OTC Hormone Chart

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    I've noticed tons of newbs and general ?'s lately about how to use compound X without even knowing what it is. Hopefully this chart I made can help clear up some continous general questions. If there's any suggestions for additions or modifications let me know. I want to thank Mass_69 for helping with some updates!


    Nomenclature/Chemical naming info:

    For reference:

    etioallocholan = 5a-androst = 'a skeleton' or 'a isomer'

    etiocholan = 5b-androst = 'b skeleton' or 'b isomer'

    17beta-hydroxy = 17b-ol

    estra = 19-norandrost



    1-AD (1-androstenedione) 1-androstene-3b,17b-dione or androst-1-ene-3b,17b-dione

    1-AD (1-androstenediol) 1-androstene-3b,17b-diol or androst-1-ene-3b,17b-diol

    4-AD (4-androstenedione) 4-androstene-3b,17b-dione or androst-4-ene-3b,17b-dione

    4-AD (4-androstenediol) 4-androstene-3b,17b-diol or androst-4-ene-3b,17b-diol

    1,4AD (Boldione) 1,4-androstadiene-3b,17b-dione or androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-dione

    M1,4AD (Dianadiol) 17a-methyl-1,4-androstadiene-3b,17b-diol or 17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol

    19-Tren X (Pro-Dienolone) 19-norandrosta-4,9-diene-3b,17b-dione or estra-4,9-diene-3b,17b-dione

    Max LMG 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one

    Orastan-A (Furazabol THP) 5a-androstano[2,3-c]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol ether

    Orastan-E (Stanozol THP) [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17b-tetrahydropyranol

    Halodrol-50 (Turinadiol) 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol

    Promagnon-25 (Methyl-Clostediol) 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-4-ene-3b,17b-diol

    Propadrol 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene-17 6-17 dihydroxyetiocholove-3-ol proponate

    11-OXO (Adrenosterone) 4-androstene-3,11,17-trione or 11-oxo-androstenedione

    Methoxy-TRN 17b-methoxy-trienbolone

    Methoxy-TST 17b-methoxy-trienosterone

    19-Nor (19-norandrostenediol) 19-nor-4-androsten-3b,17b-diol or 19-norandrost-4-ene-3b,17b-diol

    5AA (5-alpha-androstanediol) 5a-androstane-3b,17b-diol

    M5AA (Mestanolone) 17a-methyl-5a-androstanediol

    3-Alpha (3-alpha-androstanediol) 5a-androstane-3alpha,17b-diol

    M1T (Methyl 1-Test aka 17aa-1-testosterone) 17a-methyl-1-androstene-3-one-17b-ol or 17a-methyl-5a-androst-1-ene-3-one-17b-ol

    Superdrol (Methyldrostanolone) 2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol or 2a,17a-dimethyl-etiocholan-3-one-17b-ol

    Pheraplex (Madol or DMT) 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol or 17a-methyl-5a-androst-2-ene-17b-ol

    Ergomax LMG (Ergo Matrix) 17a-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane

    Epithio (Havoc or Epistane) 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol or 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol

    Methyl-D (Methyl Dienolone) 17a-methyl-19-Norandrosta-4,9(10)-diene-3-one-17b-ol or 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-estra-4,9(10)-diene-3-one

    M4OHN (Methylhydroxynandrolone) 17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-19-norandrost-4-ene-3-one or 17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-estra-4-ene-3-one

    4OHT (hydroxytestosterone) 4-hydroxy-androst-4-ene-3-one-17b-ol or 4,17-dihydroxy-androst-4-ene-3-one

    MDHT (methyl-DHT/mestanolone) 17a-methyl-5a-androstane-3-one








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    Below is information such as estimated half life and A:A ratio's on certain compounds. I'll update more as I find further info as much of it is compiled from original manufacturer claims and as such this should be used for reference purposes only. If anyone sees anything they can add or change please let me know.

    Anabolic to Androgenic ratio's based on original manufacture claims and Vida info. Note many other unseen factors come into play that aren't apparent in the ratio's such as progesterone activity, and how 'strongly' a compound binds to the androgen receptors. For example Masteron has a relatively low A:A ratio and a pretty low androgenic # of about 25 but it binds very strongly and/or with high affinity compared to other compounds. Q-Factor is the anabolic # divided by androgenic #. Some anabolics are listed with a 'range' for the most accurate possible estimate. Methyl Testosterone is the oral of which all other orals are compared, just as IM Test is to other injectibles:


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  3. Yeah really. Before I even activated my account on here I researched this site for almost a year. It still amazes me when someone 'pops up' outta nowhere and asks what Superdrol does. I seen some dude on another forum a couple months ago doing a mini-log/review of M-Drol (Super) and he said how incredibly strong it made him feel and how he would never workout without it again. Haha... he's probably dead now.
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    Ziquor is the AM member of the month!!!

    We used to have that award and the last one awarded that honor was me.

    Get over it though, you only have two days left in the month.
    We live in a time where our planet suffers from two epidemics simultaneously - starvation and obesity.

    Look at all these little kids taking care of the music biz, don't their business take good care of me.

    I have the fire, I have the force, I have the power to make my evil take it's course.

  5. Ya thanks! I knew those 3 credits in that Excel course would pay off some day. I just figured a 'quick reference' would be convenient.

  6. Has anyone ever run BOLD standalone and gained decent weight?

  7. is M1T actually banned or is there still a clone around somewhere ?

  8. M1T is banned.

  9. i read a post i think it was either on here or on muscletalk forom about 3 weeks ago about a guy who was on a M1T cycle, How coud he if it was banned ?
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    Because some people had the forsite to buy it before the ban. Or he bought it illegally, which of course we do not discuss here on the board.
    We live in a time where our planet suffers from two epidemics simultaneously - starvation and obesity.

    Look at all these little kids taking care of the music biz, don't their business take good care of me.

    I have the fire, I have the force, I have the power to make my evil take it's course.

  11. i dont understand, isnt Fast Action MD1T the same thing as M1T ? it is 17a-Methyl-Etioallocholan-2-Ene-17b-ol ?
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    Methyl-1-Testosterone (17alpha methyl-17beta-hydroxy-androst-1-ene-3-one)
    We live in a time where our planet suffers from two epidemics simultaneously - starvation and obesity.

    Look at all these little kids taking care of the music biz, don't their business take good care of me.

    I have the fire, I have the force, I have the power to make my evil take it's course.
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    17a-Methyl-Etioallocholan-2-Ene-17b-ol is possibly a variation of isomers of a Phera-Plex, Phera-Max, Methy-Plex, Ergomax or even DMT.

    It's not M1T.
    We live in a time where our planet suffers from two epidemics simultaneously - starvation and obesity.

    Look at all these little kids taking care of the music biz, don't their business take good care of me.

    I have the fire, I have the force, I have the power to make my evil take it's course.

  14. no it isnt, M1t is 17a-Mmethyl-1-androstene-17b-ol-3one

  15. Fast Action still sells M1-Test
    (17alpha methyl-17beta-hydroxy-androst-1-ene-3-one)

    Andro Technologies still sells M1T
    (17-Methyl-1 androstene-17b-ol-3one)

    and there are a number of legal sites that still sell them. Or are they only banned in the U.S. ???
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    It is saying the same thing:

    17a-methyl-1-androstene-17b-ol-3one

    17alpha methyl-17beta-hydroxy-androst-1-ene-3-one

    Real M1T is illegal in the US and personally I would not buy from anyone who did not have certs to validate material quality.

    Good luck.
    We live in a time where our planet suffers from two epidemics simultaneously - starvation and obesity.

    Look at all these little kids taking care of the music biz, don't their business take good care of me.

    I have the fire, I have the force, I have the power to make my evil take it's course.

  17. I wouldn't be suprised if Fast Action was legally making this in Europe. Hell they still use heroin (diamorphine) in hospitals to relieve pain and the US hasn't since 1912.

  18. what so you are saying fast action and andro technoligies are fake companies ?
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    No that is not what he is saying. What he is saying is that they may be European companies and in many countries besides the US these things are not illegal so they can produce and rtail within the law in their country.

    If you are a US citizen you still assume the risk of importing banned and controled substances just as if you bought traditional illegal AAS from some UG lab or some on line dealer.
    We live in a time where our planet suffers from two epidemics simultaneously - starvation and obesity.

    Look at all these little kids taking care of the music biz, don't their business take good care of me.

    I have the fire, I have the force, I have the power to make my evil take it's course.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    No that is not what he is saying. What he is saying is that they may be European companies and in many countries besides the US these things are not illegal so they can produce and rtail within the law in their country.

    If you are a US citizen you still assume the risk of importing banned and controled substances just as if you bought tradition illegal AAS from some UG lab or some on line dealer.
    Exactly. Thanks B... Matta - judging by your flag you're in Australia I assume? There may be a couple products available there we don't have & vice versa. But I'd be extremely cautious about thinking of buying from somewhere other than Australia (if this's where you do live). There's a few threads on here you may want to search for that discuss the strict importation laws, etc.

  21. i asked in post #7 if it is banned or if there is a clone somewhere and all you guys said no when i found out there was. M1T is still around and thats what i am trying to explain and they are from reputable companies. Yes i am from Australia and i have no problems getting stuff through customs, you just have to know how

  22. Just miscommunication. M1T is illegal in the US & some other countries as well. It's classified as a schedule 3 controlled substance here. It hasn't been available most places legally for a few years now. It's powerfull stuff - also probably the most dangerous & toxic stuff as far as orals go too. Be careful and good luck with your endeavor.

  23. where does anadrol fit on that list ? cos thats what im planning to run next ? or what is it closest to ?
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    POST #7
    Quote Originally Posted by mattakaspeeed View Post
    is M1T actually banned or is there still a clone around somewhere ?
    Yes, it IS banned. It is banned in the US and I am sure it is banned elsewhere as well.

    Had you mentioned that you were outside of the US then of course that would be different.

    If where you are it is not banned then there is really no reason for it to be a clone then IMO. If it is M1T that you want then be sure you are buying M1T and not a (bunk) clone.

    There are many many clones out there that claim to be the clones of this and that and rename themselves (chemical nomenclature BS) so they can get aroung the FDA (US agency). Then users report many different properties and characteristics from these "clones" that original did not produce.

    If it is M1T then it should have no need to be a clone...IMHO
    We live in a time where our planet suffers from two epidemics simultaneously - starvation and obesity.

    Look at all these little kids taking care of the music biz, don't their business take good care of me.

    I have the fire, I have the force, I have the power to make my evil take it's course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattakaspeeed View Post
    where does anadrol fit on that list ? cos thats what im planning to run next ? or what is it closest to ?
    You are slaying me dude

    Anadrol is an old school illegal (in the USand others) anabolic steroid that you will not find at the OTC supplement store regardless of your country of residence.
    We live in a time where our planet suffers from two epidemics simultaneously - starvation and obesity.

    Look at all these little kids taking care of the music biz, don't their business take good care of me.

    I have the fire, I have the force, I have the power to make my evil take it's course.

  26. Well lets say Anadrol was hypotheticlly not banned for a moment, what would it be closest to ?

  27. Quote Originally Posted by mattakaspeeed View Post
    where does anadrol fit on that list ? cos thats what im planning to run next ? or what is it closest to ?
    Yeah what B said... Anadrol has been illegal for years upon years unless your given a prescription but even that is highly unlikely. It's barely even used in medicine anymore due to the absurd toxicity it has. I made this chart to include the more popular, talked about otc "supplements". Even though Superdrol was marketed as methyl masteron, which chemically it is, it's actually derived from anadrol. It has similar properties though it's not quite as potent. Though for an OTC it's about as potent as you can get. It's pretty toxic too as far as your liver goes.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by mattakaspeeed View Post
    Well lets say Anadrol was hypotheticlly not banned for a moment, what would it be closest to ?
    6-dehydromethylcelltech

  29. Matt - you've lowered my IQ just for reading your posts.

    Thanks.
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    In!
    We live in a time where our planet suffers from two epidemics simultaneously - starvation and obesity.

    Look at all these little kids taking care of the music biz, don't their business take good care of me.

    I have the fire, I have the force, I have the power to make my evil take it's course.

  31. jmh80 for you to make a comment like that, i would say your IQ was already that low and you just relized it seeming it was you who told me there were no clones around when there is.
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    Show me where there is a CLONE of M1T.
    We live in a time where our planet suffers from two epidemics simultaneously - starvation and obesity.

    Look at all these little kids taking care of the music biz, don't their business take good care of me.

    I have the fire, I have the force, I have the power to make my evil take it's course.

  33. Anyone have experiences/opinions on mega dosing Halo? (Obviously not mega I just like the sound of it) I've seen numerous 'underdosed' posts and also I've seen 3 different logs now where people took 100mg for 4-6 weeks. All 3 of them claimed to put on 15lbs of mostly mass or more.

  34. am i allowed to post the link in this topic ?

  35. Quote Originally Posted by mattakaspeeed View Post
    jmh80 for you to make a comment like that, i would say your IQ was already that low and you just relized it seeming it was you who told me there were no clones around when there is.
    BRB misspellin' realized.

    Good job mate.


    I didn't tell you jack-sh*t about a clone - READ. I said it's banned in the US.

    Good Lord.

  36. you didnt say its banned in the U.S., you just said "ITS BANNED" and i asked if there were any clones or real M1T around which there still is D*CKHEAD. Read the f*cken question befor you open your mouth.

  37. Quote Originally Posted by mattakaspeeed View Post
    you didnt say its banned in the U.S., you just said "ITS BANNED" and i asked if there were any clones or real M1T around which there still is D*CKHEAD. Read the f*cken question befor you open your mouth.
    Why in God's name are you asking if there is a clone when you already apparently know there is a clone?

    Waste of board space.

    And read the topic before YOU open your mouth. Was this about obtaining M1T?
    NO.

  38. C'mon Matt this may fly on other boards but not here. You can't expect to jump on a board as a new member and insult some of the most respected members on here without getting the feedback that you are now. M1T was banned by the FDA (US Gov't) 4 years ago and from what I understand it IS illegal in Australia too. As are mostly all hormones. Australia's laws are even more strict than the US's. Just drop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattakaspeeed View Post
    am i allowed to post the link in this topic ?
    go ahead an send it to me PM
    We live in a time where our planet suffers from two epidemics simultaneously - starvation and obesity.

    Look at all these little kids taking care of the music biz, don't their business take good care of me.

    I have the fire, I have the force, I have the power to make my evil take it's course.

  40. Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    Anyone have experiences/opinions on mega dosing Halo? (Obviously not mega I just like the sound of it) I've seen numerous 'underdosed' posts and also I've seen 3 different logs now where people took 100mg for 4-6 weeks. All 3 of them claimed to put on 15lbs of mostly mass or more.
    I've used the Hammer sports version at 75 mgs and didn't see squat.

    I've got the original I'm going to use at 50 mgs sometime this year.
    I have hope for it - I've read much better reviews on the Gaspari version than really any clones.
  

  
 

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