Starting A Torque Cycle. Heard It Was The Best Same As Superdrol...advice Please

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Hello, I Needed A Little Advice. Im Going To Be Starting A Torque Cycle This Monday And I Need To Know If I Am Pretty Much Doing Everything Right.
I Am 23 6'2 170 Lbs I Was On A Cutting Cycle. Im Pretty Cut Right Now. I Just Need 10 Lbs Of Lean Mass My Friends Tell Me I Look Way Too Light.
Just Did A Bsn Mass Stack With A Good Diet And Alot Of Protein. Now I Just Bought A New N.o. Explode, Cell Mass, Liver Care, Torque And Novadex Xt. What Do You Guys Think?
 

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I Have To Look Good For Spring Break. Its Gonna Be A Good One.
 
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you could have saved some of your money for the overpriced drinks at spring break. Your friends say you look too tight? are they in shape? Did you know cell tech has a butt load of sugar? did you know there are better products out there than No xplode? and why do you have livercare but no serm for your superdrol clone? Are you going to wear a bikini top?
Tell me how much research you did on the compounds you are going to take before you take them. Did these come recommended by the guy at the supp store?
 
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trying to find info on torque, cant find anything tho, where did u get it, who makes it and whats in it? If it really is a superdrol clone your gonna need much more than novadex xt to do your post cycle
 

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yeah i checked the fats on the back and they contain the same stuff. what serm would you take?
 

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and you usually take a serm if your nipples start to hurt or some kind of sign. nothing should happen
 
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Please do not take this as a putdown or ragging on your but for your sake DO NOT TAKE YOUR TORQUE. until you know everything about it and how to do a proper PCT. Go to the steroid board and look and read the Steroid forum the cycle forum and the PCT forum when you understand what you are doing and only then. Post a question over there and then after you are 110% sure on what you are doing proceed. and With that I'm gone.
 
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and you usually take a serm if your nipples start to hurt or some kind of sign. nothing should happen
Wow, thats all i gotta say... You are extremely skinny for 6'2" and shouldn't even take any PH especially something as strong as superdrol. You without a doubt need to run a proper PCT with this if its a superdrol clone. There have been many case where people even developed gyno months after stopping a superdrol cycle. Do your research at your size and weight, i think you should learn to eat more before hurting yourself with PH's that you don't understand. You need a good 40 more lbs on you before you even consider taking a substance like SD.
 

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i asked the a trainer who takes the same thing and he says to take it with liver care and after to take novadex xt. i dont really see anything wrong with that. i asked him if i should take a serm and he says no unless you start feeling something after. if you guys think i should take a serg than just reccomend me one.
 

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also nolvadex is a antiestrogen product so i dont know what other product to take
 
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i asked the a trainer who takes the same thing and he says to take it with liver care and after to take novadex xt. i dont really see anything wrong with that. i asked him if i should take a serm and he says no unless you start feeling something after. if you guys think i should take a serg than just reccomend me one.
Half of these so-called "trainers", and especially gym/nutrition store owners have absolutely no idea what they speak of. Do some research here from those who have some experience first.
 

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the thing is hes won like 20 contests here in texas and is like 34 years old he has his own website scotttrout.com
 

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so the serm you speak of is a estrogen reducer and that is what nolvadex xt is doing.....right? when i looked it up that what it said. that it is a antiestrogen product.
Correct or incorrect?
 
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the thing is hes won like 20 contests here in texas and is like 34 years old he has his own website scotttrout.com
One of my best gym buddies is about to turn pro and is on hrt. Apparently something went wrong along the way, granted hes from the oldschool before post cycle therapy was really anything other than a few shots of hcg.
 
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if you guys think i should take a serg than just reccomend me one.
Um, instead, how about I recommend you do 6 more months of research before you hurt yourself? :study: :study: :study:
 
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the thing is hes won like 20 contests here in texas and is like 34 years old he has his own website scotttrout.com
And he probably has the balls the size of a tictac and has to use Viagra on the regular. You dont want to go trying to pick up chicks shut down not to mention your probably going to lose a lot of your gains.
 

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Yep, the ****birds come out every time one of these threads come up. He came for info - give him something. The thing is, he's going to cycle anyways. Instead of *****ing, help... time changes but new guys don't.

I personally have never heard of "Torque", but an earlier post referred to it possibly being a Superdrol clone. Superdrol is one of the harshest designer steroids out right now, and for your first cycle, it's definitly a no-go. Gains with most steroids for you will be similiar... it always falls on your diet and training. But with a Superdrol clone, your opening up your way to some real ugly possibilities. Namely blood pressure issues, lethargy, nasty back aches, and libido destruction. You mentioned that your friend, the trainer, recommends it. According to you, he was won several bodybuilding competitions... which means he is to the point where he has the use the harshest stuff to see solid gains. You, do not. You can use something a little more cycler-friendly, and still see great gains.

Look into Epistane, currently on sale at NP (I think). Many users report solid gains with minimal sides. Compared to a Superdrol clone, you're only saving yourself from a lot of unneccesary side effects.

But before anything, spend an hour or two reading up on everything about steroids and a proper post cycle therapy. It's not only for your health, but it is for your GAINS. If you don't understand everything going on, you're just opening up more ways for you to lose your gains.
 
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so the serm you speak of is a estrogen reducer and that is what nolvadex xt is doing.....right? when i looked it up that what it said. that it is a antiestrogen product.
Correct or incorrect?
NolvAdex is a serm. NovEdex is an OTC product that is NOT a serm. They are not related. Nolvadex will help restart your HPTA after the cycle is over.

If you're that light, you aren't eating enough. If you aren't eating enough OFF cycle, then you probably aren't going to eat enough ON cycle. And then go off and loose any gains you might make.

Just try eating a hell of a lot more and using a decent program and sleep. Seriously, listen to these guys. They are a lot more experienced than you, and know what they're talking about. You run the high risk of screwing yourself up permanently if you don't know what you are doing.

Oh, and don't listen to trainers. 99% are utter morons. I know, I used to be one. (was an utter moron member for a while, then couldn't stand to be in the profession once I got a handle on training for real.) If this guy told you that you'd be fine with Novedex XT after a superdrol clone cycle, he's an idiot and doesn't know what he's talking about, as far as this particular subject. We've all said it, and if you'd just research a little, you'll save yourself a great load of ball ache.


AAannnnddd....Here's your stickies!:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutrition-health/40056-informative-threads-nutritional.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/66113-no-excuses-no.html

You should look these next ones over, these are threads by people who screwed up by not really understanding what they were doing. I'm not trying to scare you out of doing this, but you really need to understand the consequences involved BEFORE you find out firsthand.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/80304-i-need-help.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/79014-post-cycle-therapy.html

This guy DID know what he was doing, and had problems anyway...

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/80463-late-onset-gyno.html

Please, you've got plenty of time before summer to read up before a cycle. While you're reading up, eat.
 
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him. the author of the thread.

using words like "my friends be sayin i too tight"
or something around that.
sounds like a nigga to me.
 
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him. the author of the thread.

using words like "my friends be sayin i too tight"
or something around that.
sounds like a nigga to me.
Gotcha. Somehow read right past that part.
 

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him. the author of the thread.

using words like "my friends be sayin i too tight"
or something around that.
sounds like a nigga to me.
wtf? why bring race into this... it shouldnt madder at all, nevermind the slur that followed
 

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No I was just in a hurry with the spelling. Thanks for the advice. Im happy with my size and my body but i just have 5-10 lbs quick just to meet my goal. Is there anyother stuff besides prohormones that could help me? I guess ill just return this stuff pretty expensive. My plan eat alot more. more complex carbs and take no explode, cell mass and anything else out there thatll give me gains without messing with my hormones. Thanks guys.
 

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oh yeah and dumb a$$ move your head to the right it says way too light ; )
 

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No I was just in a hurry with the spelling. Thanks for the advice. Im happy with my size and my body but i just have 5-10 lbs quick just to meet my goal. Is there anyother stuff besides prohormones that could help me? I guess ill just return this stuff pretty expensive. My plan eat alot more. more complex carbs and take no explode, cell mass and anything else out there thatll give me gains without messing with my hormones. Thanks guys.
The main problem with quick gains is the difficulty in keeping them. Really not a quick fix to any sort of goal. I see that your goal is to develop your body for your Spring Break, and in all honestly, that's a lot of time from now. If you solidify your training/diet, and get on a few proven long(er) term supplements, you will without a doubt blow past your goals. With a cycle, you gain some weight and strength for 4 weeks, and then pretty much spend 4 more weeks attempting to maintain it. And losing some of it is nearly unevitable. That's 8 weeks in total... I think you'll get just as good, if not better, gains without that stuff (and again, you'll keep these).

My vote, along with many others here, would be to drop the BSN products and go after better supplements. BSN is a solid company, but way overpriced and overhyped. Think of them as a competitor to MuscleTech. Similiar products, which work, but there's better products out there by far. A few staples that could really help you get there is as follows (and are affordable enough to be staples):
Bulk Creatine Monohydrate
Bulk Beta-Alanine
Both powders are really affordable at Nutraplanet, and will last you a long, long time. Probably all the way until your spring break, with all jokes aside.

Some others may shoot this down, but check out some natural anabolics, ie natural test boosters. Anabolic Xtreme has put out an effective line of natural anabolics that have worked pretty darn effective, proven in numerous reviews here on this board. HyperdrolX2/MassFX has proven to be a solid stack, increasing strength and dropping bodyfat to a comparable degree with some low end prohormones/steroids. You'll keep the gains, and you can run them for 8 weeks to fully reap their benefits. Expensive yes, but I don't think money should be an issue when you are looking for quality.

Personally, I'm currently using a natural anabolic stack, consisting of Activate Xtreme at 6 caps ED, alongside with 20% Icariin (Horny Goat Weed 20%) and Fenugreek. I'm about a year younger than you, but I'm still feeling some good stuff.

And lastly, there's a product out there that has really caught my eye and is growing attention across the board. It's called Phyto-Test, by Primordial Performance, and it could be one of the best natural anabolics out there. No real reviews on it, as it's brand new, but I'm definitly looking forward to checking it out for myself. The two ingredients inside of it have been hit or miss for some users, but the users that saw results from it were very pleased with the effects. It's a Fenugreek extract and Methoxy-Isoflavone by the way in case you were wondering.
 

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quick question. What do you think of x factor? I have the bsn products so might as well finish those off. And not make the same mistake of buying them again.
So no explde before, the xfactor throughout the day and cell mass after the work out, of course lots of water, food and rest to gain my 10lbs in 2 months. Thanks
 

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also im taking 2 1/2 scoops of protein 3 times a day. Would you guys consider a weight gainer with this?
 
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also im taking 2 1/2 scoops of protein 3 times a day. Would you guys consider a weight gainer with this?
Target 1-2 grams of protein per pound of body weight. But most of it should come from whole foods. Whey protein is quickly absorbed and is great for pre and post workout. Other than those times, you should try to get protein from whole foods like lean meat, fish, and dairy, rather than from protein shakes.
 

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GREAT, THANKS.
Also what do you guys think of my stack?
 
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And he probably has the balls the size of a tictac and has to use Viagra on the regular. You dont want to go trying to pick up chicks shut down not to mention your probably going to lose a lot of your gains.

What ever you'd like to know about my balls just ask and I'll tell you untill then don't insult people you don't know. If you like you can speak to my gf about my need for Viagra as well.

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