave it alone for now. I'm doing another cycle of epi in a few weeks, so if it is more then just a freak out epi/torem should kill it off.

 

[bwrestler31]

My left nipple is so itchy. It gets itchy, then the itch goes away. I took 90mg of torem a few minutes ago and will start taking 120mg every morning for the rest of the week.

I think I will also start epidrol and do a month at 20mg starting next week to help combat/prevent any gyno that might be trying to get out.

I have activate xtreme on hand also. What AI would you guys reccommend for prevention/reverse of gyno?

 

[lennoxchi]

My left nipple is so itchy. It gets itchy, then the itch goes away. I took 90mg of torem a few minutes ago and will start taking 120mg every morning for the rest of the week.

I think I will also start epidrol and do a month at 20mg starting next week to help combat/prevent any gyno that might be trying to get out.

I have activate xtreme on hand also. What AI would you guys recommend for prevention/reverse of gyno?

HOLD ON THERE KILLER.......you said that you might have gyno (maybe, maybe not) but you said it can up during PCT right? or no? if it did what did cycle did you run before the PCT and what was you last day of PCT......your still taking Torm for God sake......DO NOT throw another methyl into your body too soon......i know it's a mild one but it's not a good idea. when where you looking to start this epi?

 

[neoborn]

Most Importantly!

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/66113-no-excuses-no.html

SERM + P.C.T Guide

Now please, anyone is free to discuss this and tell me I've totally got it wrong or need to add something. Now with that said:

Bloodwork! I cannot / we cannot say this enough that it is highly recommended to get bloodwork so you know how to run your PCT and WHAT you need to run on your PCT.

1. SERM - Torem, Ralox, Nolvadex etc

Example Torem Dosing: - As per Interlocutor
Day 1-5 = 120mg Torm
Day 6-21 = 60mg Torm
Day 22-28 = 30mg Torm

Alternative Torm Dosing:
Week1: Days 1-3: 120mg Torm, Days 4-7: 90 mg Torm
Week2: 60mg Torm
Week3: 60mg Torm
Week4: 30mg Torm

You should monitor this carefully and will most likely bounce back rather quickly with this SERM as per reports given by experienced users on the board.


Example Nolva Dosing:
Wk1: 40,40,40,20,20,20,20
Wk2: 20mg everyday
Wk3: 10mg everyday
Wk4: 10mg everyday

I am not sure why anyone would go above these dosages, as per Dinoii, as the large body of studies / material backs up dosages no more than 40mg and mainly focuses on 20mg / 10mg dosage schemes. More is not better

2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe.

3. AI - Formestane(Highly Recommended), 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.

4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol

5. Test Booster - Good reviews or I have used: Sustain Alpha(Recommended), Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).

NON-Rx SERM + P.C.T Guide

1. Non Rx SERM - Post Cycle Support(Recommended), Sustain Alpha(Recommended)

2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe, Advanced PCT.

3. AI - Formestane(Recommended), Sustain Alpha(Recommended), 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.

4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol

5. Test Booster - Good reviews or have used the following: Sustain Alpha(Recommended), Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).

All of the products and protocols above are open to discussion. This is not a hard and fast list but a guide to help.

With that said Epistane style products on a non extreme usage style cycle are going to use a less extreme PCT. Better not to have huge hormonal swinging in either direction. Calm, steady and relative therapy is recommended.

Things To Note

1. You will most likely want to run your AI (Formestane) for a month or so after finishing your PCT therapy to make sure you experience no estrogen rebound / flooding. If you run your PCT for four weeks, as you ramp down on your SERM etc ramp up on your Formestane / AI so, to as keep your estrogen under control. There has been talk of SERMs actually exacerbating this problem due to kicking test up too high then *boom!* man boobs!

2. Once done your PCT, and AI time ramp it down slowly until about one month after PCT

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Anabolic Diet | Sample Bodybuilders Diet

 

[neoborn]

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[bwrestler31]

HOLD ON THERE KILLER.......you said that you might have gyno (maybe, maybe not) but you said it can up during PCT right? or no? if it did what did cycle did you run before the PCT and what was you last day of PCT......your still taking Torm for God sake......DO NOT throw another methyl into your body too soon......i know it's a mild one but it's not a good idea. when where you looking to start this epi?

I have a little. I always have. I just was not sure if it had grown or not. I did a cycle of epidrol. I then ran torem. My last day of Torem was in the middle of April. I'm taking an extra few days right now just to be safe. I'm prob. going to get back on epidrol or m-drol in June.