if something bigger and better comes out (ATD) why would you stick to the old school methods?
lets be honest here....noone is going to get gyno from havoc, epistane, or any mild oral like that.....and thats what his question was referring to. and yes, it is always a good idea to have a SERM on hand JUST in case something wild and crazy MIGHT happen. if you have ran cycles before, and had no gyno issues though, its probably safe to say you wont have any in the future with such a mild ph.
Epistane is not a PH...
haha this is true....very very true.
okay, whatever you would like to call it. pct with a SERM is still recommended for some reason......i dont get too caught up into all the technical names that the supplement industry tries to call their products. its hormonal, it requires pct, i call it a prohormone. maybe thats not the "technical" term coined by IBE, but essentially thats what it is
The "technical" term is "steroid".
Seriously, it's like that nice long post I made the other week was a waste. :frustrate:
i have put the link to that thread you did in a few of these and nothing. they still ask the same questions. they are waiting for someone to come in and say o ya thats a great idea to do atd only. :rant: :rant: :rant:
while this is going to seem like a shameless ax plug, hyperdrolX2 is a great product in terms of non perscription post cycle therapy. i typically run
Sometimes people don't want to hear what they should do, they want to hear that they're right. Unfortunately, you've gotta be right if you're hoping to hear the latter.
You bring up a very good point, which I tend to shy away from delving into; however, if the steroid is somewhat mild (and taken with low to moderate dosages) and the cycle is very short (max 3 weeks) it is very possible to run without the use of bread'n'butter PCT. These tend not to provide as much gains due to the fact that (1) the steroid being used isn't very strong (2) the cycle is not being run for very long.
gotta be careful with mass fx, it doesnt work nearly as well as some other test boosters. i actually had low test after using it as pct for a superdrol/trenadrol/bold cycle. after test drive - totally back to normal. wont always produce these effects, however, I wont touch the stuff again, nothing worse than running through pct and still running low test.. feels like you wasted a month.Sometimes people don't want to hear what they should do, they want to hear that they're right. Unfortunately, you've gotta be right if you're hoping to hear the latter.
You bring up a very good point, which I tend to shy away from delving into; however, if the steroid is somewhat mild (and taken with low to moderate dosages) and the cycle is very short (max 3 weeks) it is very possible to run without the use of bread'n'butter post cycle therapy. These tend not to provide as much gains due to the fact that (1) the steroid being used isn't very strong (2) the cycle is not being run for very long.
I think a good protocol for such a cycle might look like this:
3 weeks of a mild and moderately dosed designer/ph
6 weeks of hyperdrol X2 / Mass FX or a variation of ALRI's evolution stack
3 weeks clean
and then you can start up another cycle
what are these "mild" ph's that your talking about? and also, what dosages would you recommend for them?You bring up a very good point, which I tend to shy away from delving into; however, if the steroid is somewhat mild (and taken with low to moderate dosages) and the cycle is very short (max 3 weeks) it is very possible to run without the use of bread'n'butter post cycle therapy. These tend not to provide as much gains due to the fact that (1) the steroid being used isn't very strong (2) the cycle is not being run for very long.
I think a good protocol for such a cycle might look like this:
3 weeks of a mild and moderately dosed designer/ph
6 weeks of hyperdrol X2 / Mass FX or a variation of ALRI's evolution stack
3 weeks clean
and then you can start up another cycle
how would you classify PP? i would say its one of the milder ph's that arent the new era such as havoc, epistane, 3ad, etc
I really don't want to start naming names because I don't want someone to see what I've said, and then say to themselves, "well sinner says it's ok" run a heavy 'blitz cycle', and come back 4 weeks later saying how terrible everything has been. The whole theory behind how this works is similar to Dr. D's "Pulse Method", which many people are skeptical about, in that you are not running the compound long enough or strong enough to supress your test levels to the point where a SERM is necessary. Unfortunately, this will also buffer your gains, since you've taken so little that it has barely suppressed you.
What kind of cycles have you run with this type of pct? Did you keep your gains?
You see, this all goes by what we define "problems" as. Without bloodwork (and I unfortunately don't have any test results to post either; hence, I was really weary to even bring this idea up) it's really hard to say that using an AI is cutting the mustard just because you don't have *****-tits and your shooter still shoots.
cycles
which is why after all my nuts cycles, i have full bloodwork done after pct ends. if anything needs to be fixed, just start working on that problem and stay off the phs till it returns to normal.
