New stack

[Bigbadstad]

So I was at work and a guy who I work with told me he wanted to get a big as me and wanted to know what I have taken in order to get to my size. Made me giggle with excitement. Well, I let him know but I told him to go and do some research about what he thought he should take and get back to me.

After about 2 months, he got back to me and let me know he was interested in doing a stack of deca and winny. This is his first cycle of anything. I told him to he should prob due a cycle of just test for his first, but he was really wanting to do this stack. The problem is, I have never used winny so I don't what dosage for him to take.

He came up with these numbers:
250mg/ml deca every 5 days
35 mg winny every 2 days

Let me know what yall think. I would hate for him to do something that he would regret. I work with the guy so he is always bugging me about info. I just want to make sure he gets all of the correct info.

Side note: He said he will be taking nolva post cycle. So I was happy to hear that

[Strategic]

So I was at work and a guy who I work with told me he wanted to get a big as me and wanted to know what I have taken in order to get to my size. Made me giggle with excitement. Well, I let him know but I told him to go and do some research about what he thought he should take and get back to me.

After about 2 months, he got back to me and let me know he was interested in doing a stack of deca and winny. This is his first cycle of anything. I told him to he should prob due a cycle of just test for his first, but he was really wanting to do this stack. The problem is, I have never used winny so I don't what dosage for him to take.

He came up with these numbers:
250mg/ml deca every 5 days
35 mg winny every 2 days

Let me know what yall think. I would hate for him to do something that he would regret. I work with the guy so he is always bugging me about info. I just want to make sure he gets all of the correct info.

Side note: He said he will be taking nolva post cycle. So I was happy to hear that

That would not be a good cycle at all. Deca without test = zero libido and that dose is way to low. Deca is my favorite compound but I'd never run it without some test. Your advice about starting with just test is good advice but if hes got his heart set on deca tell him to at least add test so his cycle is worthwhile.

Also, tell him to drop the winny.

[Tom 185]

a nice dosage of test...500-750mg per week range if its the first cycle...2 injections a week...

[Bigbadstad]

a nice dosage of test...500-750mg per week range if its the first cycle...2 injections a week...

thats basically what i was thinking. he wanted to the winny because he wanted to help cut up. also, i would love for him to up the dose of deca, but his response was something to the effect of "if i have to pay $$$ for one bottle, i dont wanna have to pay for 2 bottles"

my response was roughly, "the @$%! aint cheap, if you want cheap, go natural"

[Bigbadstad]

a nice dosage of test...500-750mg per week range if its the first cycle...2 injections a week...

thats basically what i was thinking. he wanted to the winny because he wanted to help cut up. also, i would love for him to up the dose of deca, but his response was something to the effect of "if i have to pay $$$ for one bottle, i dont wanna have to pay for 2 bottles"

my response was roughly, "the @$%! aint cheap, if you want cheap, go natural"

any other advice i can help give him? i am also gonna point him to this post so maybe he will change his mind.

[jomi822]

winny doesnt get you "cut" it has a muscle hardening effect that will make you look harder if you are ALREADY cut. cutting comes from diet.

why on earth deca for the first cycle? testosterone is what should be used, not deca.

does he know you have to wait 3 weeks after the last shot of deca to start pct?

35mgs of winstrol...why such an odd dose? EOD doses are retarded...the stuff needs to be dosed ED

none of that was directed at you, just at your friend. tell him to run 500mgs of testosterone for 10-12 weeks and hell be MUCH happier. testosterone enanthate or cyptionate. pinned once or twice a week.

[Tom 185]

winny doesnt get you "cut" it has a muscle hardening effect that will make you look harder if you are ALREADY cut. cutting comes from diet.

why on earth deca for the first cycle? testosterone is what should be used, not deca.

does he know you have to wait 3 weeks after the last shot of deca to start post cycle therapy?

35mgs of winstrol...why such an odd dose? EOD doses are retarded...the stuff needs to be dosed ED

none of that was directed at you, just at your friend. tell him to run 500mgs of testosterone for 10-12 weeks and hell be MUCH happier. testosterone enanthate or cyptionate. pinned once or twice a week.

good post.

other advice? use test only and really clean up his diet

[FitModel]

So I was at work and a guy who I work with told me he wanted to get a big as me and wanted to know what I have taken in order to get to my size. Made me giggle with excitement. Well, I let him know but I told him to go and do some research about what he thought he should take and get back to me.

After about 2 months, he got back to me and let me know he was interested in doing a stack of deca and winny. This is his first cycle of anything. I told him to he should prob due a cycle of just test for his first, but he was really wanting to do this stack. The problem is, I have never used winny so I don't what dosage for him to take.

He came up with these numbers:
250mg/ml deca every 5 days
35 mg winny every 2 days

Let me know what yall think. I would hate for him to do something that he would regret. I work with the guy so he is always bugging me about info. I just want to make sure he gets all of the correct info.

Side note: He said he will be taking nolva post cycle. So I was happy to hear that

I've read that a 1st cycle can be done with just Deca...I've also seen friends do this with good results (1st cycle only, after that 2nd, 3rd, etc...test should always be included)

[jvb20]

I've read that a 1st cycle can be done with just Deca...I've also seen friends do this with good results (1st cycle only, after that 2nd, 3rd, etc...test should always be included)

u should always have test in with deca not just a deca only cycle

[FitModel]

u should always have test in with deca not just a deca only cycle

I believe thats debatable, more OLD school practitioners might disagree...also if you've read CME (infamous steroid protocol book) I'm certain he prescribes cycles without test, i'm not saying I agree with this but it is a fact.

[freqfly]

As soon as deca hits the system, naturally test levels go bye bye. Deca without test is like bread with no butter, cereal and no milk, ham and no burger

[haroldjg]

As soon as deca hits the system, naturally test levels go bye bye. Deca without test is like bread with no butter, cereal and no milk, ham and no burger

Ham and no burger??!! haha. I dont get that one.

[freqfly]

Ham and no burger??!! haha. I dont get that one.

Sure you get it. Hamburger. Ham and no burger.

[haroldjg]

Sure you get it. Hamburger. Ham and no burger.

Ohh man, a little bit slow.... I... am...... haha. It makes perfect sense. I am just a moron.lol.

[jvb20]

I believe thats debatable, more OLD school practitioners might disagree...also if you've read CME (infamous steroid protocol book) I'm certain he prescribes cycles without test, i'm not saying I agree with this but it is a fact.

yeah but it is alot harder to keep gains without test added and just deca cycles can cause deca di.ck then your screwed...

[freqfly]

This may have already been answered, but what was the original reason for wanting to do a deca only cycle in the first place?

[jomi822]

reasons deca only cycles are bad-
1. deca is super supressive and testosterone must be run a couple weeks after the last injection to maintain sex drive and ease into post cycle therapy
2. deca is a progestin, this means goodbye sex drive
3. progesterone/prolactin gyno, you dont get this with testosterone
4. longer kick in time than a long estered test
5. deca will bloat you up like a balloon

just off the top of my head

[freqfly]

reasons deca only cycles are bad-
1. deca is super supressive and testosterone must be run a couple weeks after the last injection to maintain sex drive and ease into post cycle therapy
2. deca is a progestin, this means goodbye sex drive
3. progesterone/prolactin gyno, you dont get this with testosterone
4. longer kick in time than a long estered test
5. deca will bloat you up like a balloon

just off the top of my head

Not to mention the detection time afterward. Just a few reasons while I'll personally never do deca.

[meowmeow]

Not to mention the detection time afterward. Just a few reasons while I'll personally never do deca.

I understand what you are saying...but for some...myself included the best bulk cycle of my life was a Test/Deca/Eq cycle. The Test was run at a 2:1 ratio to Deca and continued 5 weeks beyond Deca. The EQ was at the low end of the acceptable dose range and it kept the appetite up I feel added to the cycle overall.

Bloat was handled w/ low dose Adex throughout and to help metabolize all that I ate 25mg of T3 was used throughout.

The gains were substantial, fairly dry yet the "wetness" of Deca helped the joints while EQ increased vasularity. The T3 kept fat gain to a minimum.

HOWEVER THE downside was despite running a lot of test and for longer periods I STILL NEEDED to take Cialis to be able to perform and even that wasn't perfect.

Would I run Deca for mass? YES, but only IF you already understand how your body will react to the various compounds and are prepared to take precautions.

Would I run Deca in the future? NO. my Deca & Tren days are over. I'm big enough and I don't want to struggle with my sex drive.

Should someone run Deca as a first cycle? HELL NO!

Just my 2 cents

[jomi822]

oh dont get me wrong i love deca. testosterone is just SO much simpler in the beginning.

fact of the matter is that it actually HELPS my gyno (pubertal). ive managed to totally knock it out in 3 years with nolva/letro/arimidex, but i still got a little puffy once in awhile. deca has knocked that down for me.

im on 900mgs of deca a week and 500mgs testosterone enanthate. GORGEOUS!!!