Epidrol/Furazadrol Log

[kidracer69]

stats: 23, 5'8", 165lbs, bf approx 8-10%, ectomorph
training: on/off for 4 years serious the last 2
history: some methylated supps in the past with no guidance so it wasn't the "correct" way
goals: gonna need some bandages cause I wanna get cut

epidrol
10/20/30/30-40mg daily

furazadrol
100/100/100-150/100-150mg daily

silymarin 300mg daily
omega3 2000mg daily
gnc multi daily

wk3/4
ax retain2
3caps/3
ax massfx
4caps/4

pct

nolvadex
40/40/20/20

ax hyperdrolx2
not sure? taper down w/ serm?

ax massfx
3/3/2/1

ax retain2
3/3/2/2

ai cycle support
2scoop daily

axis labs creatine ee
3mg 2x daily

tribulus
1000mg daily

other supplements include
on flax seed oil
on amino acids
on serious mass
on whey gold
prolab glutamine
various protein/snack bars

daily intake is approx 3200cal 180g protein

I will post what my training looks like later. Epi is in the mail right now and I will start within the week I get it.

 

[amicold]

Have fun, subbed, I'm on Havoc and Furaz now, still in the early stages but noticing things already. Day 5. If you haven't read or been told already, stay hydrated.

 

[matthew76]

Furazadrol is not methylated.

EPI is methylated.

Should be a great stack.

 

[kidracer69]

Here's what I've been doing the last few weeks. I will up reps for definition/endurance/strength when I start my cycle.


1-2min rest between eat set

27-Dec Chest/Tri/Abs
DB Incline Press 85x10/90x8/95x6
DB Decline Press 50x15/55x12/60x10
Flat Bench Press 185x10/205x8/215x6
Incline X Over 25 3x10
Decline X Over 30 x10 25x2 x10
Dips 3x20
Cable Crunch 87.5 3x10
Obliques Crunch 45 3x15
Cable Oblique Crunch 50 1x10 each side
1:17 approx

28-Dec Back/Bi/Abs
Machine Row #11x15/#12x12/#13x10
Lat Pull Down 145x10/160x8/175x6
DB Row 80x15/80x10
Barbel Curl (straight) 65x15/70x8/75x6
Dead Lift 315x10/x8/x8
Crunch w/ weight 35 3x15
Obliques Crunch 45 3x15
1 hr approx

29-Dec Shoulders/Forearms/Abs
DB Press 50x15/55x12/60x10
DB Lat Raise 35 3x15
Cable Swing (side to side) 20 3x15
DB Shrug 90 3x10
Reverse BB Curl 40x15/45x12/50x10
Behind Wrist BB Curl 75x15/85x12/95x10
Behind Wrist BB Curl Bar x Fail
Knee Raises 3x15
Obliques 45 3x15
45lb bar twist
45 min approx

31-Dec Legs/Calfs/Obliques
Smith Machine Squat 275 3x15
Leg Press 6platesx15/7x12/8x10
Leg Extention 140x12/150x10/160x8
Leg Curl 25 3x15
Calf 5Plates 3x15
Calf 1P 1x20
Cable Crunch 87.5 3x10
Obliques 45 3x15
1:10

1-Jan Chest/Tri/Abs
DB Incline Press 85x10/90x8/95x6
DB Decline Press 50x15/55x12/60x10
Flat Bench Press 185x10/205x8/215x6
Incline X Over 25 3x10
Decline X Over 30 x10 25x2 10x
Dips x20/17/15
Cable Crunch 87.5 3x10
Oblique Crunch 45 3x15
Cable Oblique Crunch 50 1x10 each side
1:17 approx

2-Jan Back/Bi
Machine Row 110x15/130x12/150x10
Lat Pull Down 150x10/162x8/175x6
DB Row 60x15/65x12/70x10
BB Curl 55x15/60x12/65x10
Dead Lift 275 3x10
10 min run
1 hr approx

3-Jan Shoulders/Forearm/Obliques
DB Press 45x15/50x12/55x10
DB Lat Raise 35 3x15
Cable Swing 15 3x15
DB Shrug 95 3x10
Reverse BB Curl 40x15/45x12/50x10
Behind Wrist BB Curl 85x15/95x12/105x10
Behind Wrist BB Curl Bar 85 x Fail
Knee Raises 3x20
Obliques 45 3x15

5-Jan Legs/Calf/Obliques
Smith Machine Squat 275 3x15
Leg Press 6px15/7x12/8x10
Leg Extention 135x12/147x10/160x8
Leg Curl 25/35/35 x15
Calf Machine 5P 3x15
Calf Machine 1P 1x20
Cable Crunch 87.5/95/95 x10
Leg Raises
Oblique Crunch 45 3x15
1hr approx

6-Jan Chest/Tri/Obliques
Flat Bench Press 185x10/205x8/225x6
DB Incline Press 75x10/80x8/85x6
DB Decline Press 50x15/55x12/60x10
Incline X Over 25 3x10
Decline X Over 25 3x10
Dips 3x15
Obliques 45 3x15
1hr approx

7-Jan Back/Bi/Obliques
Machine Row 110x15/130x12/150x10
Rope Pull 160 2x15
Lat Pull Down 150x10/162x8/175x6
DB Row 65x15/70x12/75x10
BB Curl (straight) 55x15/60x12/65x10
Dead Lift 275 3x10
Oblique Crunch 45 3x15
1hr approx

8-Jan Shoulders/Forearms/Abs
DB Press 45x15/50x12/55x10
DB Lat Raise 35 3x15
Cable Swing 15 3x15
DB Shrug 95 3x10
Reverse BB Curl 40x15/45x12/50x10
Behind Wrist BB Curl 85x15/95x12/105x10
Behind Wrist BB Curl Bar 85 1x20
Cable Crunch 95 3x10
Oblique Crunch 45 3x15
1 hr approx

 

[kidracer69]

Bump for info on running Hyperdrolx2

 

[kidracer69]

I received my stuff and would like some more thoughts on hdrolx2.

 

[matthew76]

You will get better responses in the AX forum...

 

[tunnelrat]

subd...

will probably run the same stack sometime next month :box: .

 

[kidracer69]

Switched week 1 to 10/10/20/20/20/20/30
Also will use 300mg milkthistle for week1-2 oncycle
2 scoops of cycle support on cycle week 3-4 and 1 scoop during 4 week pct.
Hyperdrolx2 will be used as label perscribed 4/day starting mid pct to end as androgen levels should be low when I come off cycle and it would be a waste to use an AI that early.

So I'm on day 4 right now and I'm feeling great. Energy level is up throughout entire workout. Strength is going up but I believe thats from just working out hard. No big jump yet.
Weight has increased 1-2 lbs within the first 4 days. No visual differences yet.

 

[kidracer69]

On day 9

30mg of epi
and i decided with 2 bottles of fur i might as well use it all
so now im up to 200mg 2nd week, then 250 for my last 2 weeks because my first week i have some left over from only using 100/150.

i noticed bloody noses and strength gains. not a big jump like when i took methyl 1a 2 years ago.

weight is up 5lbs all muscle.

im not getting as cut/lean. im sure the product is working so im trying to figure out if its my diet or my routine.

so far ive only upped the weight on certain exercises like abs and increased reps to 15-20 on others.
i rather change my routine a bit as my diet is hard to follow as is being deployed. should i just increase reps or should i lower the weight as well?

 

[kidracer69]

wondering if diet is the main reason why im not getting as cut. im deployed so its a bit hard. however my buddy was on tren extreme the oral by american cellular i believe and he got pretty lean even though he wasnt dieting at all- and i know its not because his body either as hes naturally has more body fat than me and a slower metabolism. hmmm

anyway, i eat 2 real meals a day and supplement with 2x 600calorie 30g protein shakes morning and before bed. i also have a whey protein i use pre/post workout. the high calorie shakes are high in carbs. with all that and 1-2 various protein bars i get 3200+ calories and about 180g protein a day for a 170lb guy (165 pre cycle 2 weeks ago). do you think its because the high carbs that im not shedding as much? im mainly taking that protein for the high calories but maybe the carbs are counter productive.

 

[AE14]

I ran a similar stack found fairly solid results, however unless you are using hugh doses of frua, I found the results of it primarily are minimal. Epi however is a wonder

 

[tunnelrat]

do you think its because the high carbs that im not shedding as much?

it may be that you're missing two-three more solid meals...

 

[kidracer69]

Yeah I have 2 bottles of fur and started at 100 and was going to bump to 150-200 by the 4th week but then I thought I'd still have left overs and would need another bottle anyway for a 2nd cycle so I might as well just use it all.

So I'm ending my 2nd week and on 200mg of fur.. wk3-4 will be 250mg. I can do week 3 at 250 because my first week I only used 100mg.

I'm feeling pretty tight now these past 2 days and I took a shower this morning after back workout and was stunned at how much tighter I looked after 2-3 days.

As far as solid meals- Im deployed so I cant do anything about that. Plus Ive been on this diet for 3 months already and packed on 20lbs from it so it hasnt stopped me yet.

I quit taking a scoop of serious mass before bed and replaced with just whey. 100calories 25g protein vice 600cal 25g protein.

The only bad thing I see with this stack right now is that I don't feel that "on" or wanting to fight someone feeling. Also I dont know if its the epi or fur working. I will have to review my cycle with others later to see which has similar results and then maybe I can distinguish which has given me what/better results.

 

[kidracer69]

Day 17.. started retain 2 and massfx (forgot to take it on day 15/16 but ill just use it at the end of my pct)

i decided to keep nolva on hold as im seeing very little sides. just some facial acne but i already have a bit so no biggie.

gains still at 5lbs. i was expecting more but with no sides, strength gains and strength i am happy.

i was hurting because i felt i wasnt getting enough out of my cycle. something was lacking.. i wasnt getting as cut and i didnt want to increase weights even though i know i could lift more so i added reps because im happy with my size and just wanted to get more lean/cut. however i was on a point where i was stressing my muscles out just enough to maintain. i needed a good shock and i needed to push myself so i upped the weight and im feeling great! i actually am quite happy with the strength results. i am doing 245 x 6 with my spotter barely tapping the bar- up from 225 with spot. and im doing 9plates x 8 on each leg for the leg press lying leg press machine- up from 7 plates x 15.

i also got a hold on a fat calculator tool and my bf is at 3.7 although i think it might be a bit off as i couldnt pull enough fat from my leg so i might have been doing it wrong. my fat on my chest seemed to be a lot more flimsy than my friend whos got a big more fat than myself- kinda weird.

however from visual comparison i seemed to have either lost some fat and gained 5lbs of pure muscle or kept the same bf and gained muscle. awesome!

i cant wait to see where week 4 leads as 40mg is making it come alive! i really think its the epi and not so much the fur.. fur seems to be making me hard..

libido is same/moderate.. never had a high libido and im deployed so i guess im always horny.. haha

i also cut out my serious mass shake before bed and replaced with regular whey.. also taking my morning serious mass 2x spread in the day instead of 1 massive shake in the morning.

 

[kidracer69]

Did back today..

200lbs lat pull down x6
315 3x8 pretty easy deadlift
245/255/265 x6 each barely spotted flat bench
(i do 1-2 exercise really heavy from the previous day)

this stuff is kicking in good!

however i seem to be losing/gaining .5 lbs
with my low bf i think i will put that serious mass shake back in my sup routine.

 

[zakchange]

Sorry to jump on your thread but I have a question about this stack. I have been on Epi/Furaz for about 3 weeks. After about 2 weeks at 30mg epi and 100 mg furaz each day I was not seeing the results I expected. So I bumped my dosage up to 40/150 and ordered another bottle of each. I will be extending my cycle to 6 weeks and increasing my dosage each week. However something got screwed up with my order and now I am out of both for a few days until it arrives. I have had some results and do not want to lose what I started. Does anyone think I should run to the local vitamin store and get something else to take in the mean time?

 

[matthew76]

6 weeks? It's not wise to do that...
What do you have planned for your post cycle therapy?

 

[zakchange]

6 weeks? It's not wise to do that...
What do you have planned for your post cycle therapy?

I have read of many people doing 6 week cycles. Especially with such mild PH's as Epistane and Furazadrol. My PCT will be Tamoxifen, Blue Up, Yellow Neuphoria and liver support.

 

[matthew76]

Ok, if you read that people have done it, I guess it's safe... :wtf:

 

[zakchange]

Ok, if you read that people have done it, I guess it's safe... :wtf:

Matthew thanks for your concern. I notice you are an Axis rep. What is your recommendation for Furazadrol cycle length and optimum dosage?

 

[kidracer69]

I dont know about taking a break... you will have to search on the halflife of the products and how long it stays in your body.

if its a 2 week break i would try to start it up again at a low dose and not the 40 where you left off. depending on your body 6 weeks might not be good. also as a disclaimer this is just my opinion. gl

i saw some great results that i will post later.
i cannot separate what product gave what as i stacked them but from logs id say the epi did more. the fur gave me a good pump alone as i took it 2 days after my epi ran out because i had extra from low dosing at the beginning. i also showed a lot more veins and my skin felt very tight. muscles became more hard as well.

 

[MattMiller]

Matthew thanks for your concern. I notice you are an Axis rep. What is your recommendation for Furazadrol cycle length and optimum dosage?

depending on what you weigh 150-200mg seems to be the most popular dosage. many people say they see nothing from 100mg so maybe you should bump it up a little and see how you feel. i'm gonna run almost this exact stack...havoc 20/30/40/40 furazadrol 150/200/200/200

 

[kidracer69]

theres no point in running it at 150/200mg. not only does it work better at higher doses, but you will have 1/2 a bottle left over and for what? might as well use it up. thats why i increased after the first week because its useless having a couple pills at the end and ordering new bottles isnt cheap.

 

[kidracer69]

Here are some pics.. I will post a full excel sheet with all my notes and workout later.


Anyone have tips on how to get my muscles harder? Particularly in the arms? They have gone a little softer since I finished.

 

[kidracer69]

Jesus... I had to resize in mspaint but I didnt expect them to look this bad... It makes the last two shots look identical even though I have changed quite a bit...

Although pictures dont lie, I am not lying myself when I say the progression is a lot better in real life. You can definitely tell comparing my latest shots to my beginning shots, but I still changed from Feb11-Mar1 ever so slightly.

Cheers!

 

[kidracer69]

Updated with better resize pics...

Should I repost this in the log section? Seems like I'd get better responses.

 

[silverSurfer]

What happened to your chest? Is that paint? I hope it is.

 

[kidracer69]

I photochopped my tattoos..

 

[Champ]

I photochopped my tattoos..

lol. I was starting to think that your g/f was beating you.

 

[npinto1]

Im about to start this exact cycle hopefully next week. Just waiting on my order from nutraplanet. Im 5'9 164lbs. With a little more bf% than you. This should be interesting to compare the results.

 

[kidracer69]

Ok so Ive been about 4 weeks off of everything. I'm only taking protein, vitamin etc.

Weight has dropped but my arms got a quarter inch bigger. (I think thats from the TUT exercises and start of adding in 2 more bicep exercises to my routine.) Overall size still the same however.
I think this means I'm losing some fat. I dropped calories and started a cutting exercise routine. Waist has trimmed down a bit too.
I attribute this to the weight drop to less calories, which I will boost back up, and my ectomorphic body always burning a ton of fuel.
I also maintained about 70% of strength gains. I had sprained my ankle and changed routines so it's hard to tell.


My nips feel a bit sore. If I press on them firmly it feels the same as a sore muscle. Is this anything?
I dont know if this was prior but there is a small lump inbetween the nip my chest muscle. I can flex my chest and pull at the lump away from the muscle so I know its not the muscle itself.

Edit: Would like to add the that lump behind the nip is about the size of a skittles candy on the left and about 2-2.5 skittles candy on the right.

 

[kidracer69]

anyone?

 

[RenegadeRows]

anyone?

Do you have any nolvadex left?

I always keep some on hand post cycle in case there is a rebound.

I'd take 20mg, then 10mg for a few days see if it goes away. Once it does, cease dosing nolva.

I don't think its gyno, but doing that will make you feel better

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Just to note, gyno REALLY hurts, i mean it kills. I think your just poking and proding hard enough to elecit a response. When I had gyno, if someone brushed up against me it was pure agony.

 

[kidracer69]

I sent my nolva home. I never ended up using it.

I have some friends here with clomid and 6oxo so I will take both as to control and prevent rebound.

I will take clomid 100mg for 1-2 weeks and then 75-50 depending on how that first 2 weeks go.
I will take 6oxo according to directions.

Nips seems to be more sensitive and I rather be safe.

Should I be worried about those lumps?