Ok....
1st- PA has had another compound tested and i forget which on, and the company chose not to allow him to release the results and he would not show the results to the owner(i think it was) becasue he would not pay him for whatever. So thi is not the first time he has tested a compound at random. I say this in his defense of "attacking" a company and/or compound.
2- He is banned fomr this board. Not sure why, just is. He has his own thread on another board that is a Q&A thread. Not meant for arguements. He is very quick with his responses and keeps them fairly simple, unless you ask for more detail. I check that thread regularly.
3- He CLEARLY states in his article in MD, which i have this issue, and in the quote in the original post, that he tested the compound and that it is STRICTLY in lab conditions and makes no claim to the same action in the body.
I thin kyou need to take it as more he experimented with a compound, as he did with many for the MD article, and this was some of the result for this one.
I know in the past i htink Epistane by IBE was found to have some Tren in it or the prescuor, if im not mistaken.
I think PA is a very reputable guy and peopel get it in their head about these compunds from whatever company and tend to get fussy when people dont like the idea expressed.
I have not used Epistane. I want to. But doubt i will cause i feel there is alot of hype. from the Gyno reduction to some of the best gains for any PH.
I think alot has to do with when people go on they tend to diet alot better, train better, etc. I am not saying they dont work, just need to take it for what its worht sometimes.
Well you obviousl support PA being one who frequents his own threads as you mentioned, but please, dont let this cloud your judgment of this situation.
PA is a VERY smart guy and a fairly good chemist but a srtand up person and one with the intention of good in his heart he is not. He has continuosly attacked Epi (this is the ecact same epi tests you refer to in the start of our post, which you said you cant remember, and obviously dnt remember the situation well either) In that first debacle he was saying Epi wasnt even Epi the compound it claimed to be, next it was that its contaminated with Tren and now that it contains or turns into DMT all in an effort to shine a bad lilght on the very successful compound he can obviously not produce himself due to court orders and would rather tear down instead. He's able to do these things casue he is able to pull slight correlations to these other compounds but you notice its always very open ended when it comes down to the facts, but he will push the point non the less and others just eat it up running around repeating incorrectly what he has vaguely stated as pure fact and then this happens. people such as yourself who have heard nothing but good personal reviews and would like to actually try it yourself will not due to underlying worries or thinking that with all the crap PA is saying the great effects others experience just cant be true.
So tell me if its only cause of better diet and training that people are making these gains then the same can be said for every compund used and cycled, NO? In all honesty I and many others that have a solid foundation and work their ass off 24/7 regardless of current supplementation have made above normal possible placebo gains with this so this point of yours is really quite inaccurate.
you now have gone so far as to say hes banned here for no good reason and also that he made certain statements that it only is possible in lab conditions when the first post states specifically he thinks its very probable this happens in the body as well.... although he still has absolutely no proof to say that. He doesnt even correlate how he thinks this, with his lab tests, by stating he used "thus and such" enzyme to make this happen and "thus and such" enzyme is also found in the liver or whatever... just he thinks so and thats enough to make it possible. The Issue of his ban though is an issue that youd have to take up with the mods as they make the decision whos banned and for what reason... BUT last time i checked (spoke with him here last summer) PA was unbanned here but the reason he was banned initially is cause of the way he approaches certain things, ususally very insulting/condescending when told hes wrong and the fact that he had problems with the board admin itself casue he cant control himself.... regardless of his knowledge this man tends to lack character when backed into a corner or even slightly nuged towards one but many regard him a hero cause he readily takes to giving newbs advice since all they do is listen and dont question... this man is an egomaniac.
either way I could care less what he thinks Epi is, so far hes only made it sound better to me since Tren is av ery desireable compound (although impossible to be effective orally at these doses so its obviously not anything close to it) and phera is my absolute altime favorite compound. I still doubt the second as well since I have run both phera and Epi seerate and although they ahve similarities overall they are both very different in how they effect the body one being very wet one very dry. epi is very mild while phera is a VERY noticable compund all around, in gains and the fact you "feel" it. now they are both good in strength as well and have similar AA ratios but thats the extent of their similarities IMO.
well all in all I hope you dont give up on Epi or any of the epithio products just yet and give one a try, preferably Epistane or Havoc since they have the most feedback and can be considered the most reliable since they were the first ones released. you will not be dissapointed.... but if you dont make gains can I just say its casue your diet and training are shiz even though you noramlly make good gains on other cycles and products you run with your diet and routine??? ( you see the flaw in this logic?) I know if they are in check you will def have a similar exp to everyone else and also that you should be gaining when your off too......
