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  1. No ones going to flame you bro.....

    I just done like the scare tactics and once called out on it, he wouldnt admit thats what it was when it was quite obvious. And then to hold a debate with him and trying to defend myself from being bashed was like sucking tit through a sweater.....but I guess Im not "witty" enough to do both at the same time Its me and the common folk against Dante's whole "crew" and you guys jump my **** for not seeing eye to eye.

    Anyways to the big picture.... The ban date has been set, no matter how many letters are written, its not going to change, I apologize for not understanding politics or being 'head-pimp of a supplement industry, but this is obviously over with.

    Once again, the governing body of the NCAA doesnt govern the US. I see the link, but still, the United States government is a much bigger fish.

    I honestly dont know what else to say. The day protein is banned is the day anarchy will arise.


  2. I think each "crew" has gotten involved plenty in the arguments and IIRC you inserted yourself into the argument. Dante was trying to give the issue a sense of urgency; the protein issue got way overblown and took on too much prominence in the discussion.

    I'll say again, that I'm surprised to see you give up on the cause so easily. You struck me as someone who would fight. It may be over, it might not be, but either way I want to fight so I can buy what I want.

    The NCAA example is used to show what influence the group has already been able to peddle. Before it happened you might have thought it was ridiculous for them to tell athletes how much protein they could take in or not allow creatine. Yet it happened. Easily. Remember vitamins were almost controlled for the entire country. It took a huge media effort involving hollywoods top stars to stop it and it was close for a while.

    As I said i the other thread -- there really is no point in arguing this. I just wanted to clarify the point and respond to that santa bull****...
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  3. Originally posted by Dio
    I think each "crew" has gotten involved plenty in the arguments and IIRC you inserted yourself into the argument. Dante was trying to give the issue a sense of urgency; the protein issue got way overblown and took on too much prominence in the discussion.
    I am 1 person. I am a nobody. What would you like me to do? Write the government a letter like everyone else? Or do you want me to get in my tree stand and begin picking them off? I hate to be a smartass, but Ive been driven to this point. Everyone tries to play me off as someone who just flames and doesnt mind my business and thats cool. People like Dante and his arrogance make me just want to sit back and watch this all crumble. I figured you would cling to his side since he obviously has clout I do not, and thats cool too. We're all used to it, Im used to it. I inserted my self simply to reassure everyone of the mindless ploy to get everyone to write the goverment, So I am writing the goverment, and telling them to leave protein alone. You guys do your thing, Ive said 100 times now, I am NOT for the banning of pro hormones!

    As for the Santa comment, I was just bringing some comic relief to a incredibly worthless argument.

  4. People like Dante and his arrogance make me just want to sit back and watch this all crumble. I figured you would cling to his side since he obviously has clout I do not, and thats cool too. We're all used to it, Im used to it.
    I don't "cling" to Dante; I support his arguments. I do this because I tend to agree with him on most things and because I have a lot of respect for him. You don't seem to understand this, but then again you don't seem to understand a lot of things lately.

    Again with the "we" bull****. Who's we? Who are these faceless people who have so many opinions about me?

    The argument was far from worthless. I don't know how else to explain it to you. Your mind is closed.

  5. Oh and you were the advocate of not getting personal and taking this off topic? You again attempt to trash me and for you? Because I dont agree with you and Dante? **** that man, thats lame as hell. Not everyone will agree with you in life man, might as well face that now. How many times have I said "i do not agree with the banning of pro hormones"? What else do you want from me Dio....would you like me to write a letter?

    I understand a lot of things, you need to understand that people have different opinions and beliefs, thats what makes the world go 'round. Not EVERYONE is like you. I apologize. And you've already made it clear you want nothing to do with this board

    Sometimes it seems as if the BDC board was created just so it's members could insult Layne and now Dante. While I enjoy the company of many members there, I want no part of that behaviour.


    And you preach against the "ganging up".....

    BDC clique. The people who left were already familiar with each other and for a while this group dominated the board. If you disagreed with one, all of them ganged up on you


    You were so quick to Dantes rescue at AR, but where are you at over there taking up for me in the flaming threads about me? Oh I know! You're right along with them. So its obvious you have no respect for me or this board. You **** talk it, but have you really been here long enough to accumulate an opinion? Exactly.
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  6. Oh and you were the advocate of not getting personal and taking this off topic? You again attempt to trash me and for you?
    That ended with your cling comment. You've taken a few jabs in this discussion. I ignored them but that last one, was one too many.

    My comments are directed around your implication that i support dante because of some clout that he has. That's insulting and inaccurate. I'm not going to beat the other argument to death again.

    I don't expect everyone to agree with me or be like me. I do however, expect them to try to remain obective when presented with the facts.

    As far as what I would like: yes i would like to see you and everyone else on this board write a letter. It's the least we can all do. This is something that most of us are passionate about and we should be willing to defend what we like, regardless of the odds. However, everyone is obviously free to do what they want.

  7. Maybe you should read the thread above, read my edit. You **** talk this board, then you want something in return?

    Id guess about 75% of this board has taken part in the letter writing. I encourage them too. Im not fond of the goverment for many reasons and this is another communist restriction. Its frustrating to me, because myself and all you guys are helpless, sure I can write a letter, but will anyone even read it? Again, pardon my ignorance on politics, but I doubt they're even being read or taken into account.

  8. First, understand that I am not 'anti prohormone, anti steriod' so much as I am 'anti dip**** advertising'. That said, I'd much rather obtain prohormones/steroids if and when I ever use them, illegally if that would mean less idiots read and are suckered in by irresponsible advertising from supplement companies, the majority of which ARE going about their business in an unprofessional and often misleading way. It's not hard to understand why uninformed feel the need to protect the uninformed, not just for reasons of job security in a political position. Prohormones will be banned, and not because of attitudes of people like myself or YJ. I'm quite surprised that Dante got so upset with him for being pragmatic. This 'surprised that you won't stand up and fight' attitude only works for common sense arguments. Ideals/wishes of a distinct minority are hardly applicable in most cases. Pick your fights and if this is one, fine, if you feel the need to 'go down swinging' what have you, but be ****ing realistic and have realistic expectations, please. To reiterate: The problem is not Congress. The problem is misadvertising, overadvertising, over-reaching and greed of supplement companies which have brought powerful drugs via a legal loophole into the hands of thousands more idiots than intellectuals. More exposure = greater number of morons = more problems = more attention etc etc... the problem is easy to view, as is the outcome. Not sure why people get so personal, or why government etc is blamed so heavily. Just an opinion though, take it as you will.

  9. Nice post Biggin, some good points there.

    If there are sides here then each one has a very valid point. I tend to play devil's advocate in most discssions I get into, so I'm usually fairly Swiss about things I think. I agree with YJ that our efforts are futile I'm sure, but I agree with Dio that the cause is easily worth the effort (which I have done, letters and e-mails). So I say live and let live folks. Our trusty goverment will figure it out for us in the end, yippee!

  10. Originally posted by YellowJacket
    Maybe you should read the thread above, read my edit. You **** talk this board, then you want something in return?

    sure I can write a letter, but will anyone even read it? Again, pardon my ignorance on politics, but I doubt they're even being read or taken into account.
    I'm not asking for this for me. This is something that affects everyone -- I don't know how else to try to explain this.

    The letters actually DO make a difference. Politicians are concerned with their popularity first and everything else second. They need to be shown that there's a vocal group against this decision. That type of thing is one of the few ways people can make a difference.

  11. Originally posted by YellowJacket
    I understand a lot of things, you need to understand that people have different opinions and beliefs, thats what makes the world go 'round. Not EVERYONE is like you. I apologize. And you've already made it clear you want nothing to do with this board

    Sometimes it seems as if the BDC board was created just so it's members could insult Layne and now Dante. While I enjoy the company of many members there, I want no part of that behaviour.


    I came here hoping this would not be the case. As I stated above i enjoy the company of many people here, but do not agree with the constant bashing of people I respect. I stopped by in the chat room and bashing Layne was far more important than any other topic. WTF?

    As I said, I hoped it would be different, but I it looks like everyone getting along, or at least showing respect is a pipe dream.


    And you preach against the "ganging up".....

    BDC clique. The people who left were already familiar with each other and for a while this group dominated the board. If you disagreed with one, all of them ganged up on you


    This is true. I'm sure there are people in your group who know it's true. It never bothered me that much, but plenty of people got treated in ways they did not deserve. Jason Scott asked several valid questions about the status quo and got **** on and banned as a result.

    Every place has it's "ruling class." There's nothing really wrong about it, it's the way things happen. But let's not pretend that it does not exist.

    You were so quick to Dantes rescue at AR, but where are you at over there taking up for me in the flaming threads about me? Oh I know! You're right along with them. So its obvious you have no respect for me or this board. You **** talk it, but have you really been here long enough to accumulate an opinion? Exactly.

    Show me where I slammed you --you'll have a hard time finding any examples. The truth of the matter is that I while I have respect for you, I think you've been wrong many times. That's why I stayed out of the discussions -- it's the same reason I've stayed out the exchanges with/about Benz. I don't have to agree with everything someone says to enjoy interacting with them. By the same token, the fact that I get along with someone does not make them infallible in my eyes.

    I know who most of the big players are on this board and I've known them long enough to form an opinion. I also see the open hostility displayed at bb.com. I've also stopped by a couple times without posting. I'll repeat myself again: I like many people here, but there's a lot of bull**** I don't agree with.

    I'm trying to get past that, but it's looking pretty unlikely.

  12. Dont know who Jason Scott is, but if he was banned here I had no idea about it. You're also awful quick to judge for someone who's stopping in to fight a cause. Everyone here is concerned, take some time as read some threads and ask around. I dont have a "group" I have friends who as I do recognize bull**** when they see it. Its a common cause, we're all a group, or at least Id like to think so. My clout isnt as high as Dante's and I dont agree with you on everything, so Im not worth following. You say Im wrong a lot....wrong to whom? You? That was a pretty selfish statement, I always found it hard to be wrong when its an opinionated topic. Its obvious you're over here as the representative of Dante's board and thats cool, they're all welcome over, we could learn from them and Im sure they could learn from us. You want to look at the big picture then look at it, Im not the big picture, get off me and my character. Its just funny how at bb.com, AR, here doesnt matter you argue with me, you couldnt agree with me on anything. From the beginning. I dont know if you just go out looking for one or what.

    I'll repeat myself again: I like many people here, but there's a lot of bull**** I don't agree with.


    Theres a lot of bull**** everywhere. Enough said.

    Oh and when you go back over to Dante's, ask him what his registered name here is and why he's hiding it. He said he read the thread from over here where I **** talked him, I saw the link someone posted and thats cool.....but.....you cant read threads over here unless you're a member, Interesting.


    As for the real topic here.....Im not a PH user, I never once said everyone should "Resort to AAS use" thats not something that would come out of my mouth, as much as you'd like it to. PH are done, they're gone, been banned. As you can see by one of my last posts at BB.com, I didnt know this was that serious, it was. Theres nothing I can do now. Theres nothing no one can do now but show your dislike for goverment officials. I hate that they're gone and somehow I hope there's loopholes so they can still be distributed. Im not the most savvy PH man you'll find. Im old fashion I suppose, I believe in good old protein powder, liver tabs, flax oil, creatine and a solid diet and busting your ass in the gym. Im not all natural, but this sense of urgency over an abused supplement doesnt get me that fired up, I apologize I dont feel as stongly as you but to say "I figured you'd be one of the people who would fight this all the way". How do you figure that? Ive never even talked to you outside of arguing with you constantly, so I doubt you would know.

    I agree that PHs are dangerous if misused, and if you cant see that then your focused is blurred by a lost cause. They're too readily avaliable for teens. Ive never been a fan of teens at all, but thats on message boards, this is real life.

    Now you've got me, this is my real reason NOT to fight this ban full throttle...... If supplement companies wouldnt make their ads tso appealing to teens and so readily avaliable for teen use, I would be all out kicking ass in this dispute. But because they knowingly wouldnt hesitate to sell to a teen for the fast $$$, makes me jsut sit back, relax and watch this all unfold. Although Im still pissed that they're taking my rights because of a few *******s teens who abuse it, you reap what you sow. The goverment DID NOT put them in this position, they did this to themselves. The supplement companies took my rights, not the goverment. Its their own faults for this abolishment. Everyone is so quick to blame the goverment for everything (please ignore me avatar right now). Look at the REAL *******s behind this ban.......Im sure you personally couldnt see this since your best friends are those owners, but good ol country boys like me, who have nothing in this can see it clearly. (but nothing in this I mean, PHs are banned, get over it, try a steady diet and hardwork, I think Layne would be proud to hear me say that)

  13. I've already explained the situation with Dante -- it has nothing to do with perceived clout. I run with people who think like me -- same as you. I don't think I'm following anyone, I just go with what I agree with.

    Of course the comment about you being wrong is my opinion. I'm sure just as many idisagree with me as agree. The point is I base my decisions on these opinions -- same as anyone else.

    I actually stopped in here more for personal reasons than for the cause. I tried pretty hard to keep the AR situation from detiorating and I failed. You'll notice that Dante was wiling to stop, yet you pressed the issue. I was going to ignore the situation but then changed my mind. As far as the judging goes, you'll find me more open minded about these disagreements than most, but I still have my opinions.

    I've agreed with you many times, but you're right that I've probably disagreed more. If I didn't see any value in your presence, I would not have asked bb.com to un-ban you. I don't go looking for you to start fights -- it just ends up happening when I see some of things you post.

    Finally, you state you're not the big picture, but you insert yourself into most of these situations. That's why you get addressed. Anyone making the same strong statements would get the same reactions.

  14. Originally posted by YellowJacket

    "I figured you'd be one of the people who would fight this all the way". How do you figure that? Ive never even talked to you outside of arguing with you constantly, so I doubt you would know.

    I agree that PHs are dangerous if misused, and if you cant see that then your focused is blurred by a lost cause. They're too readily avaliable for teens. Ive never been a fan of teens at all, but thats on message boards, this is real life.

    Now you've got me, this is my real reason NOT to fight this ban full throttle...... If supplement companies wouldnt make their ads tso appealing to teens and so readily avaliable for teen use, I would be all out kicking ass in this dispute. But because they knowingly wouldnt hesitate to sell to a teen for the fast $$$, makes me jsut sit back, relax and watch this all unfold. Although Im still pissed that they're taking my rights because of a few *******s teens who abuse it, you reap what you sow. The goverment DID NOT put them in this position, they did this to themselves. The supplement companies took my rights, not the goverment. Its their own faults for this abolishment. Everyone is so quick to blame the goverment for everything (please ignore me avatar right now). Look at the REAL *******s behind this ban.......Im sure you personally couldnt see this since your best friends are those owners, but good ol country boys like me, who have nothing in this can see it clearly. (but nothing in this I mean, PHs are banned, get over it, try a steady diet and hardwork, I think Layne would be proud to hear me say that)
    I have used them in limited quantities myself; I like having the option available to me. Almost all of my results have come from eating and lifting properly.

    I think there are plenty of sleazy companies out there and I have taken my share of shots against them: do a search on bb.com for my name and nutrex. I support the companies that I think are honest in their approach. These people did not do this to themselves.

    Pat arnold was against 1-test from hitting the market because he thought it would push things too far. He was right. Yet people slammed him for being against it. Sometimes you just can't win.

    I personally would not mind age and advertising restrictions on the products. As a matter of fact I think that would be great. But outright banning.

    I mentioned that I thought you would fight not for a love of PHs, but because you seem to fight against things you don't agree with.

  15. Originally posted by Dio



    I mentioned that I thought you would fight not for a love of PHs, but because you seem to fight against things you don't agree with.
    Well man like I said before, all the petitions have been created, websites developed, I dont know what else can be done......

    But you'll be happy to know my letter via e-mail was sent a few minutes ago and I will also be mailing via postal service. Mine is short, sweet and to the point. It states:

    Communism-N A social system in which there are no private ownership of the means of production.

    Sums up my feelings more than accuratly.

  16. Hey dio, funny article in avants current issue


    I agree with what you been saying in this thread DIO.

  17. Sometimes it seems as if the BDC board was created just so it's members could insult Layne and now Dante. While I enjoy the company of many members there, I want no part of that behaviour.

    I came here hoping this would not be the case. As I stated above i enjoy the company of many people here, but do not agree with the constant bashing of people I respect. I stopped by in the chat room and bashing Layne was far more important than any other topic. WTF?

    As I said, I hoped it would be different, but I it looks like everyone getting along, or at least showing respect is a pipe dream.

    And you preach against the "ganging up".....

    BDC clique. The people who left were already familiar with each other and for a while this group dominated the board. If you disagreed with one, all of them ganged up on you


    Every place has it's "ruling class." There's nothing really wrong about it, it's the way things happen. But let's not pretend that it does not exist.
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    Well Dio, let me interject a little here, even though I'm sure this is quite off topic. I am guilty of Layne bashing sure, but I would think you would realize that in no way is the chat banter a decent representation of BDCNutrition as a whole, and I'm sure Chemo could tell you that. You seem to have looked for dead serious discussion on relavent matters, and you didn't get it there the few times I saw you on. Well, it is a chat, not a thread, and sometimes this happens. Making generalizations regarding this site as a result of your chat experiences will get you nowhere. The chat tends to bring the worst and best out in all of us, just like the off topic or misc sections at other boards as well, but be careful slinging that mud around threads, or you will raise eyebrows very quick. I am guilty of Layne bashing yes, not much with Dante though, but if you think that you can make generalizations of my or others' personalities from that, you are dead wrong. I like to have my fun and that is one way of doing it here (immature? probably, but maybe that's what some are searching for occasionally). So I agree that it may not be the most responsible thing for me to do to bash Layne or act "inappropriately" in your eyes, but I do take your insinuation to mean most here are cronies and/or followers with no differing opinion, so let's not pretend that's not what you're saying.

  18. Originally posted by YellowJacket
    I agree that PHs are dangerous if misused, and if you cant see that then your focused is blurred by a lost cause. They're too readily avaliable for teens. Ive never been a fan of teens at all, but thats on message boards, this is real life.

    Now you've got me, this is my real reason NOT to fight this ban full throttle...... If supplement companies wouldnt make their ads tso appealing to teens and so readily avaliable for teen use, I would be all out kicking ass in this dispute. But because they knowingly wouldnt hesitate to sell to a teen for the fast $$$, makes me just sit back, relax and watch this all unfold. Although Im still pissed that they're taking my rights because of a few *******s teens who abuse it, you reap what you sow. The goverment DID NOT put them in this position, they did this to themselves. The supplement companies took my rights, not the goverment. Its their own faults for this abolishment. Everyone is so quick to blame the goverment for everything (please ignore me avatar right now). Look at the REAL *******s behind this ban.......Im sure you personally couldnt see this since your best friends are those owners, but good ol country boys like me, who have nothing in this can see it clearly. (but nothing in this I mean, PHs are banned, get over it, try a steady diet and hardwork, I think Layne would be proud to hear me say that)
    Very well said, indeed! I openly attacked Pat Arnold for interfering in several threads where I warned teens away from ph. And I had used valid arguments, no scare tactics. Par Deus and Dante chimed in calling me one of the stupidest people on earth, and further stating that I had never made one worthwhile contribution at bb.com, and that anyone could check my posts and see them for them for the nonsense that they were. Par Deus has a God complex, and Dante is a sick, twisted soul, who has begun to believe in his own omnipotence. After all, he sits at god's right hand. Dante has serious mental and emotional problems, and is not the same as when he moderated at bb.com. He relentlessly attacks anyone who disagrees with him.

    What me me confront these ph giants? These 3 men had the mendacity to openly state the industry has always been vehemently opposed to teenagers using prohormones. Their memory is short; but their unmitigated gall is enormous.

    Dio, these men are in a situation of their own devising. I feel bad for Bill Llewellin, and for the rest of us who would still like to see ph legal. But in looking at the big picture, all is not lost. The sky is not falling, and in the worst case scenario, everyone will have to learn all about nutrition and training. Teens are the major market for ph, as most believe they can circumvent years of hard work by taking a magic pill. Sorry, there are no shortcuts!

    YJ, your posts on this thread show incredible insight, and my respect for you is even greater now than before.

    Dio, I like you and respect your supplement opinions, but on this thread you are just plain confused. And, it is obvious that you did come here to side with Dante and pick a fight with YJ.

  19. This is my reason for thinking that ph's being banned could be a good reason. Less fit people around! Means more putang for me because we will be a small minority with our access to gear.


    I already got a box of fina ready to go in a few weeks as im making my leap from 1-test(legal) to illegal, to feed my cows betzy.

  20. Originally posted by pjorstad
    This is my reason for thinking that ph's being banned could be a good reason. Less fit people around! Means more putang for me because we will be a small minority with our access to gear.
    Well if you think PHs alone make people fit, then you've fallen off the board of reality. People forget abotu a solid diet and training hard.....without that, PHs arent ****. Granted PHs help greatly, but its not the end of the world. So I dont think "fit" is the proper word, maybe some more of the lines of muscular.

  21. Your right yellow jacket. I should claify.

    What i mean is you get all these stupid teens who bulk up on 1-test and prohormones for years on end with little attention to any kind of diet and very good training regimen and before you know it they are bigger and muscular then a lot of guys who hardly use them but pay more attention to diet and training.


    You know the typical teenagers and 20 somethings im talking about, big arms and shoulders but lacking in the neck back department usually and almost always lacking from the waist down. And their training routine sucks!

  22. Originally posted by Dio
    Sometimes it seems as if the BDC board was created just so it's members could insult Layne and now Dante. While I enjoy the company of many members there, I want no part of that behaviour.

    I came here hoping this would not be the case. As I stated above i enjoy the company of many people here, but do not agree with the constant bashing of people I respect. I stopped by in the chat room and bashing Layne was far more important than any other topic. WTF?
    Dio, here is just a sample of a new post at bb.com. In response to a sig by one of Layne's friend's named Fletch, which goes:******IP BAN YJ/GoldenEagle********

    Originally posted by Smackdown
    Hey Fletch! Looking great. Your legs are looking fantastic bro.

    By the way I did not copy your signature, i added mine three days ago on my own having never have seen yours after seeing so many dildos on here with things such as "free YJ" in their signatures as if he were some great freedom fighter and not the half-wit cretin we all know him to be.
    **** Keep YellowJacket banned****
    Originally posted by str8flexed
    I can just see the YJ posse saddling up to come over here now.
    Originally posted by Smackdown
    First will come YJ, then Benz, and then perhaps that Red Oktober fool as i suspect him of being Kennyboy.

    Pfff... It'll be fun making them look like idiots.
    Yes all this mean spirited gossip over at bdc.com. Wish we could clean up, and be more open minded like the boys @ bb,com.

  23. Jealousy's a bitch huh?

  24. Originally posted by Dio


    I'm not asking for this for me. This is something that affects everyone -- I don't know how else to try to explain this.

    The letters actually DO make a difference. Politicians are concerned with their popularity first and everything else second. They need to be shown that there's a vocal group against this decision. That type of thing is one of the few ways people can make a difference.
     

    How many letters do you really think you can rally up? A few thousands? 

    The irony of it all is, after all the MuscleTech bashing, although well deserved, you need MT to rally their customer base of idiots and lazies to cry foul, in order to make a noticeable noise. *sigh* Such is life.

    A few thousand guys are no going to make squat when the politicians weigh how many votes to loss vs to gain by siding with the bill.

  25. Originally posted by John Benz

    Dio, here is just a sample of a new post at bb.com. In response to a sig by one of Layne's friend's named Fletch, which goes:******IP BAN YJ/GoldenEagle********


    Yes all this mean spirited gossip over at bdc.com. Wish we could clean up, and be more open minded like the boys @ bb,com.
    damn I have been reincarnated as a Ruskie in Mr. Smacky's Neighborhood.   ****ing nutcase is obssessed with me.

  26. I used my mom's name when sending email's.

  27. Originally posted by John Benz

    Very well said, indeed! I openly attacked Pat Arnold for interfering in several threads where I warned teens away from ph. And I had used valid arguments, no scare tactics. Par Deus and Dante chimed in calling me one of the stupidest people on earth, and further stating that I had never made one worthwhile contribution at bb.com, and that anyone could check my posts and see them for them for the nonsense that they were. Par Deus has a God complex, and Dante is a sick, twisted soul, who has begun to believe in his own omnipotence. After all, he sits at god's right hand. Dante has serious mental and emotional problems, and is not the same as when he moderated at bb.com. He relentlessly attacks anyone who disagrees with him.

    What me me confront these ph giants? These 3 men had the mendacity to openly state the industry has always been vehemently opposed to teenagers using prohormones. Their memory is short; but their unmitigated gall is enormous.

    Dio, these men are in a situation of their own devising. I feel bad for Bill Llewellin, and for the rest of us who would still like to see ph legal. But in looking at the big picture, all is not lost. The sky is not falling, and in the worst case scenario, everyone will have to learn all about nutrition and training. Teens are the major market for ph, as most believe they can circumvent years of hard work by taking a magic pill. Sorry, there are no shortcuts!

    YJ, your posts on this thread show incredible insight, and my respect for you is even greater now than before.

    Dio, I like you and respect your supplement opinions, but on this thread you are just plain confused. And, it is obvious that you did come here to side with Dante and pick a fight with YJ.
     

    I agree wholeheartedly. The bee has indeed grown into a great GOLDEN EAGLE!!

     

     

  28. Originally posted by K (Phoenix)


     

    I agree wholeheartedly. The bee has indeed grown into a great GOLDEN EAGLE!!

     

     
    In a time when little bees are no longer allowed to voice their opinions or contradict the almighty mods, the GoldenEagle steps on (only momentarly) to stoop to their level, to rain on the parade of omnipotence. Oh boy. People take themselves way to serious.

  29. Originally posted by YellowJacket
    In a time when little bees are no longer allowed to voice their opinions or contradict the almighty mods, the GoldenEagle steps on (only momentarly) to stoop to their level, to rain on the parade of omnipotence. Oh boy. People take themselves way to serious.
    What I mean was, reading your posts, we can all see that they can only come from a person of tremenduous intelligence, knowledge and insight.  

  30. I'm getting sick of Smackdown's crap. I think I'll warn him now.
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