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    How's my cycle of havoc sound.


    I will be running 20/30/30/40 for fours weeks. Sizeon,superpump,milk thistle,whey, multi while on cycle.


    I really can't get a SERM and don't know how I would go about getting one.


    So, how does this PCT sound Rebound XT for two weeks 50mg first week, 25mg second week.

    What do you guys think about down ramping the havoc for PCT. I've read some about this and was thinking maybe going 20/10 for two weeks after as well.

    Advice.

    O yeah, i take 1 before 1 after on workout days right? 2 before 1 after, 2 before 2 after.. ect.

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    Depends on bodyweight I think.


    At my bodyweight I would start with 30 mg for the first 2 weeks, then bump to 40... maybe even 50 the last week.
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    Okay you need a serm first of all. Try harder, you'll find one.

    Depending on your dosage at 20mg take one in the morning and one post workout. At 30mg I found the best results with 10mg in the morning, 10mg a couple hours prior to workout, and then 10mg post workout. Take the havoc on an empty stomach (this is probably debatable). Pick up some cycle support too, that stuff is boss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    Depends on bodyweight I think.


    At my bodyweight I would start with 30 mg for the first 2 weeks, then bump to 40... maybe even 50 the last week.
    Agreed, I started at a weight of 200 and did the 20/30/30/40 dosage. I think I could have handled 10 to 20mg more/week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    Okay you need a serm first of all. Try harder, you'll find one.

    Depending on your dosage at 20mg take one in the morning and one post workout. At 30mg I found the best results with 10mg in the morning, 10mg a couple hours prior to workout, and then 10mg post workout. Take the havoc on an empty stomach (this is probably debatable). Pick up some cycle support too, that stuff is boss.
    What were your results? Yes, i'm picking up cycle support. I will not be using a serm =\.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rybino View Post
    What were your results? Yes, i'm picking up cycle support. I will not be using a serm =\.
    I have a log in the supplement review forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rybino View Post
    What were your results? Yes, i'm picking up cycle support. I will not be using a serm =\.
    You better be using a SERM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rybino View Post
    I will be running 20/30/30/40 for fours weeks. Sizeon,superpump,milk thistle,whey, multi while on cycle.


    I really can't get a SERM and don't know how I would go about getting one.


    So, how does this post cycle therapy sound Rebound XT for two weeks 50mg first week, 25mg second week.

    What do you guys think about down ramping the havoc for PCT. I've read some about this and was thinking maybe going 20/10 for two weeks after as well.

    Advice.

    O yeah, i take 1 before 1 after on workout days right? 2 before 1 after, 2 before 2 after.. ect.

    Don't ramp the Havoc down. Your pct should be as long as your cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    You better be using a SERM.
    I'm going to. Do you drink liquid NOLVA or inject it? I'm confused? Is that enough for 4 weeks PCT?

    MOD EDIT: NO SOURCE POSTING.
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    Dude, edit your post and take out that link. Read the rules. no source posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rybino View Post
    I'm going to. Do you drink liquid NOLVA or inject it? I'm confused? Is that enough for 4 weeks post cycle therapy?

    MOD EDIT: NO SOURCE POSTING.
    drink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    drink.
    How bad does it taste? Like make you wanna puke?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rybino View Post
    How bad does it taste? Like make you wanna puke?
    Tastes better than a shot of tequila but worse than jack daniels. Either way dont worry about it, cause it will do more good than harm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rybino View Post
    How bad does it taste? Like make you wanna puke?
    Dude you're definitely not ready for this cycle. You need to research a lot more.

    What are your stats/cycle history?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rybino View Post
    How bad does it taste? Like make you wanna puke?

    Perhaps you may want to spend a little more time thinking about what it is you're about to do? You're contemplating taking a steroid cycle. Epistane appears to be relatively mild on the lipids and liver but this is a serious decision. If you're going to do this (and there is still time to change your mind), then you should do it right and not be concerned with momentary discomforts. Use the search function and you'll find plenty of people talking about their experiences that you can draw lessons from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rybino View Post
    I will be running 20/30/30/40 for fours weeks. Sizeon,superpump,milk thistle,whey, multi while on cycle.


    I really can't get a SERM and don't know how I would go about getting one.


    So, how does this post cycle therapy sound Rebound XT for two weeks 50mg first week, 25mg second week.

    What do you guys think about down ramping the havoc for PCT. I've read some about this and was thinking maybe going 20/10 for two weeks after as well.

    Advice.

    O yeah, i take 1 before 1 after on workout days right? 2 before 1 after, 2 before 2 after.. ect.
    ramping the dose down wont do a thing, dont bother. thats an old school tactic....and its only practical purpose nowdays is in extremely long long estered cycles. its useless with orals.

    second of all, dont run a cycle without a serm, ever. personally ive just read too many rebound XT/atd only pct goes wayyy wrong. i am never using ATD again period (atd is the substance in rebound xt). something is going to come out about ATD one of these days, mark my words.

    youre going to run havoc AFTER pct? un be ****ing lievable
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    Quote Originally Posted by jomi822 View Post
    ramping the dose down wont do a thing, dont bother. thats an old school tactic....and its only practical purpose nowdays is in extremely long long estered cycles. its useless with orals.

    second of all, dont run a cycle without a serm, ever. personally ive just read too many rebound XT/atd only post cycle therapy goes wayyy wrong. i am never using ATD again period (atd is the substance in rebound xt). something is going to come out about ATD one of these days, mark my words.

    youre going to run havoc AFTER post cycle therapy? un be ****ing lievable
    I just ordered my liquid nolva. No i'm not running it after pct? Is there a way i could take rebound xt along with the nolva? Or should just the nolva be fine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rybino View Post
    I just ordered my liquid nolva. No i'm not running it after post cycle therapy? Is there a way i could take rebound xt along with the nolva? Or should just the nolva be fine?
    take the tamoxifen, its all you need.

    nolva+rebound will probably just mess up your sex drive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rybino View Post
    I will be running 20/30/30/40 for fours weeks. Sizeon,superpump,milk thistle,whey, multi while on cycle.


    I really can't get a SERM and don't know how I would go about getting one.


    First, it seems this would be ur first cycle

    So...

    10mg for 3 days, 20mg for the rest of Week #1
    Week 2: 20mg
    Week 3: 30mg
    Week 4: 30mg

    milk thistle,whey, multi while on cycle.

    dont use the sizeone or superpumo whule on cycle, use it for PCT.

    get a SERM

    /done
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    i agree. if you have leftovers toward the end of week 4 then you could possibly go up to 40mg. Start slow, its your first time.

    Remember, its not a magic pill so keep your diet in check and work hard with the iron! Get everything in order before you start.
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    you don't need a serm unless you have estrogen issues. There are other ways to get rid of estrogen and get your testosterone production back up again. A serm isn't necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grantr View Post
    you don't need a serm unless you have estrogen issues. There are other ways to get rid of estrogen and get your testosterone production back up again. A serm isn't necessary.
    AI's just dont do the trick. i know countless people that have gone with your approach and not recovered properly. its just not true.

    serms directly stimulate the hypothalamus, Ai's do not. I wouldnt go spreading that view around here, anyone who runs serious cycles knows its bull****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jomi822 View Post
    AI's just dont do the trick. i know countless people that have gone with your approach and not recovered properly. its just not true.

    serms directly stimulate the hypothalamus, Ai's do not. I wouldnt go spreading that view around here, anyone who runs serious cycles knows its bull****.
    yes SERMS are a MUST! sinner put up a good thread explaning it all.
  

  
 

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