Best topical for muscle DENSITY?
- 08-03-2003, 08:07 PM
- 08-04-2003, 09:48 AM
One test is best for muscle density, but by itself will reduce libido/induce fatigue. Add about 1/3 total of 4AD to combat this, and the minimal amount should keep bloat down to a minimumj, although bloat can be a good thing for strength, which in turn will increase muscle mass.
- 08-04-2003, 09:49 AM
1 test + 1/4 andro
1/4 andro + 3 alpha
4ad + letrozle
4ad + arimidex
4ad + 1test + arimidex
give us some stats and some cycle history and we'll try to set one up for yyou.
08-04-2003, 03:16 PM
What results can I acheive with 1-test alone?
My current stats are, 5'9",194lbs, about 20% fat right now. Even when I drop to low fat level and diet hard my muscles have always felt soft to the touch when cold, but hard and tight when I have A pump on! I am new to the prohormone supplements (other than some andro I used like five years ago) I am very interested in using 1-test, it seems like the first supplement that lives up to its hype (unlike so many others) Anyway, three years ago I did use winstrol with some sust, and another short cycle of prop ran on its own A while after! I know I cant expect results that would compare to this but I just want to get the best possible results from 1-test,4-a.d etc. that I can! Thanks for the help !
08-04-2003, 03:29 PM
Man if I were you id do some hardcore cutting efore I ran a cycle or id run a cutting cycle. Man if you wanted to make a valiant effort ay hitting 12% bf youd see a huge difference in the density of your muscles. I personally would run a trans with 400 mg 4ad + 400 mg 3 beta + 50 mcg t3(oral) per day. That would be a great cutting stack. The 4ad would help put on some muscle and stave off catbaolism. The 3-beta would inhibit estrogen and increase strength. The t3 would pump up your metabolism and let you shed some fat. Its pretty hardcore but its a great cutting cycle. Once again this is all in my opinion and it is a pretty hard core stack or a first cycle.
08-04-2003, 04:57 PM
maggmonster, for that cutting stack, say your using BDC t-gel, how many grams of each 4ad and 3 beta would you use? and would post cycle need to be run as normal? I'm thinking about running a hardcore cutting stack.
08-04-2003, 07:29 PM
7 grams of 3 beta 8 grams of 4ad yep run a normal post
08-04-2003, 07:39 PM
what do you think about running that without the T3?
08-04-2003, 07:41 PM
sorry, couple more questions magg, how long would you run it for and how many squirts per day? I would like to run a long cycle to get really good effects from it, 8-10 weeks perhaps. What kind of results did u get on that?
08-05-2003, 07:44 AM
Run 4 squirts a dayand with the 3 beta in there I wouldnt run longer than a month(nasty androgenic sides) I ran this and hardened up nicely though I ran fl7 + SU at the same time. This was last year before spring break.
08-05-2003, 08:17 AM
I would not run the t3 for the duration of a 8-10 weeks.
T3 should be cycled 2-3 weeks ON, 2-3 weels off and repeat.
You don't want to F&*K up yout thyroid.
T3 is a serious med and should not be treated as a run of the mill cutting supp.
08-05-2003, 08:18 AM
Cutting is more about diet than supplements, but of course a good cycle can help preserv a bit more muscle.
08-05-2003, 09:37 AM
Over on avant labs many reccomend running t3 ata constant dosage throughout a cycle for increased protein synthesis and lessened fat storage or fat loss. I know you know your stuff Chi and your right the normal taper cycle that goes up to 125 mcg would be very dangerous over along period of time but at a constant lower dosage I think you are actually safer than slamming your thyroid with huge doses and then coming off suddenly. Yes you are right diet is huge, I asssumed his diet was in check and I am sorry for that. So before i reccomend a cycle lets see some stats time lifting and diet....
08-05-2003, 12:02 PM
I could be wrong, but I would bet that even at 50mcg/day for extended periods, one would run a quite higher risk of shutting down the thyroid and/or causing permanant damage.
I am a believer of..... "better than safe than sorry".......especially when it come to the thyroid.
08-05-2003, 12:13 PM
According to most studies you can't really shut down your thyroid
08-05-2003, 03:38 PM
Diet and training are excellent, I am currently being trained by Iron Addict, and following his diet and training to a T, so I'm good on that aspect. So running the 3-Beta for more than a month would be that bad? what about running it at that dosage for mmaybe 6 weeks or so?
08-05-2003, 04:26 PM
I would run it until I felt the sides were unbearable, in my case thats about 4 weeks in yours it may be six. its great for strength and hardness. I wish I could afford to get trained by IA. :-(
08-05-2003, 04:33 PM
what sides were making it unbearable for you?
08-05-2003, 05:09 PM
Well I started to lose some hair
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