OTC Hormone Chart
- 03-28-2008, 09:17 PM
OTC Hormone Chart
I've noticed tons of newbs and general ?'s lately about how to use compound X without even knowing what it is. Hopefully this chart I made can help clear up some continous general questions. If there's any suggestions for additions or modifications let me know. I want to thank Mass_69 for helping with some updates!
Nomenclature/Chemical naming info:
etioallocholan = 5a-androst = 'a skeleton' or 'a isomer'
etiocholan = 5b-androst = 'b skeleton' or 'b isomer'
17beta-hydroxy = 17b-ol
estra = 19-norandrost
1-AD (1-androstenedione) 1-androstene-3b,17b-dione or androst-1-ene-3b,17b-dione
1-AD (1-androstenediol) 1-androstene-3b,17b-diol or androst-1-ene-3b,17b-diol
4-AD (4-androstenedione) 4-androstene-3b,17b-dione or androst-4-ene-3b,17b-dione
4-AD (4-androstenediol) 4-androstene-3b,17b-diol or androst-4-ene-3b,17b-diol
1,4AD (Boldione) 1,4-androstadiene-3b,17b-dione or androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-dione
M1,4AD (Dianadiol) 17a-methyl-1,4-androstadiene-3b,17b-diol or 17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol
19-Tren X (Pro-Dienolone) 19-norandrosta-4,9-diene-3b,17b-dione or estra-4,9-diene-3b,17b-dione
Max LMG 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one
Orastan-A (Furazabol THP) 5a-androstano[2,3-c]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol ether
Orastan-E (Stanozol THP) [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17b-tetrahydropyranol
Halodrol-50 (Turinadiol) 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol
Promagnon-25 (Methyl-Clostediol) 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-4-ene-3b,17b-diol
Propadrol 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene-17 6-17 dihydroxyetiocholove-3-ol proponate
11-OXO (Adrenosterone) 4-androstene-3,11,17-trione or 11-oxo-androstenedione
19-Nor (19-norandrostenediol) 19-nor-4-androsten-3b,17b-diol or 19-norandrost-4-ene-3b,17b-diol
5AA (5-alpha-androstanediol) 5a-androstane-3b,17b-diol
M5AA (Mestanolone) 17a-methyl-5a-androstanediol
3-Alpha (3-alpha-androstanediol) 5a-androstane-3alpha,17b-diol
M1T (Methyl 1-Test aka 17aa-1-testosterone) 17a-methyl-1-androstene-3-one-17b-ol or 17a-methyl-5a-androst-1-ene-3-one-17b-ol
Superdrol (Methyldrostanolone) 2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol or 2a,17a-dimethyl-etiocholan-3-one-17b-ol
Pheraplex (Madol or DMT) 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol or 17a-methyl-5a-androst-2-ene-17b-ol
Ergomax LMG (Ergo Matrix) 17a-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane
Epithio (Havoc or Epistane) 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol or 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol
Methyl-D (Methyl Dienolone) 17a-methyl-19-Norandrosta-4,9(10)-diene-3-one-17b-ol or 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-estra-4,9(10)-diene-3-one
M4OHN (Methylhydroxynandrolone) 17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-19-norandrost-4-ene-3-one or 17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-estra-4-ene-3-one
4OHT (hydroxytestosterone) 4-hydroxy-androst-4-ene-3-one-17b-ol or 4,17-dihydroxy-androst-4-ene-3-one
MDHT (methyl-DHT/mestanolone) 17a-methyl-5a-androstane-3-one
Below is information such as estimated half life and A:A ratio's on certain compounds. I'll update more as I find further info as much of it is compiled from original manufacturer claims and as such this should be used for reference purposes only. If anyone sees anything they can add or change please let me know.
Anabolic to Androgenic ratio's based on original manufacture claims and Vida info. Note many other unseen factors come into play that aren't apparent in the ratio's such as progesterone activity, and how 'strongly' a compound binds to the androgen receptors. For example Masteron has a relatively low A:A ratio and a pretty low androgenic # of about 25 but it binds very strongly and/or with high affinity compared to other compounds. Q-Factor is the anabolic # divided by androgenic #. Some anabolics are listed with a 'range' for the most accurate possible estimate. Methyl Testosterone is the oral of which all other orals are compared, just as IM Test is to other injectibles:
Last edited by Ziquor; 07-14-2008 at 07:36 PM. Reason: Update: 7-14-08
- 03-28-2008, 09:47 PM
- 03-28-2008, 10:13 PM
Yeah really. Before I even activated my account on here I researched this site for almost a year. It still amazes me when someone 'pops up' outta nowhere and asks what Superdrol does. I seen some dude on another forum a couple months ago doing a mini-log/review of M-Drol (Super) and he said how incredibly strong it made him feel and how he would never workout without it again. Haha... he's probably dead now.
03-29-2008, 08:28 AM
Ziquor is the AM member of the month!!!
We used to have that award and the last one awarded that honor was me.
Get over it though, you only have two days left in the month.
03-29-2008, 09:22 AM
Ya thanks! I knew those 3 credits in that Excel course would pay off some day. I just figured a 'quick reference' would be convenient.
03-29-2008, 08:06 PM
Has anyone ever run BOLD standalone and gained decent weight?
03-30-2008, 11:27 AM
is M1T actually banned or is there still a clone around somewhere ?
03-30-2008, 11:55 AM
M1T is banned.
03-30-2008, 12:00 PM
i read a post i think it was either on here or on muscletalk forom about 3 weeks ago about a guy who was on a M1T cycle, How coud he if it was banned ?
03-30-2008, 12:03 PM
Because some people had the forsite to buy it before the ban. Or he bought it illegally, which of course we do not discuss here on the board.
03-30-2008, 12:25 PM
i dont understand, isnt Fast Action MD1T the same thing as M1T ? it is 17a-Methyl-Etioallocholan-2-Ene-17b-ol ?
03-30-2008, 12:35 PM
Methyl-1-Testosterone (17alpha methyl-17beta-hydroxy-androst-1-ene-3-one)
03-30-2008, 12:42 PM
17a-Methyl-Etioallocholan-2-Ene-17b-ol is possibly a variation of isomers of a Phera-Plex, Phera-Max, Methy-Plex, Ergomax or even DMT.
It's not M1T.
03-30-2008, 01:10 PM
no it isnt, M1t is 17a-Mmethyl-1-androstene-17b-ol-3one
03-30-2008, 01:20 PM
Fast Action still sells M1-Test
Andro Technologies still sells M1T
and there are a number of legal sites that still sell them. Or are they only banned in the U.S. ???
03-30-2008, 01:27 PM
It is saying the same thing:
Real M1T is illegal in the US and personally I would not buy from anyone who did not have certs to validate material quality.
03-30-2008, 02:20 PM
I wouldn't be suprised if Fast Action was legally making this in Europe. Hell they still use heroin (diamorphine) in hospitals to relieve pain and the US hasn't since 1912.
03-30-2008, 02:38 PM
what so you are saying fast action and andro technoligies are fake companies ?
03-30-2008, 02:44 PM
No that is not what he is saying. What he is saying is that they may be European companies and in many countries besides the US these things are not illegal so they can produce and rtail within the law in their country.
If you are a US citizen you still assume the risk of importing banned and controled substances just as if you bought traditional illegal AAS from some UG lab or some on line dealer.
03-30-2008, 02:51 PM
03-30-2008, 03:01 PM
i asked in post #7 if it is banned or if there is a clone somewhere and all you guys said no when i found out there was. M1T is still around and thats what i am trying to explain and they are from reputable companies. Yes i am from Australia and i have no problems getting stuff through customs, you just have to know how
03-30-2008, 03:09 PM
Just miscommunication. M1T is illegal in the US & some other countries as well. It's classified as a schedule 3 controlled substance here. It hasn't been available most places legally for a few years now. It's powerfull stuff - also probably the most dangerous & toxic stuff as far as orals go too. Be careful and good luck with your endeavor.
03-30-2008, 03:13 PM
where does anadrol fit on that list ? cos thats what im planning to run next ? or what is it closest to ?
03-30-2008, 03:16 PM
Had you mentioned that you were outside of the US then of course that would be different.
If where you are it is not banned then there is really no reason for it to be a clone then IMO. If it is M1T that you want then be sure you are buying M1T and not a (bunk) clone.
There are many many clones out there that claim to be the clones of this and that and rename themselves (chemical nomenclature BS) so they can get aroung the FDA (US agency). Then users report many different properties and characteristics from these "clones" that original did not produce.
If it is M1T then it should have no need to be a clone...IMHO
03-30-2008, 03:19 PM
03-30-2008, 03:21 PM
Well lets say Anadrol was hypotheticlly not banned for a moment, what would it be closest to ?
03-30-2008, 03:25 PM
03-30-2008, 03:27 PM
03-30-2008, 03:32 PM
Matt - you've lowered my IQ just for reading your posts.
03-30-2008, 03:36 PM
03-30-2008, 03:38 PM
jmh80 for you to make a comment like that, i would say your IQ was already that low and you just relized it seeming it was you who told me there were no clones around when there is.
03-30-2008, 03:40 PM
Show me where there is a CLONE of M1T.
03-30-2008, 03:46 PM
Anyone have experiences/opinions on mega dosing Halo? (Obviously not mega I just like the sound of it) I've seen numerous 'underdosed' posts and also I've seen 3 different logs now where people took 100mg for 4-6 weeks. All 3 of them claimed to put on 15lbs of mostly mass or more.
03-30-2008, 04:03 PM
03-30-2008, 04:09 PM
03-30-2008, 04:12 PM
you didnt say its banned in the U.S., you just said "ITS BANNED" and i asked if there were any clones or real M1T around which there still is D*CKHEAD. Read the f*cken question befor you open your mouth.
03-30-2008, 04:22 PM
03-30-2008, 04:24 PM
C'mon Matt this may fly on other boards but not here. You can't expect to jump on a board as a new member and insult some of the most respected members on here without getting the feedback that you are now. M1T was banned by the FDA (US Gov't) 4 years ago and from what I understand it IS illegal in Australia too. As are mostly all hormones. Australia's laws are even more strict than the US's. Just drop it.
03-30-2008, 04:35 PM
03-30-2008, 04:39 PM
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