Does any person out there know of anyone's results using guaiacol (2-methoxyphenol) and phenyl salicylate (2-hydroxybenzoic acid phenyl ester) as solvents?
I will bet that it hurts, not to inject but a couple of days after.I dissolved Test Prop in melt ethyl lactate and phenyl salicylate. The concentration is stable at about 358mg/ml. The solution is clear and very fluid and is still in a beaker. I have't have time to dilute with any type of oil yet. I will eventually dilute it to 200mg/ml and find a few volunteers to self administer.
What is this I hear about oleic acid possibly being used to increse solubility of short ester hormones? Any info?
How did the TEA work?:rofl: my bad, I missed the part you pointed out that you had tried those two. I know of a few peers who are fond of 'super solvents' such as what Dazed had formulated. I myself just use regular BA/BB... although I had experimented with adding TEA at 1% with my Prop to see if it would quell the soreness..
anyways, thanks for the write up, albeit me being late reading it.
I might try the Guaiacol out if I plan on making higher concentrations in the future.
It dulled the remnant soreness, and shortened the duration. The onset of the soreness was delayed as well..How did the TEA work?
Skye did you find any use for the phenyl.S?I will bet that it hurts, not to inject but a couple of days after.
I am interested in the ethyl lactate though. have you worked with it on its own?
Jack smack what was the results of your experiments with Phenyl.S?I dissolved Test Prop in melt ethyl lactate and phenyl salicylate. The concentration is stable at about 358mg/ml. The solution is clear and very fluid and is still in a beaker. I have't have time to dilute with any type of oil yet. I will eventually dilute it to 200mg/ml and find a few volunteers to self administer.
What is this I hear about oleic acid possibly being used to increse solubility of short ester hormones? Any info?
Can you shed alittle light on this solvent?Phenyl salicylate sux, but benzyl salicylate is a different story.
nope. nothing worthwhile at any rate. It does work great on headackes if you want to use it.Skye did you find any use for the phenyl.S?
or Am I better off just getting rid of it!
I would really appreciate your thoughts on this subject?
THANKS:twisted:
Phenyl salicylate is unstable in solutions and requires a melting procedure. The results/solubility are not impressive. Benzyl salicylate is just as good a co-solvent as BB, plus it offers some prolonged local analgesia when formulating painful injections like T1 cyp, Test prop or Tren acetate. I've gone as high as 35% with it, after that it promotes pain like BB will.Can you shed alittle light on this solvent?
whats the viscosity like? Also have you ever tried or know about Octyl Salicylate?Phenyl salicylate is unstable in solutions and requires a melting procedure. The results/solubility are not impressive. Benzyl salicylate is just as good a co-solvent as BB, plus it offers some prolonged local analgesia when formulating painful injections like T1 cyp, Test prop or Tren acetate. I've gone as high as 35% with it, after that it promotes pain like BB will.
Dr. D,Phenyl salicylate sux, but benzyl salicylate is a different story.
there is a bunch of places that sell it. google it and fragrances you will have plenty of places to get itDr. D,
A while back I was hounding Designer Supps and Dazed for *something, anything* that would keep my 4-OHT-cyp in a painless solution, or a solution at all for that matter. A little birdie told me that the Benzyl Salicylate is the key to getting it into solution, but I can't find it any where.
It's a shame too because my cousin in Antartica unfortunately invested in a but-load of 4OHT-cyp powder back when Matt/DesignerSupps promised they would be offering a Kit to get it into solution after the ban
BS is a little thinner than BB, very nice indeed! I have never used OS, plus it's kinda thick. I have tried octyl methoxycinnamate. The sol characteristics are good but it's painful. Balsm Peru oil is a darn good solvent as well (thin too), but the cinnamates just make it too painful I suspect.whats the viscosity like? Also have you ever tried or know about Octyl Salicylate?
A research supply sponsor should carry it. I have a Sigma account, but most will not be able to source like that. When I was developing a solvent mix for the 4OHT cyp for Matt, I noticed how well methyl and ethyl salicylate worked, but was too scared to use them at high concentrations. It's how I discovered the usefulness of BS, which is remarkably non-toxic. I posted the final version of my "special solution" for 4OHT cyp here somewhere and at Avant too I think, but a stable and painless 100mg/ml was the best I was ever able to achieve.Dr. D,
A while back I was hounding Designer Supps and Dazed for *something, anything* that would keep my 4-OHT-cyp in a painless solution, or a solution at all for that matter. A little birdie told me that the Benzyl Salicylate is the key to getting it into solution, but I can't find it any where.
It's a shame too because my cousin in Antartica unfortunately invested in a but-load of 4OHT-cyp powder back when Matt/DesignerSupps promised they would be offering a Kit to get it into solution after the ban
thanks.BS is a little thinner than BB, very nice indeed! I have never used OS, plus it's kinda thick. I have tried octyl methoxycinnamate. The sol characteristics are good but it's painful. Balsm Peru oil is a darn good solvent as well (thin too), but the cinnamates just make it too painful I suspect.
I tried searching Avant for the recipie. I had it saved as a draft in my Outlook program but my computer crashed and it got lost. You wouldn't happen to have it handy to re-post here would ya? If not, do you think a mix of BA/BB/BS would do the trick, and if so in what percentages? I think Oleic acid might have been in there too?I posted the final version of my "special solution" for 4OHT cyp here somewhere and at Avant too I think, but a stable and painless 100mg/ml was the best I was ever able to achieve.
I tried searching Avant for the recipie. I had it saved as a draft in my Outlook program but my computer crashed and it got lost. You wouldn't happen to have it handy to re-post here would ya? If not, do you think a mix of BA/BB/BS would do the trick, and if so in what percentages? I think Oleic acid might have been in there too?
thanks, -V
Thats it but it is a liquid. also your paying way too much there unless it is a very high quality grade.Benzyl Salicylate
Benzyl 2-Hydroxybenzoate; Salicylic Acid Benzyl Ester
C14H12O3 F.W. 228.25 CAS: 118-58-1
100g. = $38.50
Although it doesn't mention if it's USP, reagent grade, or what. Besides, I thought it would be a liquid like BA and BB.
These numbers are % by volume. BS is expensive, but the smaller amounts of most solvents are in my experience. That's why a sponsor should carry it! Also, be careful with procaine. Inadvertent injection into a blood vessel is an ugly OD. Seriously, I thought I was going to die one time. Lidocain or the HCl salt work well too, but the % must be reduced to 0.1-0.2 depending on the total amount to be administered. Inadvertent IV administration can cause arrhythmia, but not too serious or alarming in my experience.Thanks Toad,
That's the recipie I had saved before my computer crashed. Only thing is, I can't find the B. Salycylate, or the Benzocaine. Is Benzocaine Procaine, or am I thinking of lidocaine. because I have a bunch of procaine powder. I'm gonna search for the B. salycylate and see what I can find.
BTW, are those percentages by weight or volume?
Which times.... :blink: Has happened alot over the past 2 years.I noticed dazed site was down. anyone know what happened?
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