Methyl 1 Test now available for Research purposes!!
09-17-2003 02:24 PM
Well. I expect it to be very much like 1-test, just extremely amplified.
Expect pure lean body mass gains, without any bloat or water. And definitely expect your strength to explode.
Now if you increase your carbs, say 100 grams. Don't blame the steroid for bloating you, or increasing your water retention.
Because I'm pretty sure this new compound shouldn't do either of those things. Just pure lbm+strength.
I would start off by increasing my carbs by 50 grams and protein by a 100 grams. Don't make any drastic changes, until you've been on atleast a full week.
Some people make the mistake of eating 100-200 extra grams of carbs, and an insane amount of protein, before the stuff even kicks in. This'll just make you fat... I know because I've done it
09-17-2003 02:28 PM
I think the effects of this product are all a guess. Methylzing a steroid can totally change the way it acts in the body. Methylzing usually makes a steroid more powerful then the base steroid, but also more toxic. I bet this will turn out to be an awesome, strong and effective compound.
09-17-2003 02:41 PM
Would 40mg for 40 days be too much?
09-17-2003 02:45 PM
Homebrew Help, Inc.
As of right now the toxicity and potency is a little spectulative. I would think that it would be a bit too much but each person is different. I know of someone doing 10mg/day and loving it. I am going to do 30mg for 30days stacked with 300mg of 4-oh and 300mg 4-ad. As soon as I get my little supply.. hehehe TTY
PS We will know allot more very soon when allot of people start taking it. The reviews will be pouring in. But in that respect i woul dnot hesitate to grab some fast..
09-17-2003 02:47 PM
Running with the Big Boys
Based on what PA, BK, and BL have said, YES. Dont let yourself be an example. Originally posted by d piece Would 40mg for 40 days be too much?
Its like making a cake. Does doubling the heat and halfing the time make it done quicker, or does it destroy your cake? Be a good cake. Be safe.
09-17-2003 02:55 PM
Yeah thats why I asked, for instance its save to run dbol for that long at that dosage but not halotestin.
I guess ill get one bottle and run 30mg a day for 27 days (20mg on last day).
09-17-2003 02:58 PM
Oh yeah, and I'll be stacking it with 200mg a day of regular 1-test and OH-test and 300mg a day of 4-AD, all of these are transdermal.
09-17-2003 04:06 PM
curt, where can I find 4-oh?
09-17-2003 04:19 PM
Homebrew Help, Inc.
At you friendly neighborhood legalgear store... heheheh TTY
PS its OH-TEST....
09-17-2003 04:33 PM
Great job on this product Teamlegalgear. I will be trying mine as well!
09-17-2003 08:05 PM
why the 4-oh then. I thought that was a hydroxy version of 4ad. . Am I not thinking correctly or did you mistype that.
09-17-2003 08:12 PM
Homebrew Help, Inc.
The 4-oh is the 4-hydroxy-test or hydroxy test as some people call it. As far as I can tell people have been just leaving off the 4 for something to do.. Unless someone can correct me and I am a retard.. TTY
09-17-2003 09:06 PM
How much interest is there in a HydroxyTest Undecanoate lymphatic? I might be able to get 7 or 8 20ml vials for testing purposes. Anyone interested? I sure as hell am! HydroxyTest is an awesome compound IMHO, but that is just me. I really want methyl-hydroxytest...but we can always dream!
PS Curt, quit hijacking our thread!
09-17-2003 09:09 PM
I would love to try a hydroxy test undecanoate. I think it should prove rather well, The feedback on the transdermals is good, and the compound looks good on paper, we jsut need the right delivery system.
PS: methyl-hydroxy test and methyl-hydroxynandrolone are not as far away as you may think.
09-17-2003 09:12 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by legalgear.com
[B]How much interest is there in a HydroxyTest Undecanoate lymphatic? I might be able to get 7 or 8 20ml vials for testing purposes. Anyone interested? I sure as hell am! HydroxyTest is an awesome compound IMHO, but that is just me. I really want methyl-hydroxytest...but we can always dream!
I would make a great lab rat
09-17-2003 09:20 PM
You get either one and I am in. Methyl HydroxyTest would rock. Probably not as potent as Methyl 1-Test, but still a cool ass compound! Let me know if you want to work together on it!
PS read this and tell me what you think. I am already starting to mix compounds. I hate being a freak!
Please carry this link too... I don't care who you buy it from, just buy it!!!
09-17-2003 09:48 PM
09-17-2003 09:49 PM
Check out the list of studies on undecanoate esters and absorbtion in the ONE+ article at mind and muscle.com. Originally posted by legalgear.com How much interest is there in a HydroxyTest Undecanoate lymphatic? I might be able to get 7 or 8 20ml vials for testing purposes. Anyone interested? I sure as hell am! HydroxyTest is an awesome compound IMHO, but that is just me. I really want methyl-hydroxytest...but we can always dream!
PS Curt, quit hijacking our thread!
Absorbtion max 8% with a fatty meal. Other studies showed identical absorbtion with the base powder.
Testosterone Undecanoate (Ester)
T = Testosterone, no ester
TU = Testosterone undecanoate
100mg TU contains 63mg of testosterone.
Females were given 25mg T or 40mg TU dissolved inh oil. No mention of food. Bioavailability of T was found to be 3.66% vs. 6.83% for TU -- an increase of a mere 3% -- and peak levels were almost identical (28).
Hypogonadal (low testosterone levels)males were given 63mg of T or 100mg of TU or 100mg of TU with arachis oil. TU, with or without oil, achieved testosterone levels of 450ng/ml vs. 300 ng/ml -- a difference of only 50% -- no mention of whether it was taken with a meal or not.(29)
It should be noted, in regards to both of the above studies, that testosterone slearance from the blood is higher in eugonadal males (our target audience) than in hypogonadal males or females (30, 31) -- 675 l/day for hypogonadal vs. 1288 l/day for eugonadal, and dose corrected values indicate an area under curve that is 4-fold lower in men than women, following testosterone administration (29,32).
Eugondal (normal testosterone levels) males received 100mg of TU w/oil which resulted in testosterone levels of 6.4ng/ml, up from a baseline of 4.5ng/ml. Given the pharmacokinetics of TU, this would be equivalent to about 3-4% bioavailability -- no better than that of free testosterone (34).
Eugonadal males were given 63mg T or 100mg TU or 100mg TU dissolved in arachis oil with breakfast or without (32). T showed an increase of 12.5nm/l w/breakfast and 10nm/l without -- this represented a 40% higher area under curve than baseline. TU showed an increase of about 6-7nm/l w/meal and only 1nm/l without. It was actually LOWER than T!!! TU w/oil, on the other hand, increased by 25nm/l with a meal, and 11nm/l without. This is a decent study for the ethergels (4-6% bioavailability for TU vs. 2-3% for T), but very damning for the powder ether products. It should also be noted that the meal was 474kcal, 59% of which was fat -- this equals 31 grams of fat!! And, we have discussed the importance of fat for absorption.
Eugonadal males received 129mg TU w/oil which resulted in an increase in testosterone from 200pmol/l to 500pmol/l, with significant elevation for 6 hours. Given the 4 doses needed to keep levels elavated for 24 hours, one would need about 500mg per day. Given 5-10 mg per day needed to produce a eugonadal state and that 129mg of TU is equal to 81mg of testosterone, we get a bioavailability of 4-8%. Also, this was given with breakfast -- it does not say what kind, but one would assume it was the "standard" 31 grams of fat breakfast (35)
Last edited by ex_banana-eater; 09-17-2003 at 10:09 PM.
09-17-2003 09:57 PM
Can someone please explain it to him! So I won't get sued!
09-17-2003 10:13 PM
Are you talking to me or something? Originally posted by legalgear.com Can someone please explain it to him! So I won't get sued!
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