Halodrol/H-Drol is Suppressive... My Scanned Blood Work Inside
- 07-27-2007, 12:27 AM
Halodrol/H-Drol is Suppressive... My Scanned Blood Work Inside
I keep hearing people on the net say that H-Drol is not all that suppressive. Well, 2 weeks in on CEL's product (50 mg ED), I'm up about 5-6 pounds, noticeably harder, fuller, with noticeable strength gains. But I've been feeling like a$$ lately. Don't have the "destroy the world" mental focus that I had while on Rebound Reloaded / Activate (see blood work from last year below). Only thing that gets me motivated right now is my MMA class.
I figured.... low Testosterone without much compensatory androgenic activity from H-Drol (Oral Turinabol has like ZERO androgenic activity). And sure enough, I'm running low on the man fuel. Interestingly, no shrinkage and not much drop in libido [yet].
Liver enzymes up a little... I'm on AI cycle support but I'm backing down to 25 mg ED of H-Drol and stacking my remaining Rebound Reloaded + Activate to see if I can get some Test back (might as well use it all). The NHA stack is easy on the liver (see blood work from last year below). I'm feeling A LOT better already in one day. This makes me believe that the 6-bromo in Reloaded is, in part, a PRO-HORMONE, that produces an ANDROGENIC metabolite. I don't think HPTA stimulation via AI happens that quickly to [presumably] get my Testosterone back up. Maybe it does, I dunno. Another idea is to run Activate Extreme and pulse H-Drol or other oral to reduce liver stress and limit shutdown.
Bottom line is....
1. Don't let internet scientists tell you that Halodrol/H-drol is mild and not very suppressive. You need a good post cycle therapy (mine is Torem inverse to 6-oxo Extreme).
2. When doing cycles, you NEED Testosterone as a base. Otherwise, you feel like a$$. I go with OTC Testosterone-based stuff only because I make too much money to risk breaking the law. Since Rebound Reloaded is discontinued, possibly Activate Extreme may be a good choice to stack with orals (just speculating since no one has blood work on this yet) to keep Testosterone levels up and feeling good. Otherwise, maybe go with Pheraplex or another Testosterone-based derivative as a standalone. In retrospect, it now makes sense that the original Gaspari Halodrol-50 had DMT/Madol in it, to help keep you feeling good. They probably knew the pure compound will make you feel like crap, which I just found out first hand.
Stay tuned for more blood work in about a month. You guys are lucky to have a forum member who's got the paper [and smarts] to run blood work regularly to objectively evaluate OTC items!
Attachment 1: Chem panel on NHA stack summer 2006.
Attachment 2: Testosterone levels on NHA stack summer 2006.
Attachment 3: Current liver Enzyme / Testosterone levels 2 weeks in on H-drol
Attachment 4: Current chem panel on H-Drol + NHA stack
Attachment 5: Testosterone and LH levels after 4 weeks PCT (Toremifene inverse to 6-OXO Extreme)
- 07-27-2007, 12:36 AM
Interesting (we all knew that Halodrol was suppressive though right?). Interesting about the 6-bromo on cycle though...
- 07-27-2007, 08:19 AM
07-27-2007, 08:24 AM
Ofcourse a hormone mimicking compound is going to be supressive...anyone who didn't think that is an idiot.
But it's always good to see the bloodwork...
07-27-2007, 08:26 AM
I was interested to see that it doesn't seem to have that bad of an effect on your lipids. You don't have pre cycle bloodwork to compare, do you? Any time recently that you were clean?
07-27-2007, 11:24 AM
I can get some more detailed lipid work this weekend for HDL/LDL, triglycerides, etc. That's covered through insurance. As long as they're normal I'll assume there wasn't much change from pre-cycle levels even if I didn't take the time to get them measured.
07-27-2007, 11:29 AM
I always just assumed it was harsher on the lipids...no need for more detail, i wouldn't truly understand it.
07-27-2007, 03:58 PM
I wouldnt understand either, but I would like to see hdl, ldl, total chol for tdoay, I might have missed it in the pics, but the first page, I guess from long ago has those results, it would be of interest to see where those levels are today.
Edit:saw that old cholesterol total was 160, now 189, not terrible, but still would like hdl,ldl.
Last edited by RoadBlocK; 07-27-2007 at 04:00 PM. Reason: correction
07-27-2007, 04:42 PM
interesting, i experienced no suppression at all on Hemadrol
i think in most cases it is not very suppressive
07-27-2007, 05:22 PM
I'd like to help you out before this prohormone interferes with your blood levels any further. Feel free to send me the rest of your H-drol.
07-27-2007, 05:46 PM
H-drol was not very suppressive for me, but I took it in the morning at 6 am, any thing taken late in the day will be more suppressive. Hdrol relatively speaking is LESS suppressive.
07-27-2007, 05:46 PM
07-27-2007, 06:06 PM
07-27-2007, 06:30 PM
07-27-2007, 06:42 PM
07-27-2007, 06:46 PM
If everyone paniced at altered blood levels, no one would make it past week 2 in a cycle.
Posting your blood levels is appreciated. It does prove that ph's can be detrimental to your health. Thanks.
07-27-2007, 06:53 PM
Yeah, as already stated it is suppressive. But something that is very suppressive for one person may not hold true over every individual. But posting bloodwork is helpful....very helpful.
Wish more people would do it.
07-27-2007, 07:01 PM
between cycles,pct and natty test boosters it seems like i am on some kind of test altering supplement 9 months out of the year. i think for blood test to be valid i would have to be clean for at least 3 months after pct. of course that would mean that i would have to be clean for 3 months pre cycle.
07-27-2007, 07:06 PM
07-27-2007, 07:10 PM
07-27-2007, 07:18 PM
07-27-2007, 07:26 PM
07-27-2007, 07:45 PM
Oral steroids will jack up your lipids, there's little you can do about it. TD & injectables will also have a negative impact but to a lesser degree. Some lucky people won't have any problems but most will. My results weren't even that bad. I heard of some people's HDL going to 10 and their TC/HDL ratio near 20.
The supplements like RYR are useless on cycle unless you have the worst diet and poor cholesterol levels to begin with (in which case you shouldn't take aas). They give peace of mind, that's about it. If you take steroids, you accept the cardio risk.
The good news is that your values return to normal pretty quickly (1 month).
07-27-2007, 07:55 PM
07-27-2007, 08:25 PM
07-27-2007, 08:39 PM
Yes it should be temporary, if the chemical imbalances were permanent you'd be fukked after a few oral cycles.
07-27-2007, 08:57 PM
My main point wasn't about what's easier on blood values, but but rather about maintaining endgenous Testosterone levels via RR/Act or use another androgenic compound to prevent the crappy feeling I went through while on H-drol solo. Of course, everyone responds differently. Halo is a great compound for me thus far... just not as a solo. Just giving a heads up to others thinking of Halo clones.
07-27-2007, 11:54 PM
07-28-2007, 12:07 AM
So many factors contribute to libido, its almost impossible to predict how many these compounds will effect it.
Your response to 6-bromo in terms of libido is interesting, as I agree that this provides some evidence that it may in fact have some androgenic activity (not necessarily a bad thing). I would be curious to see how this compound does when stacked with some of the other popular orals out there. I think that adding 6-bromo + DHEA , formestane + DHEA, or Jungle Warfare's ADED (6-DMT) + DHEA would provide a decent 4AD alternative to reduce some of the nasty libido sides attributed to these newer designer orals. These all have anti-aromatase activity which should in theory increase test conversion from the supplemented DHEA. I'd be curious to see others try this approach.
07-28-2007, 12:14 AM
So yeah, I agree with pumping...I'd like to see how you determined that you weren't that shut down.
07-28-2007, 06:35 AM
07-28-2007, 12:26 PM
07-28-2007, 12:49 PM
I'd keep running the halodrol at 50mgs as the cycle appears its going well. No way around supression with steroids or prohormones. Supression and sh!tty lipid profiles is all part of it. You'll bounce back quickly after the cycle. I'm surprised liver values where off already at the 2 week mark.
07-30-2007, 10:46 PM
A little concerned about increasing liver enzyme levels, but I'm aymptomatic (no abdominal pains, no jaundice, no lethargy, etc) and I only have one week of halo left while I transition to NHA stack only. I just started on NOW Liver Detox tabs to see if it helps. Just for reference, people with hepatitis have values in the hundreds and sometimes 1000+.
Feeling great otherwise. The NHA stack is really helping me keep my mood and energy up while I continue to gain from halo.
07-31-2007, 03:44 AM
Nice to see some bloodwork from Halo.
I am about to go into week 5 on Halodrol + H-Drol and wonder how suppressive this cycle really is. So far mood is great, libido is really up, not really any noticeable shrinkage and feel like a monster in the gym lol. I just go from one exercise to the other without really any rest, feel like damn Conan the Destroyer
Start weight 182.5 lbs.
Current weight 193 lbs.
Week 1 50mg Halodrol-50
Week 2 50mg Halodrol-50
Week 3 50mg Halodrol-50 + 25mg H-Drol
Week 4 50mg Halodrol-50 + 25mg H-Drol
Week 5 50mg Halodrol-50 + 25mg H-Drol
I have bloodwork from last year and at that time I had no experience with any PH's or any supplements besides protein and CEE. I did the NHA stack before this cycle and RR really lowered my Libido A LOT which surprised me since some people say the opposite? I asked my Doctor if I could get some blood work to see how my test levels were and she said if I am having normal erections then I dont need the blood work. How do you go about getting blood work for test levels? I want to get blood work this week.
07-31-2007, 06:23 AM
07-31-2007, 12:53 PM
To get lipids on insurance, you can make up something about how you have a family history of high cholesterol and you want to start getting annual or semi-annual blood work. No respectable doctor will deny you based on that.
You don't wanna tell your doctor you're on steroids... once it goes into your medical records you never know if an insurance company is gonna get their hands on it.
07-31-2007, 07:45 PM
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