pre ban??????

[lennoxchi]

URGENT ALERT-
IDS, WEBBER, EVOL (Evolution Labs) end ProHormone Production; Others will follow.

Due to an expose’ article in ESPN Magazine and ESPN’s notification of the FDA, all suppliers of ProHormones have been placed in legal trouble. sources have informed us that they have already ceased production. Some companies have indicated that they will bring out new products similar to the Halodrol liquid gels which are not effective.

When we checked with Europa, one of our suppliers, they indicated that all their products were recalled by the manufacturers. We contacted the companies and they indicated that recalled product would be destroyed and was not available for sale.

We are working day and night trying to find any remaining inventories to maintain stock as long as possible. But, prices will begin increasing as early as next week.

Here is a link to the full article from ESPN Magazine:

ESPN - Assael: China's open supply of performance-enhancing drugs - ESPN

I can't tell you where i got this info (no source posting) but it is from a supplement supplier........so judge the info accordingly......just thought it would be worth posting.

 

[dsade]

This information is correct.

 

[EasyEJL]

I sorta hate seeing it confirmed

 

[SurfDan5]

looks like its time to stock up and start throwing some stuff in the freezer a long with my AX Superdrol...

 

[KingMeso]

Jesus....

 

[lennoxchi]

sorry to be the bearer of crappy info......but at least we all know NOW vs. later....when it might be to late......just trying to be helpful......this is going to impact us all in some form or another....ie support supplement companies, end users, distributors.....on and on

 

[Benderzzz]

So its like the last ban right
where distributors have crazy sales
or did i read the prices were going to go up this time
F*ck ESPN

 

[EasyEJL]

So its like the last ban right
where distributors have crazy sales
or did i read the prices were going to go up this time
F*ck ESPN

hard to say pricewise. no actual ban yet. I think its just the feds will start enforcing the DSHEA... so the products will disappear one by one

 

[dsade]

I was working at BN last ban, and I can tell you that we really did not run crazy sales at all, and we STILL sold out of everything.

 

[lennoxchi]

i might be crazy.....(well OK i am) but don't you think that by banning the legal stuff (that works) thats already out there and replacing it with some of the legal stuff (that doesn't work) that quite possibly the market will shift even more to illegal stuff (gear)......i mean even if one chooses not to "pin" theres still orals available (completely illegal of course and i would never condone this use of either injectable or oral) but it might be easier to get that stuff than it might be to get the other.

 

[dsade]

i might be crazy.....(well OK i am) but don't you think that by banning the legal stuff (that works) thats already out there and replacing it with some of the legal stuff (that doesn't work) that quite possibly the market will shift even more to illegal stuff (gear)......i mean even if one chooses not to "pin" theres still orals available (completely illegal of course and i would never condone this use of either injectable or oral) but it might be easier to get that stuff than it might be to get the other.

Such is the way it always works...criminalize everything, then you either get a passive populace that is afraid to assert their rights because of consequences, or you institutionalize everyone and use that as justification of the expansion of government.

 

[Benderzzz]

really??
I thought they did specifically
i think superdrol went from 50-25 or something like that
i could be wrong though
I wonder how fast this is going to happen because i have no money until the last of the month and wanted to pick some up before this generation of designers are wiped out
especially some of that 1,4 andro powder and H-drol
you guys got enough to last until next week dsade

 

[dsade]

The demand on the 1,4 has not slowed down at all, and I know replenishment is almost impossible at this point.

 

[bigschmidt821]

wait so matt,
all stuff is going to be dissapearing including say...havoc?

 

[PumpingIron]

i might be crazy.....(well OK i am) but don't you think that by banning the legal stuff (that works) thats already out there and replacing it with some of the legal stuff (that doesn't work) that quite possibly the market will shift even more to illegal stuff (gear)......i mean even if one chooses not to "pin" theres still orals available (completely illegal of course and i would never condone this use of either injectable or oral) but it might be easier to get that stuff than it might be to get the other.

that argument is invalid. if a ban on these substances take place, then both the currently legal and illegal products will be grouped together.

 

[dsade]

wait so matt,
all stuff is going to be dissapearing including say...havoc?

Supply is being choked off...period.

 

[EasyEJL]

My opinion is we won't see a new law passed including current compounds as steroids, just enforce existing FDA and customs rules

 

[P4D2A022]

ahh balls

 

[bigschmidt821]

My opinion is we won't see a new law passed including current compounds as steroids, just enforce existing FDA and customs rules

who knows! with the 2008 election coming up this will be something huge for the politicians to take a stand on, they can gurantee they will pass the law and all that crap they may even do it

 

[EasyEJL]

true. i'd suggest buying epistane now if any of you want it. other stuff might hang around a while, but from what dsade said havoc has made its last run. IBE has had stock level issues pretty commonly, and with what scrutiny they are under for their research chem side, its pretty questionable as to restocking. I guess there are a few other clones out there

 

[lennoxchi]

that argument is invalid. if a ban on these substances take place, then both the currently legal and illegal products will be grouped together.

the comparison i was trying to make was between say Havoc (currently legal and works) and say Haldrol liquid gels (also currently legal but IMO doesn't work).......taking all the products like EPI,Havoc, SD clones, SUS500 ETC. and replacing them with a bunch of stuff that doesn't really perform as well.....there for driving people to go to "real" stuff thats all............

 

[EasyEJL]

thats like saying prohibition drove people to shoot heroin, not really accurate. And really i'm not sure most of our compounds are currently legal to sell. They aren't controlled substances, so they aren't illegal to possess. but they dont qualify as supplements under FDA rules either

 

[PumpingIron]

the comparison i was trying to make was between say Havoc (currently legal and works) and say Haldrol liquid gels (also currently legal but IMO doesn't work).......taking all the products like EPI,Havoc, superdrol clones, SUS500 ETC. and replacing them with a bunch of stuff that doesn't really perform as well.....there for driving people to go to "real" stuff thats all............

Yes, but both your first comment and this last one both make the assumption that these are not real...

...they are just as strong, if not stronger then thier currently illegal counterparts. They interact with your body's hormones in the same fashion.

...so driving someone to the "real" stuff is actually taking a step parallel and not forward.

 

[PumpingIron]

Right, and getting that kind of stuff at this time is verryyy difficult.

in my honest oppinion is that post olympics this will die down.

 

[sfearl1]

this sucks. stock up boys

 

[AE14]

well I am glad I got my last order already. this is ridiculous

 

[Hank Vangut]

in my honest oppinion is that post olympics this will die down.

in my honest opinion....this crackdown will not deter any olympians from using.

 

[EasyEJL]

in my honest opinion....this crackdown will not stop any olympians from using.

no, and it wont stop professional athletes either. heck most of them are doing test + igf directly anyhow

 

[PumpingIron]

ofcourse not. you can still get everything you'd possible want.

 

[KingMeso]

I need more money, god damn it!

 

[PumpingIron]

You know, this sh*tty thing about all this is?

The last few times this happened it didn't effect the already underground market, but this time it's the underground market that effected the legitimate market.

In other words, you get fvcked across the board.

 

[sfearl1]

damn all we want to do is lift weights, eat healthy, and use the occasional supplementation to aid us in our efforts in building a better person. wtf is wrong with that! i'm gettin in the car and driving to espn studios... no telling whats going to go down when i get there, i might just keep driving, straight threw the front window!

 

[lennoxchi]

...so driving someone to the "real" stuff is actually taking a step parallel and not forward.

valid point..........you are correct:box: ......told ya i was crazy:fool2:

 

[EasyEJL]

damn all we want to do is lift weights, eat healthy, and use the occasional supplementation to aid us in our efforts in building a better person. wtf is wrong with that! i'm gettin in the car and driving to espn studios... no telling whats going to go down when i get there, i might just keep driving, straight threw the front window!

:nono: no talking like that now! Its not their fault. Its just the government finally catching up. Blame barry bonds + chris benoit

 

[PumpingIron]

Do not blame Bonds...

Blame the numerous athletes that use things that are banned by thier respective organizations and get caught...

 

[daniel35]

I was working at BN last ban, and I can tell you that we really did not run crazy sales at all, and we STILL sold out of everything.

Since you were at BN at the time, tell me this, I keep waiting for them to drop the price on the VPX line(m1t, gangstatest, etc), and they never did, and as far as I could tell no other supplement stores did, so where did it all go? There stuff was way overpriced, but it was legit.

 

[sfearl1]

:nono: no talking like that now! Its not their fault. Its just the government finally catching up. Blame barry bonds + chris benoit

yeah i guess you're right. still seems like they ran and told the teacher on us though.

 

[EasyEJL]

yeah, you would think the feds would have tried staying on top of it better after the 05 ban

 

[onelife]

i think the cycle is going to continue like this... they will care and "save the children from steroids" and then back down.. and then again and again.. just dont see them staying focused on this issue for a long period of time.. but until they back off : :saw:

 

[matthew76]

WoW! I feel like I stepped in to a big ol' stinky pile of Deju Vu!

 

[Benderzzz]

I am so glad we have a government with ADD
everyother year it is the same sh*t
you are right on that onelife

 

[dsade]

Since you were at BN at the time, tell me this, I keep waiting for them to drop the price on the VPX line(m1t, gangstatest, etc), and they never did, and as far as I could tell no other supplement stores did, so where did it all go? There stuff was way overpriced, but it was legit.

It sold out...everything sold out.

 

[P4D2A022]

they "crack down" on something, and then move onto the next thing. no worries

 

[P4D2A022]

round and round we go

 

[matthew76]

So we should expect places like NP - SUPREME to not only sell off their remanding stock, but also the possibility of never having those "things" again?

It sold out...everything sold out.

 

[milwood]

WoW! I feel like I stepped in to a big ol' stinky pile of Deju Vu!

Exactly!!!

This is Groundhog Day! Actually, round 3 for many of us!

 

[dsade]

So we should expect places like NP - SUPREME to not only sell off their remanding stock, but also the possibility of never having those "things" again?

This is a distinct possibility. The way this is being handled is threatening the manufacturers with hardcore jailtime in China if they are caught shipping hormones to the US.

Nobody wants anything to do with supplying.

 

[SurfDan5]

**** ESPN
**** the FDA
:FUfinger: :FUfinger: :FUfinger:

 

[rpen22]

This is a distinct possibility. The way this is being handled is threatening the manufacturers with hardcore jailtime in China if they are caught shipping hormones to the US.

Nobody wants anything to do with supplying.

Is Patrick Arnold the only one that really has the capability(equipment) to manufacture in-house?

 

[matthew76]

NO

Is Patrick Arnold the only one that really has the capability(equipment) to manufacture in-house?