Rehab with Deca
- 01-25-2008, 06:40 PM
Rehab with Deca
I haven't gotten one responce to my thread in cycle info section and its been days so I'm testing my waters here in the main steriod section...
So I've been nursing this neck injury for over 3 months now, using cissus, glucosamine, msn...etc. and making trips the the cyropractor 2 times a week along with massage therapy and ice packs at night... I've been to the gym at the most 5 times during this period and am losing my mind wile watching my body deteriorate slowly from the man I used to be.... Its time for some REAL ACTION and in the form of anabolic therapy... I need a little help from everyone in complileing a good cycle for the sole purpose of repairing injured tissue.
I've come across the following article about this subject...
While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.
Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.
Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.
You can plan a cycle of anabolic steroids which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use anabolic steroids like sus, cyp, or enth.
While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.
To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other anabolic steroids, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:
Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days
Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.
GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.
Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.
Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain anabolic steroids -- the decision is up to you.
I have the following anabolics handy in good quantitys to make a good rehab cycle...
Dianibol 50-50mg tabs... I've read from a few sources that it has good rehab effects in use by its self, but have yet to find good scientific data to back it up
Deca- 40ml 150mg/ml
Test prop- 100ml 75mg/ml
Test eth- 30ml 250mg/ml
Dbol- 50mg 50 tabs
IGFL3- 3-3mg vials
200ius of HGH.... coming
I was thinking somthing like
200mg deca /week
225 test prop /week
15mg of Dbol /day
I don't know about the IGF or hgh, haven't used before but sounds like they have great healing propertys
- 01-25-2008, 07:03 PM
Don't know about the AAS because I have never used them but I can vouche for IGF-1 healing injuries quickly. Just doing the recommended dose of Oratropin healed me up incredibly fast.
01-25-2008, 08:55 PM
i dont think i would take anabolicds just for injury repair now that i have used IGF, it healed me up like crazy, no more shoulder pain! also if you want HG results legally, lots of guys on here like taking 150mcg of GHRP6 and hexa twice a day, Grunt76 said it felt like 4iu of GH a day, i bet using IGF three times a week and the GHRP/hex on off days would be a helluva healer and legal too
01-27-2008, 03:27 AM
I have decided to throw hex in the mix and will start the igf later in the run of this cycle... from all the sources I've read, deca is on the top for healing propertys. Mix that with a few peptides and I'll be better than ever... I'm definitly going to log this, so we shall see what the talk is all about.
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