Best PH to stack with H-Drol?
- 11-03-2007, 08:15 AM
- 11-03-2007, 08:31 AM
i'd run it alone if i was you or add a non-methyl like furazadrol or propadrol (think its non meth).
Other "light" ph's could be Epistane or Havoc.
11-03-2007, 10:59 AM
11-03-2007, 11:07 AM
Im not searching for "extreme gains", but for lean mass gains with no water retention and no sides.
This will be my first cycle, so i'll take 50mg of HD for only 4 weeks, stacking it with another mild PH.
11-03-2007, 12:11 PM
1,4 AD shouldnt be wet as its a precursor to boldenone and thats known for lean gains in muscle and weight not wet gains. You might be thinkign of M 1,4 ADD which is wet.
11-03-2007, 05:31 PM
my next cycle im going to stack H-Drol and superdrol(mdrol) should be interesting but if your worried about sides and stuff i probably wouldnt reccomend the same stack. I would go with the epistane if i was in your shoes.
11-03-2007, 06:06 PM
Furazadrol, propadrol, winztrol, or TRN/Trenadrol. I think the TRN/Trenadrol (plz don't start the argument about them being different compounds here) would be pretty sick to stack with H-Drol as long as the doseage is below six mg. Maybe 50mg Hdrol with 2-4mg TRN.
RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
11-03-2007, 06:30 PM
11-03-2007, 10:44 PM
11-04-2007, 05:13 AM
I´ve just found this in the Net: Prohormone FAQs - DiscountAnabolics.com Forum
If that is true and H-Drol is a "Class II" PH, then the best dry PH to stack with it would be a "Class I" dry PH: 1,4AD Bold or Epistane, isn't it?The difference between "wet" and "dry" steroids/phs is water retention. Water retention is caused by estrogen through aromatase.
Wikipedia: Aromatase is an enzyme of the cytochrome P450 superfamily (EC 184.108.40.206), whose function is to aromatize androgens (that is, to selectively increase their aromaticity), producing estrogens. As such, it is an important factor in sexual development.
Effectively: Aromatase is when excess testosterone converts to estrogen.
M1T (and subsequent legal variants/clones)
M1T(and legal clones)
On the strength category there are probably more, but from what I hear those are the biggies.
Steroids are classified under 2 categories. Class I has a strong binding to the androgen receptor. Class II does not bind to the androgen receptors, rather it works through other means in the body.
Class I = binds to androgen receptor
Class II = does not.
These prohormones classifications are based on thier steroid counterparts. If there are any revisions needed PLEASE message me.
Boldenone based phs - 1,4AD & Bold
Trenbolone based phs - Trenadrol & Trenaplex
Testosterone based phs - Methyl 1 Testosterone
Mepitiostane (Thioderon) based phs - Epithio & Clones (Havoc/Epistane/so on so forth)
Masteron (Dromostanolone) based phs - Superdrol & Clones
Oral Turinabol (Dehydrochlormethyltestosteron e) based phs - Halodrol & Clones
Dianabol (methandrostenolone) based phs - M1,4ADD etc
Winstrol (stanozolol) based phs - Winztrol, Orastan-A, Furaguno, etc
Furazabol (miotolan) based phs - Furazadrol etc
Pheraplex & Clones
11-04-2007, 07:17 AM
11-04-2007, 07:27 AM
11-04-2007, 07:30 AM
bold is iffy, as you'd basically want to start taking it 3-4 weeks before hdrol, to let it get started as it a slow compound, and then also moderately expsneive to run. Tren has the highest side effects of the 3, but will add the most strength at the same time. Epistane is relatively low side effect.
11-04-2007, 08:14 AM
11-04-2007, 09:09 AM
Is there a reason in particular to not do 2 class IIs? I had been pondering a halo / prostanazol (winztrol) for serious minimal side effects with leaning + hardening at the same time.
11-04-2007, 09:17 AM
11-04-2007, 09:22 AM
yeah, that was what I guessed you were thinking. I'm surprised that superdrol is in class 2. I guess its a marker of how androgenic a compound is vs how anabolic.
11-04-2007, 09:31 AM
I've found this: Class I and Class II Androgens - Classification System Corresponding to Synergistic Effect by Bill Roberts
It seems the best is stacking a Class I with a Class II PH.
And i prefer dry PHs over wet PHs, because dry causes lower water retention an gyno than wet.
So, with that conditions and after reading the posts, i think the perfect stack would be H-Drol/Bold or H-Drol/Epistane
11-04-2007, 09:37 AM
I may end up doing light mega-trn with hdrol. Or since M1T is listed I imagine regular 1-t would also be a class one, I could do 1-t + halo. 1-t is relatively low sides as well (other than HTPA suppression)
11-04-2007, 11:29 AM
Finally, i decided my first cycle will be H-Drol/Epistane. I think it would be fine for decent lean mass gains with minimal sides.
Now i need yours help again:
I plan take this mg. of each product by day (HD comes in bottles of 60 caps with 25mg each, and Epi is 90 caps. of 10mg):
Week HD Epi
1 - 25 20
2 - 50 30
3 - 75 40
4 - 50 30
Total: 56caps of HD and 84caps of Epi (so would remain 4caps of HD and 6 of Epi, and i take that remaining caps the 5th. week, one cap of each by day)
I think that dose is fine. Do you think is OK?
Any advice about post cycle therapy with that?
11-04-2007, 11:41 AM
how much do you weigh
because i am over 200 and saw really good gains when i was at 100mg ed of halo
good gains being 4lbs in that week and looked a lot leaner than the week prior. Also I had a lot of Personal Records on that week
it might be worth getting another 20$ bottle imho
11-04-2007, 11:47 AM
11-04-2007, 11:51 AM
I would strongly suggest no taper down at the end. just end it when it ends instead. if you are already experiencing htpa shutdown/suppression, lowering the dose will not have it start coming back any earlier, but you will get lower (to none at all) gains that week.
11-04-2007, 12:16 PM
well then i think 75mg will be fine in that case
but remember your going to get shutdown (degree of shutdown not known) either way so PCT is the most important part of the cycle. Get a SERM if you can for PCT
11-04-2007, 12:35 PM
11-04-2007, 12:39 PM
thats a big maybe. some people do ok with that. A SERM is possibly best, but there are also a few other OTC legal options, including Post Cycle Support by anabolic innovations and also Dermacrine Sustain from primordial performance.
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