Whimped out on EPI cycle

[young4life]

I was running a cycle of GEN EPI at 20-30-30-40 and at 2 weeks in my libido disappeared:run: and it would not get hard at all. This happened just when the EPI was kicking in. With me being married and my wife not knowing I'm using a steroid, I had to stop the cycle. Did not expect to be shut down like that so quickly. I would not mind loosing libido, but function!!:blink:

I started Tamox at low dosage and will run for 2 weeks with
CS. Also for 4 weeks, I'll stack MS MassFX, Retain2, Anabolic Pump, ZMA, Tribulus.

By the way, 1 1/2 days after stopping EPI and running Tamox, I'm back up and running.

Thinking about pulsing H-Drol, as it seems to be milder than EPI, and pulsing hopefully won't shut me down as hard. On off days I'll run the above stack. What do U guys think?

 

[MkUltra]

damn that sux, Im sensitive like that as well. I have to do a lot to keep it functioning on cycle, even with compounds people say don't usually do that.

I usually dont end the cycle I use 2 grams of Tribulus and Niacin and that usually does it, or you could always use cialis

 

[young4life]

Tried cialis the next night-nothing but one hellova headacke. I did not want to end the cycle but I was running out of excusses.lol

In 2 months, I'm going to pulse and see how that works.

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

Don't pulse h-drol. It's not well suited for that method of cycling.

 

[young4life]

Suggestions?

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

Well if you're not totally stuck on pulsing why not just run the H-drol straight through. Or give Epi another go (straight through) and take DHEA along with it to help with libido and such.

 

[EctoPower]

Don't pulse h-drol. It's not well suited for that method of cycling.

Agreed.

Young, run hdrol straight at 50mg for 3 or 4 weeks. Get tribulus (a lot, if necessary) for erections but also make sure you're taking hawthorn berry on cycle (and pre-loaded). And I don't know what else you were running on the epi cycle, but if you were using an ATD at the same time, that could cause a limp shlong too. So don't use an ATD on cycle and pick a different kind of AI for PCT.

I just ran 4 weeks at 50mg with no libido issues and kept it hidden from the wifo. It can be done! :thumbsup:

Of course, you could just be ultra sensitive. But pulsing hdrol is not a good option.

 

[witt51]

i read dr. d pulsed it before and got little results,but if i recall he took the the normal dosage on his pulse days. he said that 100 mg a day would work but he cant eactly tell how good the results would be. search in the "how to pulse oral threads"

 

[young4life]

Well if you're not totally stuck on pulsing why not just run the H-drol straight through. Or give Epi another go (straight through) and take DHEA along with it to help with libido and such.

Was running EPI straight through with CS and p5p. I'll look into DHEA. Think I might be one of those "sensitive" guys.:rasp:

Anyone use Proviron?

 

[MkUltra]

Proviron works great, if you can get it, use it. DHEA should help as well, but I break out even from 25-50mg a day.

Also the libido/ed issue can be related to blood pressure, did you check your blood pressure?

 

[Frequency]

just pulse the epi. I felt great. No shutdown at all

 

[EctoPower]

Proviron works great, if you can get it, use it. DHEA should help as well, but I break out even from 25-50mg a day.

Also the libido/ed issue can be related to blood pressure, did you check your blood pressure?

You're right and this is exactly why I suggested hawthorn berry to the OP. I had major BP issues with Propadrol and had to abandon the run. But I pre-loaded HB and ran it on cycle with Hdrol and had no BP issues at all. Most people find it pretty effective.

 

[futurepilot]

I was cycling GEN EPI at 20-30-30-40 and at 2 weeks in my libido disappeared:run: and it would not get hard at all. This happened just when the EPI was kicking in. With me being married and my wife not knowing I'm using a steroid, I had to stop the cycle. Did not expect to be shut down like that so quickly. I would not mind loosing libido, but function!!:blink:

I started Tamox at low dosage and will run for 2 weeks with
CS. Also for 4 weeks, I'll stack MS MassFX, Retain2, Anabolic Pump, ZMA, Tribulus.

By the way, 1 1/2 days after stopping EPI and running Tamox, I'm back up and running.

Thinking about pulsing H-Drol, as it seems to be milder than EPI, and pulsing hopefully won't shut me down as hard. On off days I'll run the above stack. What do U guys think?

I would consider afew things.

http://www.urologychannel.com/erectiledysfunction/causes.shtml


specifically the part that says

"Hormone Disorders
Hormone disorders account for fewer than 5% of cases of impotence. Testosterone deficiency, which occurs rarely, can result in a loss of libido (sexual desire) and loss of erection. Among other conditions, an excess of the hormone prolactin, caused by pituitary gland tumor, reduces levels of testosterone. Hormone imbalances can also result from kidney or liver disease."


also you are, if your post is true, 45? then your are more susceptible than lets say a 21 year old.

As for a cure? beats me im sure ill research it more if it happens to me, but ive been fine so far. so ive had no need to really delv into a solution.

One thing to consider i didnt really under stand you said "cycling GEN EPI" does that mean pulse? If so that could be your answer. maybe your system doesnt like the bounce between on/off. if it a straight cycle i would check out that link.

 

[young4life]

MKULTRA, I have one of those battery powered blood pressure monitors. It usualy reads 122-70 to 127-80. I've always had good blood pressure normally in the 120 range.

Ectopower, I ran AI's cycle support. Preloaded it 2 weeks prior to the cycle. It has hawthorn berry in it.

Futurepilot, I'm getting up there, I'll be 46 in September. I guess I used "cycling" in the wrong context. I changed it thanx. Also, good info.

Frequency, I considered pulsing the EPI, but after it shut me down I wanted to try something else. How long did you pulse and at what dose?

 

[Frequency]

4 weeks/ 3x a week/ 40mgs

 

[young4life]

What did you take on off days?

 

[Frequency]

nada

 

[young4life]

OK, the time has come. Starting my Epi pulse tomorrow. Here's what I came up with:

Pulsing on M-T-W with four days off straight. According to most, this seems to be the best way for a good bouce back effect. Will be taking the first dose when I wake up and the second after my workout, all before noon. I workout on M-W-F-S.
Monday 20mg
Tuesday 30mg
Wednesday 30mg
Along with the above, I'll be using Silymarin ED(before bed on ON days), 25-50mgs DHEA ED, multi ED, vit.C, 1500mg ED.

On OFF days it will be Mass FX and Lean Xtreme. Will be pulsing for 6-8 weeks and its a recomp pulse (trying to tighten things up a bit).

OK, what do you think. Always looking for good feedback.

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

OK, the time has come. Starting my Epi pulse tomorrow. Here's what I came up with:

Pulsing on M-T-W with four days off straight. According to most, this seems to be the best way for a good bouce back effect. Will be taking the first dose when I wake up and the second after my workout, all before noon. I workout on M-W-F-S.
Monday 20mg
Tuesday 30mg
Wednesday 30mg
Along with the above, I'll be using Silymarin ED(before bed on ON days), 25-50mgs DHEA ED, multi ED, vit.C, 1500mg ED.

On OFF days it will be Mass FX and Lean Xtreme. Will be pulsing for 6-8 weeks and its a recomp pulse (trying to tighten things up a bit).

OK, what do you think. Always looking for good feedback.

I think you should try a 2 weeks on, 2-4 weeks off approach. Lol, I'm all over this method lately, it seems very promising as I've seen some fricking fantastic feedback on it. Can't wait to try it myself in the future... God-willing that is

 

[TNASTYII]

I think you should try a 2 weeks on, 2-4 weeks off approach. Lol, I'm all over this method lately, it seems very promising as I've seen some fricking fantastic feedback on it. Can't wait to try it myself in the future... God-willing that is

bump to this! i wanna know about the 2 weeks on 2 off method...

 

[slow-mun]

Why didn't you just stack Dermacrine with Epi? Pulsing for the most part is suspect IMHO.

 

[young4life]

I think you should try a 2 weeks on, 2-4 weeks off approach. Lol, I'm all over this method lately, it seems very promising as I've seen some fricking fantastic feedback on it. Can't wait to try it myself in the future... God-willing that is

I got shut down at 2 weeks. I think I'll stick to the original plan. I did change to a M-W-F routine because of my workout schedule and I only take the DHEA on the days I take Epi. 6 days in and I swear I fill slightly stronger already. Could be a placebo affect though.

 

[young4life]

Why didn't you just stack Dermacrine with Epi?

What's Dermacrine?

 

[slow-mun]

What's Dermacrine?

Dermacrine

Just click on the link. Primordial has its own subforum on this site as well. I've used Dermacrine before and I have to admit that it is probably the best legal option as stacker for 90% of all OTC hormonals. It would negate the need to pulse IMHO.