How much muscle

NE1

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This isnt a specific question, but how much muscle do you think its possible for a person to gain. I know genetics play a huge role in this person to person, but on average, with aas, how much can one expect?

There is this part of me that just wants to a freak, but realistically, my long term goals are the 220-230 range. This would be over 100lbs of mucle since I started working out...thats a lot of damn meat! Ive managed to put on about 50lbs, with no drugs so I'm thinking another 50 is quite doable.

Just something that has been on my mind during a boring day work.
 
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It's tough to say bro, everybody is different. Some people respond to juice and some actually don't. There really is no average. To many variables, be a little more specific on what you want to take. Later J
 
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Bro, have you heard of Doggcrap on Animal's board? I've started his program and it's awesome, every week i'm getting stronger just like he says. I've only been on it for less than a month so I can't really say too much, but if strength keeps improving as it has been, my muscles have no choice but to grow. Check it out...

Read the whole thread, it's really long but very informative.

http://www.animalkits.be/phpBB/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic=253&forum=11&start=0
 

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Wow A gain of 145lbs is pretty impressive. I guess thats the kinda the answer I was looking for. Not really curious about how much I will gain on my first cycle or anything like that, just curious as to how much extra muscle a person can gain. I guess I just never really realized how much I have gained till I actually stopped and thought about. I just can't see myslef at 125-130lbs like I used to be. I feel small and skinny at 180, just like I did back then. But thats 50lbs which really is a lot of meat, just amazed that guys can add 100lbs to what they "normally" were. Can you imagine what 100lbs of ground beef looks like...damn!
 

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Sikkdog has good advice, follow it. I took some of his principles and incorperated into my training. Another tip I can give you that I got from reading DC's 'cycles on pennies' is try upping your protein intake to 2gr per lb of body weight. Many people find that this does wonders for muscle growth. Think about it, if you always do the same ****, you'll always look the same. Move around heavier pondages and take in higher amounts of protein and your body will have no choice but to grow. I agree, DC's principles and techniques when correctly applied really do work.
 
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Bro, have you heard of Doggcrap on Animal's board? I've started his program and it's awesome, every week i'm getting stronger just like he says. I've only been on it for less than a month so I can't really say too much, but if strength keeps improving as it has been, my muscles have no choice but to grow. Check it out...

Read the whole thread, it's really long but very informative.

http://www.animalkits.be/phpBB/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic=253&forum=11&start=0

That's only true to an extent. Strength and Hypertrophy do go hand in hand for a large part, but strength has a lot more to do with neural adaption (increased recruitment of muscle fibers per contraction, increased firing rate of nerves, decreased contraction of protagonist muscles during the lift). The DC system may be more effective for strength gains, but as far as hypertrophic gains (increased contractile proteins), traditional lifts are actually better. You can get stronger without growing that much bigger.

Take power lifters, ever seen a 150lbs, skinny looking kid (or man) deadlift 4-5 plates. It doesn't look possible, that's because MOST of his strength are neural adaption, not muscle hypertrophy. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying DC isn't good at all, the originators of that whole concept of single set high intensity really goes back to Dorian Yates and then pushed heavily by Mike Mentzer who wrote books and did a million seminars (the only thing new about DC training is the "extreme stretching" which does not facilitate greater growth by potentially creating more room at the muscle sarcolemma) I know all the arguements backing DC because I used to be a huge advocate of high intensity. I converted all my workout buddies from traditional lifting to high intensity. It makes the most logical sense, more strength = more muscle, but that's not completely true when you know the science behind muscle behavior.

I will say DC is more effective if pure strength is your goal, but as far as bodybuidling, traditional lifts (which I'm not implying lacks intensity, 405lbs bent over rows for 12 reps is mighty intense) is your best option for muscle hypertrophy. Muscle doesn't just react to Load Intensity, which is all DC emphasis, but also Volume Intensity, which you don't get in the DC system.

Again, think back to the 150lbs kid who can deadlift triple his weight, his strength lies in neural adaption (increased recruitment of muscle fibers per contraction, increased firing rate of nerves, decreased contraction of protagonist muscles during the lift), not because of increased muscle size (hypertrophy). DC isn't a new concept (it's a new label on the old, old concept of high intensity. Look up Dorian Yates and Mike Mentzer, who I used to mentor), it's been argued by muscle physiologists for generations. Tons of studies and research comparing the two. Traditional lifting wins EVERYTIME, with ONE exception, beginning lifters respond to DC quicker, but that's only within the first 3 months of EVER touching a weight. Veteran lifters will find traditional lifting superior for muscle size.

Again, I'm not saying DC doesn't work, but as far as muscle hypertrophy and not neural strength adaption, traditional lifting is superior.
 

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