Havoc, for gaining mass (what's better ?)
- 03-07-2008, 11:36 PM
Havoc, for gaining mass (what's better ?)
I've been hearing that Havoc isn't the best PH for solely building mass, and that it's more geared towards strength gains. So what's better and how much more powerful in terms of side affects is it compared to Havoc/Epistane. I'm assuming Superdrol right ? Could you please mention the specific name of the clone.
- 03-07-2008, 11:41 PM
- 03-07-2008, 11:50 PM
Stack it with 750mg of Test E and it will work GREAT!!! LOL
03-08-2008, 07:20 AM
Superdrol and clones are great for mass.
03-08-2008, 07:25 AM
To gain mass, some have used SD and clones, some have used Phera and clones. I don't know which is stronger and/or builds more mass. Either way you have to manage your caloric intake and eat more, otherwise you won't get the results you want.
If you go through some of the Havoc logs, several people also reported a significant amount of weight gain, so I guess it all depends on how well your body responds.
Simple answer: go with The Reverend's answer above
03-08-2008, 10:22 AM
Even though this will be my first PH cycle I'm really leaning towards M-drol or P-Plex instead of Havoc. I know that they're much more harsh on your body than Havoc but to me the rewards by far outweigh the risk. Too bad I spent the last few weeks researching Havoc instead of the other two. I'm much more interested in gaining mass than anything else.
Do you think it's a problem for me to take superdrol or phera as my first PH cycle ? My PCT will include (nolva, lean extreme, test booster, cycle support)
03-08-2008, 10:30 AM
03-08-2008, 10:34 AM
i think 10/10/20 might be better, little more powerfull than 10/10/10 and not as harsh as 10/20/20
03-08-2008, 10:56 AM
03-08-2008, 11:10 AM
03-08-2008, 11:22 AM
03-08-2008, 11:25 AM
You dont want to ne the guy that brags of taking 40mg for a month and gains5-10lbs,you want to be the guy that takes 10 for three weeks,and gains10-20lbs.
03-08-2008, 11:42 AM
03-08-2008, 12:11 PM
ISTM, most people, respond real well their first cycle. Epi seems to be well liked and tolerated by most. You know this, since you did a lot of research. Some people respond extraordinarily well to hormonal stuff, some donít much, most are somewhere in between. But if you do well with phera or mdrol, I suspect, for your first cycle epi will do well, too.
Personally, I didnít like mdrol particularly much. Phera was good but really more than you need.
Assuming you're in your early 20's you've probably got a good 30's years to train. There's no rush.
03-08-2008, 12:14 PM
03-08-2008, 03:13 PM
So Superdrol seems to be the ultimate PH for both mass and strength gains then doesn't it ?
03-08-2008, 03:18 PM
03-08-2008, 03:41 PM
03-08-2008, 03:52 PM
i just bought granite x...it is a superdrol clone and i was wondering if anyone has tried this product
03-08-2008, 04:05 PM
never heard of it.Who makes it?how much did you pay?whats the pill count and mg per pill?
03-08-2008, 04:18 PM
Size and strength are not the only aspects of a good cycle, it's nice to feel good, too. I'd say the "milder" anabolics are a better choice as long as they are effective. Milder is only a relative term.
Epi is a prescriptive drug in some countries. It at least has some testing behind it. Superdrol is a crap shoot. I'm not saying you should never do it, but I think for a first cycle it's over kill.
03-08-2008, 04:47 PM
In my opinion it is always best to try to get the most ot of the less potent first. If you can gain 5-10 lbs frome 20-30mg of epi then do that first. You can only do it once or twice before you have to go up in dosage. Once you have made gaines on the milder stuff and know how your body responds move on to stronger stuff. your gains will be more consistant and easier to keep.
03-09-2008, 12:27 AM
however, superdrol will make you feel the sh*ttiest as well-
I felt decent on Phera, but it really messed up my BP
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