prohormone with least sides

[Iceman1414]

Hey guys....I was wondering about this...I posted a thread some weeks back about my brother being on sus 500 and having bad sides included rapid heart beat and high blood pressure and the consensus was he should immediately stop. Then I thought of my last cycle of mass tabs I had gotten terrieble nervousness and anxiety from. Is there a pro-hormone that is known to not cause an increase in blood pressure as well as not to bring on anxiety, as neg. sides. Or if all ph's do is there one there does it less then others. I was also curious what the poll would look like on the prohormone the gave the most weight gain under bulking diets and and a bulking routine. I apprecate all responces.

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

Alot of those sides could be because of not having proper support supps during cycle.

No PH is going to be side free but some of the milder ones would be h-drol, Epi/Havoc.

Try to get bloodwork before doing anything to make sure there is no problem there and get your BP checked to make sure that is not a problem before starting anything.

Most important wait till you get some other opinions from others here as i do not have as much knowledge as some others here good luck:thumbsup:

 

[Iceman1414]

I appreciate your advice so far pembroke...I know all ph's wll have sides I just want to find the ones that have milder sides in those categories. I will look into h-drol, Epi/Havoc.

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

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in conclusion I think havoc would be a fine choice.

 

[methodice]

be wary of the person who uses the word havoc 87 times in one sentence

 

[Rodja]

be wary of the person who uses the word havoc 87 times in one sentence

Be weary of the person who counts how many times someone used Havoc in a sentence.

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

be wary of the person who uses the word havoc 87 times in one sentence

well I only used it 78 times all-together.. so nothing to worry about here...:ntome:

 

[methodice]

Haha, at first I wasn't gonna count, then I went back to my old roots, maths in school, I noticed the 5 rows, I could not stop myself...

 

[JBerto]

Furazadrol, Propadrol, 1,4ad

 

[UnrealMachine]

Hdrol, ridiculously low sides, so mild

 

[EasyEJL]

1-T or 1-AD

 

[FitModel]

what's better...

Axis Labs Furazadrol or EST Propadrol

 

[Iceman1414]

what is the avg. weight and strength gain ppl see when using havoc?

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

what is the avg. weight and strength gain ppl see when using havoc?

hard to answer. too many factors to account for.

*however, if your training and diet are on track you can probably expect a good 10lbs of lean mass along with some considerable strength increases.
*disclaimer: this is a total approximation

 

[Iceman1414]

how long is a good havoc cycle? 4 weeks or 6? and what dossages would be good without going overboard?

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

i'd go 6 like this:
30/30/40/40/40/40

how much do you weigh?

 

[Iceman1414]

192 in the morning at 5'10 with 12% bf

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

ok, then if you are feeling up to it then you could get away with havoc dosed like this:

30/40/40/50/50/50

 

[bignative22]

hdrol for no sides if you want a methyl. i've heard that propadrol is no sides either but it's a nonmethyl so i dunno about the gains

epi was ok for me, just a bit of hairloss at the end

 

[LilPsychotic]

what is the avg. weight and strength gain ppl see when using havoc?

significant

 

[LilPsychotic]

i'd go 6 like this:
30/30/40/40/40/40

how much do you weigh?

If its your first run, i'd do 4 weeks @ 30-40mg.

 

[TripDog]

1-T or 1-AD

Hell NO.........1-T or 1-ad have serious sides bro!!!

 

[TripDog]

Halodrol,h-drol ftw!

 

[Iron Warrior]

4-AD was the safest PH I used. It was just magical stuff when combined with 1-Test when I was too scared to use real steroids.

 

[TripDog]

4-AD was the safest PH I used. It was just magical stuff when combined with 1-Test when I was too scared to use real steroids.

Uhhh 1-test is (dihydro boldenone) a very androgenic steroid!!! Will make your hair fall out quicker than you can say stupid user,aside from blood pressure,lipids,and acne....... Low sides? Do your homework bro!

 

[jomi822]

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in conclusion I think havoc would be a fine choice.

havoc almost ****ing killed me and i gained 20lbs in 4 weeks.

try halodrol at 50mgs a day.

 

[fatsuperman]

Halodrol is very very mild...but you can notice some real gains.

I've done

superdrol (big time lethargy)
epistand (lethargy late in cycle) but mild recovery

Halodrold has NO NO lethargy increases my libido, and recovery is a snap!

 

[pistonpump]

Haha, at first I wasn't gonna count, then I went back to my old roots, maths in school, I noticed the 5 rows, I could not stop myself...

sadly you were still wrong lol

rodja i was gonna type that exact same thing too lol.

 

[methodice]

that was a test to see who would pick it up

 

[Whacked]

hdrol for no sides if you want a methyl.

No disrespect intended but how do you even include ANY methyl in the answer group here? By definition, methylated hormones are livertoxic (sometimes significantly).

 

[Iron Warrior]

Uhhh 1-test is (dihydro boldenone) a very androgenic steroid!!! Will make your hair fall out quicker than you can say stupid user,aside from blood pressure,lipids,and acne....... Low sides? Do your homework bro!

It didn't do damage to my hairline but I'm lucky in that department. The main thing that sucked was some slight lethargy but I didn't get any crazy sides from it. However, M1T is something I would not mess with. I know it's not the safest, 4-AD was for me, but it's a solid hormone

 

[PhilABowl]

No disrespect intended but how do you even include ANY methyl in the answer group here? By definition, methylated hormones are livertoxic (sometimes significantly).

What good are massive pecs without a massive liver?

 

[UnrealMachine]

What good are massive pecs without a massive liver?

The liver needs to be worked too, you have to hit every group equally in bb-ing. :bb:

 

[jomi822]

i ****ing loved m1t. best steroid i ever used.

 

[T-Bone]

Uhhh 1-test is (dihydro boldenone) a very androgenic steroid!!! Will make your hair fall out quicker than you can say stupid user,aside from blood pressure,lipids,and acne....... Low sides? Do your homework bro!

Extremely low sides!. I have done several 1T/4AD trans cycles back in the day before methyl this and methyl that crap!. I would say it is only slightly androgenic!. Sure maybe at 800mg a day you might get some sides, but at normal doses it is practically side effect free. The only side effect is lethargy and that is not an issue if you stack it correctly with an estrogenic steroid. Most, if not all steroids have the simple side effects that you stated, "acne, blood pressure, lipids"....You want androgenic try high doses of m5aa!!!!.

 

[freezito]

if someone could get their hands on 4ad, oral that is, what could they exspect for their first cycle

 

[EasyEJL]

if someone could get their hands on 4ad, oral that is, what could they exspect for their first cycle

nothing, cause 4ad is almost completely unavailable orally or requires a ridiculous amount. Its still more a supplemental or stacker, as it is the prohormone to regular testosterone. so what you'd get is like having more testosterone.

 

[jmh80]

Epistane was my favorite. Mainly because I felt so great on it mentally.

Jomi/Trip - when you guys say Halodrol - I assume you mean the Gaspari version. True?
Seems like people like the original version better than the clones. I tried a clone a while back - didn't see squat from it.

 

[freezito]

hmmm, well i was told orally you would have too take about 900mg daily stacked with like epi and it would be effective. I dont know though, research on 4ad is almost non existant

 

[AE14]

I would agree with the Epi/Havoc thoughts

 

[EasyEJL]

hmmm, well i was told orally you would have too take about 900mg daily stacked with like epi and it would be effective. I dont know though, research on 4ad is almost non existant

theres a lot more out there about it as a transdermal, probably a ton in the transdermal section here on AM

 

[freezito]

well I have acess to it orally. My buddy has almost 100 bottles. They are 200mg a pill. He said I can have what I need to stack with epi when I do my epi cycle. Thats why I am trying to find info. I was told 600-900 daily would suffice. I want to confirm that or find some good reading but like i said orally there isnt much info

 

[EasyEJL]

yeah, jeez I guess with an unlimited free supply it could work It still is more helpful with the highly suppressive compounds, cause it will give your body some testosterone to replace what is missing, so you will feel more normal.

 

[cromwell]

Uhhh 1-test is (dihydro boldenone) a very androgenic steroid!!! Will make your hair fall out quicker than you can say stupid user,aside from blood pressure,lipids,and acne....... Low sides? Do your homework bro!

Totally agree, the Only ph or steroid (other than m1p) that gave me noticable sides (some hair thinning and major shutdown and higher blood pressure) I am not naturally prone to any of these issues.

 

[Synicus]

For me:

Least sides: Prostanzol/Mega-zol, etc. Altho increase in
BP vs effectiveness + cost makes me wonder if they're worth it. Planning Winztrol + Halo in future.

Feel good PHs, low sides: above, Pheraplex, Havoc/epistane

 

[FitModel]

Right now I'm leaning towards H-Drol (CEL) 50 - 75mgs with Furazadrol (Axis Labs) 100mgs - - - are those the best brands?

Or I was thinking a low dose of Havoc (20mgs) with a low dose of H-Drol (50mgs)

note : my cycle would only be 3 - 4 weeks to minimize sides.
PCT would be: Torm, LX2, Trib, Fenugreek, Creatine (throughout cycle too)

 

[fatsuperman]

I tried a clone a while back - didn't see squat from it.

jmh80, which clone did you try that you felt was ineffective?

It seems the Halodrol clones seem to recommend the pitiful dosage 50mgs. Reality is most of us probably need to use at the very least 75 mgs/day, I prefer 100 mgs.

Epistane is a stand up choice for a mild PH. Seems to produce a little better result, but some get lethargy from it.

Epistane makes me feel pretty good when I start it, but Halodrol increases my libido, so its give and take.

 

[Iron Warrior]

Totally agree, the Only ph or steroid (other than m1p) that gave me noticable sides (some hair thinning and major shutdown and higher blood pressure) I am not naturally prone to any of these issues.

I did good with sides by taking several protective supplements. I used:

1. Fish oil
2. Red Yeast Rice
3. Garlic
4. Co Q-10
5. Hawthorne Berries
6. Celery Seed

 

[colindep]

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in conclusion I think havoc would be a fine choice.

I believe its 77 times.

 

[TripDog]

Epistane was my favorite. Mainly because I felt so great on it mentally.

Jomi/Trip - when you guys say Halodrol - I assume you mean the Gaspari version. True?
Seems like people like the original version better than the clones. I tried a clone a while back - didn't see squat from it.

I only used the Gaspari stuff.