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the old formula had a pro steroid that according to PA was useless , the new formula has propadrol but its misleading cause this is not the steroid formula that they sell with the same name , est include only the ai that the original formula have.
I never tried this products so I don't really know if they are good or not but seems to me you have better pre workout formulas out there...
bump i just want to know if you need a pct or anything while on them,,,,,
with the old yes , the new can be used as a pct cause as I told you before it got a anti estrogen in it, not a steroid.
if you don't know what an AI is, its better for you to do a lot of research before go into this hormonal products.