Generally, a cyclic ketogenic diet (CKD) works wonders - staying low carb for 3-4 days maximum, then carbing up. Again, the goal is to lean up but preserve current LBM.
Here is an example split that I have used for successful priming:
Day 1: Moderate Carb/Cardio
Day 2: Low Carb/Upperbody Supersets
Day 3: Low Carb/Lowerbody Supersets
Day 4: Low Carb/Cardio
Day 5: Low Carb/Full Body Workout (begin carb load after evening training)
Day 6: Carb Load/No training
Day 7: Moderate Carb/Power Training (Squat/Deads/Bench)
How much cardio you do and how low you take your calories, is determined by your LBM and what you have learned about your metabolism and personal limitations.
He goes on to recommend the following approach to transitioning the diet right into the steroid cycle:
The last 4-5 days before the cycle starts should be low carb. On the day you carb up - you should begin the cycle. Testosterone and most of it's popular deriatives will make this carb load very effective - and glycogen supercompensation should occur very quickly... especially if you use short esters or frontload longer esters - to get blood levels up quickly. After this point your body will remain very responsive to the cycle and you should begin training hard - drop sets, rest-pause... go intense! You should feel ready for it. As always - keep a training log to maximize the growth window.
I also think his following tip on carb loading is a good one:
NOTE: Carb Loading - if you haven't ran a CKD before, remember that you need to deplete glycogen during the week so you can get the proper response from the carb loads. Be carefull of total calorie intake - if you go low carb, but eat too much - this will effect the depletion phase. During the carb load, stick to protein and carb food sources... if you have a craving to curb that is also high in fat, the best time to indulge is within the first several hours of the carb load - studies show fat gain during this time is very low... the body is more interested in replenishing itself than it is in storing fat. As you advance through the carb load - high fat food are more likely to be stored.
What about this: if using Test and Tren as the max androgen phase (probably the strongest combo we can do with common gear) then anabolic period can include dropping the tren (since its advised to drop tren prior test when approaching PCT/coming off) and filling tren's place with a very anabolic oral. then maybe taper the test (by the day since its propionate) and proportionally compensate for the lower test with that very anabolic oral. now we can look at primobolan acetate (which isnt very anabolic but compared to its androgenic ratio it is-also primo is known to not be very suppressive so this could work to our benefit.) due to the price and limited short term effect of primo (esp acetate which would need to be taken at around 200+ mg to accomplish our goal here) we may want to look at something else (maybe a ph? I mean...Im not fond of designers but epistane for example is "extremely anabolic" compared to its androgenic profile). these two orals mentioned are not very harsh or toxic so that also rules out some unwanted side effects.
btw...i disagree with the use of nandrolone whether it be very anabolic or not (for ending this type of cycle that is). even if its androgenic profile is low, that shouldnt be the only basis on which its concluded that nandrolone deconate isnt suppressive. by other modes of action it is known to be very suprressive and come with a whole host of sexual problems. Also, quick high doses of deca may have a rebound effect as far as gyno is concerned becuase of a disturbance in the whole 'progesterone thread currently being debated in the supplement forum )
Personally I don't really buy into playing w/ to many compounds for such a short cycle. For myself I would just use testosterone and nothing else.
I don't think I'd use a prohormone on the back end...if I went w/ an oral it would be Dbol (and a nice dose of an AI which would reduce estrogen just prior to PCT).
I'd say rather then be forced to use a specific compound, go w/ those compounds you feel will maxamize gains & speed recovery. Just the fact that the cycle is so short should help recovery.
Also IGF-1 can contribute to recovery smoother...
I was thinking what you had said prior (about just dropping tren and ending cycle on test. BUT like you also affirmed its only 3-4 weeks. so...we obviously want to end with compounds that are much less suppressive and hopefully more anabolic than those with which we started. I dont like orals either but they do have their place in certain situations. Plus we are only talking about 1-2 weeks of oral. I seem to respond well to tren-like ph's ps's but we will see when I go for tren ace. (probably a much different experience).
I think (speaking on behalf of what I would probably do) that even we shifted the ratio to 75:25 (according to Rea) and dropped tren week 3 of 4, (or 2 of 3) then we may miss out on maximizing gains. yes it is only 1 week that the tren is done and clearing and we are using only test, but its 1 week out of 3 or 4, not 10-12. That week is still very important to take full advantage of.
what is your reasoning for not wanting to fill the gap with a very anabolic oral (also, for conversation sake, what do you think would be a good [for yourself or anyone] choice of oral considering the many known compounds and their properties. the only reason i ask is becuase you mentioned dbol, but I was wondering if you had other compounds that you think would also fit well here.
From my reading highly anabolic and low androgenic orals such as: superdrol(yes theres superdrol again), Turinabol, M4ohn, primo, winny??-i do notice shedding though...so not sure on this one,
Tren+test->drop the tren->continue the test and add superdrol is what i'd do if i wanted to add a very anabolic oral w/ no estrogenic properties and little androgenic properties. prob toss in an AI during that last week or few days to supress any estrogen conversion from the test.
On long cycles I have found that adding on oral on top of the test in the middle of the cycle (where gains slowed) gave me a new boost in gains...thats where I've usually used them.
Why DBol as the oral for a Rea cycle? DBol is very anabolic. It is a terrific oral in my opinion. The extra water will enable you to lift more and sooth the joints after you have spent the first few weeks pushing the poundages very quickly due to the heavy dose of tren. For me personally it really enhances my mood. (Test, Deca & DBol are the 3 compounds that never fail to make me very happy). It acts quickly as well and doesn't need to build up to be effective.
The worry I would have w/ prohormones is that they may not be strong enough and more importantly they seem to need to build up for a week or so to be effective.
The choices on the compounds you make are real subjective though. The decision depends primarily on how you react to the compounds based on prior use and what you have available. It is far easier for me to be able to predict the outcome of my cycle based on the dosage of a single compound then it is if I use a variety of compounds. Test at 600mg/week vs 750mg/week makes a big difference to me, while 1 gram+ run for shorter times will begin to maxamize my results.
I agree that after a '75%' androgen run with test and tren, the dbol would help smooth things out. (mood, joints, gains etc.) the only 'problem' (for some) would be that it literally smooths things out. aside from aesthetically, the extra estro conversion from dbol (on top of whatever estro is floating around from the test), may lead to a problem when all the compounds are dropped. Unless we use a good dose of AI which could be hard to determine. and then like you mentioned, yet ANOTHER drug needing to be processed. I wonder if using trans-reserveratrol in a higher dose, with something like dermacrine sustain would suffice as a natural method.
Incidentally, I hadn't kept up w/ my calories prior to this cycle due to a heavy school load. When I got my gear, I started eating like a mad man for a couple of days before I even pinned myself.
Also, PCT was so easy that I managed to keep all but 8 lbs for over 7 months
The first one (DBOL/Test) I tapered the test down so it was really like 5 weeks. I did this because I was afraid of sudden weight loss coming off 2 compounds immediately, especially associated w/ DBOL ending @ the 4week mark.
Test/Tren was run at 4 weeks simply because I only had a 4 week supply of tren. I believe the test/dbol helped with massive gains, while test/tren got my body accustomed to the new weight gain & added some pounds as well.
EX. I dropped about 6 lbs (water) after the DBOL/Test . With Test/Tren I regained those 6lbs + 4 additional lbs and didn't have any water retention.
I don't know if this was covered more in detail yet, but wouldn't NPP (Nandrolone PhenylPropionate,short acting ester) be a great alternative to tren?
Like maybe 2 week Test Prop/NPP run,
this way,you have the benefit of easier joints and less shut down?
I like your combo Test Prop/NPP. Your thinking is primo!
Speaking of Primo, Pudz you mentioned primo as a transition compound well in rereading Rea he mentions it as well and gave his reason for it:
Another common beast utilized option for example was the addition of a high anabolic /low androgenic such as Primobolan to create a second step in transition from high androgenic to high anabolic periods. This would have been best utilized if Frank was one of those athletes who either lost post-cycle lean mass more easily than others, or if he had suffered HPTA suppression on a serious level even when employing such brief protocols.
No doubt some would say this was useless. I say they have not dealt with the problem.
You so often hear guys say once you are supressed you might as well just stay on...and if you are just going to go right back on then why bother w/ a PCT. So I am curious what your thoughts are.
But you recovered well right? So maybe closing w/ the anabolic is really only beneficial to those that based on prior cycle history have a hard time keeping gains & recovering. For all others closing w/ an androgen might be okay (perhaps even preferential).
Thanks for sharing you experience...
yea NPP would be ideal! although it seems much harder to come by. at least as far as my resources are concerned. I suggested primo by comparing all benefits/properties of the compound. Minimally suppressive under most conditions, much more anabolic than androgenic, would help prevent and smooth out the highly aromatizing compounds (test or test+dbol).
well since hte test NPP would most likely be ideal (for most people and on PAPER), lets just put that aside and consider other options. Obviously it isnt hard to piece together the androgenic closing. we could clearly just stick with test and tren , or just drop the tren at the 75% mark and keep the test.
what would seem ideal (FOR ME-for sake of discussion) would be a 75:25 (androgen:anabolic) run of test prop/tren ace, and then cut out the tren at the 75% point, and replace with a highly anabolic oral whilst TAPERING off the test. (tapering has been tried and true for me and IMO. so obviously dbol is a possible choice. now is 2-3 weeks of dbol create enough estro conversion to worry about using an AI? we now have someone who can attest to saying no from experience. but, if one were to start bloating, then an AI should probably be used. OR we can consider another compound altogether (or even adding some primo or proviron).
pro vs con: primo is not as anabolic as other compounds, BUT it is also remarkably less supressive, and provides much more quality gains. It can also prevent us from using an AI to keep test bloat down. (like Rea said: a transition). but is primo strong enough to yield anything when used as the sole anabolic compound for such a short time? (along with the test of course)? It may not be....... and if used, we would probably be looking at 200+mg