Need help first gear cycle

[mauibuilt]

Need help between the two, where both would meet my goals.

Will be first cycle, have not bought gear yet.

Here goes....

Test base/Fina pellets ---> trans cycle

Test base for wks 1-8 (300mg daily)

Fina wks 1-6 (200mg daily)

or....

Test enan/Dbol

Test enan wks 1-10 (500mg wk)

Dbol wks 1-4 (35mg ED)

 

[wardog]

Both will work well for you. Because of the lower absorption, the transdermal cycle (as well as the cost of fina) will increase your cost. I would increase the applied fina to at least 250mg/day but thats just my opinion.

Advanatges of the transdermal cycle is that once you stop, it is out of your system in a day or 2 if any real bad sides pop up. OTOH, the enth is stuck in your system for 2 weeks if any sides rear up.

 

[Chemo]

agreed...but then that makes good case for saying topicals are a gateway delivery method to actual pinning.



Chemo

 

[scotty2]

What is the story with the dermal gear ****? All you guys with nothing holding you back, quit fucking around with this nonsense, and just pin. WTF!:shoot:

 

[Artu]

The second one, come on!

 

[sage]

MB, the test/dianbol stack. im rouding out this very same cycle at similar dosage and with a strong diet and training, you will be very happy with the result you'll end up with. go for the latter.
Sage

 

[Sir Foxx]

I would bump up the D-Bol to 50mg(ED) but thats just me.

 

[size]

Test and dbol. 35mg should be fine for dbol if you are under 200lbs.

 

[sage]

I would bump up the D-Bol to 50mg(ED) but thats just me.

for a first timer, 35mg/day is solid. 50 + is being real hard on the liver and he'll bloat away like nemo man (he that big fish from the animated cartoon right? )
Sage

 

[Sir Foxx]

I understand the bloat, but I thought the consensus was that D-Bol wasn't all that hard on the liver, as long you do the right things, such as no drinking, take milk thistle, stuff like that.

 

[size]

Orals are hard on the liver but it can be controlled thru proper means. The amount of dbol needed to be taken really depends on how much the individual weighs. Bloating is easily controlled so i really do not take that into account.

 

[Sir Foxx]

Are you also of the opinion to just run the D-Bol at a certain level thru out the cycle or do you like to taper down? I know not to taper up but old ideas die hard and still think that if I ever do D-bol again I still might taper down at the end, unless of course I see convincing evidence otherwise.

 

[sage]

Are you also of the opinion to just run the D-Bol at a certain level thru out the cycle or do you like to taper down? I know not to taper up but old ideas die hard and still think that if I ever do D-bol again I still might taper down at the end, unless of course I see convincing evidence otherwise.

the consensus is to keep the dosage even, throught the 4-5 weeks one uses dbol. spread throughout the day preferably.
Sage

 

[Sir Foxx]

Thanks Sage,

Can you give me the exact reason why not to taper down? I just want to wrap my head around the idea.

 

[mauibuilt]

Guys looks like i'm leaning to the test/dbol cycle. Thanks for all your help. Pinning it is...

 

[sage]

the basis for not tapering or pyramiding dianbol's dosage is similar to why one should take it evenly spread throughtout the day. its has a very short half-life and keeping your blood level as steady as possible, allows for the body to take advantage of the oral compound. besides, there hasnt been any scientific backings behind tapering dbol. so why not go with dosage method that has been proven by users since its beginning, back to the days of the 1950's/60's.
Sage

 

[size]

I do not taper dbol at all but i do not use it very often and i never go over 40mg, mainly b/c it still does the job at 40mg.

 

[Godlike]

so much to learn...

 

[ManBeast]

Dbol is great stuff to kickstart with because it gives a real quick strength kick in, without HAVING to bloat you (hint hint: anti-e). The cycle is solid. What you might want to do, is make that TNE transdermal, and use it (tapering down) for weeks 11-12, and then start your post cycle immediately. You can also throw the fina in weeks 3-8 at 100mg/EOD (pinned!!!) for some amazing results (very much like the cycle i just finished up ).

ManBeast

 

[Kitchen Chemist]

Yeah, i like the idea of transdermal the last weeks of cycle to start immediate post cycle. I will probably incorporate it at the beginning and end of all future cycles. Test Base/Bold Base first 4 weeks while shooting test/eq for the first ten weeks, then test base/bold base the last two weeks while the eq/enanthate is still in your system, post cycle first day of week 13.

What did you decide built ass hawaian? Or when are you gonna start?

 

[mauibuilt]

i decided to run test enan/dbol/deca

i am going to homebrew the test enan and deca to keep costs down.
Deca (wks 1-10) @ 400mg/wk
Test enan (wks 1-10) @ 500mg/wk
Dbol (wks 1-4) @ 30mg/wk

Decided on a bread and butter cycle. I am not planning on starting yet, still going to do another 1test/4ad cycle to bring me closer to my genetic limit and start the gear in Jan '04.

Just making sure I do everything correct first time. I am also thinking of taking femura to keep the bloat down, have nolva on hand for gyno and clomid post cycle. Cosidered proscar and hcg. Still deciding on those.


what you all think?

 

[Neuromancer]

IMO, if you want to do it right...get the HCG. You will be glad you did.

 

[M1000]

I am a fucking dumbass

I am so fucking stupid I can't even read the board rules.. now I am not going be able to be here... and if I happen to come back and do something this stupid, I will be IP banned

 

[willieman]

Anyone know a good website or anything on were to get good roids?
I ordered from a website like 3 months ago and now the website is gone?
ii NEED TO GO ON CYCLE IN SEPTEMBER,

what are Roids?Like Hemoroids?...you can order those?

 

[bionicBC]

i decided to run test enan/dbol/deca

i am going to homebrew the test enan and deca to keep costs down.
Deca (wks 1-10) @ 400mg/wk
Test enan (wks 1-10) @ 500mg/wk
Dbol (wks 1-4) @ 30mg/wk

Decided on a bread and butter cycle. I am not planning on starting yet, still going to do another 1test/4ad cycle to bring me closer to my genetic limit and start the gear in Jan '04.

Just making sure I do everything correct first time. I am also thinking of taking femura to keep the bloat down, have nolva on hand for gyno and clomid post cycle. Cosidered proscar and hcg. Still deciding on those.


what you all think?

Run the test enan without the deca to week 12, instead of stopping it at the same time.
BC

 

[Renton405]

I agree with scotty, pinning would be the way to go....

 

[John6]

That's great.

Did you notice this thread is a year and a half old?

 

[Renton405]

Welll gee, hit me with a stick, lol

 

[Cuffs]

Welll gee, hit me with a stick, lol

How about I hit you with a trout instead. :trout:

 

[sarge]

I understand the bloat, but I thought the consensus was that D-Bol wasn't all that hard on the liver, as long you do the right things, such as no drinking, take milk thistle, stuff like that.

all 17aa`s are hard on the liver,it is the dosage that makes the difference.50 mg of dbol is no harder on the liver than 50 mg of anadrol or anavar or any other 17aa.50 mg is 50mg.

 

[Sir Foxx]

You're not taking into account the structure of the parent compound. There is more to toxicity than just the 17aa attachment.

 

[KCPreki11]

What is the story with the dermal gear ****? All you guys with nothing holding you back, quit fucking around with this nonsense, and just pin. WTF!:shoot:

Thought guys were using dermal fina because they didn't want to pin ED.

 

[kwantam]

Thought guys were using dermal fina because they didn't want to pin ED.

One can certainly get away with pinning tren ace EOD...

Actually, I wonder who does it ED vs EOD. Maybe it would make a good poll question.

-kwantam

 

[Brooklyn]

That's great.

Did you notice this thread is a year and a half old?

Well? How did the frickin' cycle go? Come on people, talk about a long wait for a results log...

 

[Ryker]

I would do 500 a week Test E or LE for 10 weeks and standard PCT and thats it.