M1T lethargy - any second gen ph's would help it?
- 04-28-2007, 04:19 AM
M1T lethargy - any second gen ph's would help it?
alright so i've decided to get back on some M1T. It's the one ph that did the most for me. I know that a lot of people hate it, and i can't say that i love it either, but it sure as heck works. So third day on it at 10mg and i already feel like ****. Anything still on the market that i could stack it with to get rid of some of that lethargy? There's no way i can still get the good old 4AD, so anything else?
- 04-28-2007, 12:03 PM
- 04-28-2007, 12:40 PM
I agree. Albuterol could help. So could one of the preworkout energy products such as Amp. Trouble is these can raise blood pressure. So does M1T. Have some extra celery seed extract along with Cycle Support which has celery seed in it. I've gotten decent gains from M1T using 5mg's for 2 on and 2 off. Strong stuff. Good luck.
04-28-2007, 12:51 PM
This was a very bad idea without testosterone support. I sure hope you plan on SERM to get some estrogen support during post cycle therapy. I don't even think Toremifene can do anything about the 12 days of after stopping suppression of M1T. You really need to take something for those 12 days after like testosterone, 4-AD, or HCG. M-TST will help, but adds more load on your liver.
Taking M1T without Testosterone/estrogen support is extremely foolish and will most likely will end up with you getting sick. It is not lethargy, but health issues. Sorry.
04-28-2007, 05:44 PM
you might just be right cause at this point I already feel horible, so much so that i'm going to come off. I'm actually going to switch to SD. Not the best way to start an SD cycle but i can no longer run this damn M1T. Now i remmember why i stopped my cycle 2 years ago. The results on it are amazing, but all these damn sides are not worth it. So since i'm already f*kd up, SD here I come!!
As far as PCT i plan on runing 6-oxo, is that enough?? Just playin y'all, i'm going to run Dr.D's PCT except that i'll run toremifene instead of tomoxifen.
04-28-2007, 06:20 PM
04-28-2007, 07:52 PM
04-28-2007, 09:10 PM
Switching to Superdrol will not bring any testosterone or estrogen support. Would need the DHEA too. May still have no libido for 12 days.
Stopping right now leaves you with no testosterone support for 12 days, though toremifene will provide some estrogen support. Probably want have some DHEA for at least 12 (15+)days.
Halodrol-50 is possibility if you can get it. Maybe Epistane, but not sure how it will work when you are already fully suppressed. M-TST? Promagnon-25 will get the libido back, but probably not much gains. M-ohn?
What you really need is some form of testosterone.
Need to add up to 12 days onto post cycle therapy for M1T because of the after suppression effect of M1T.
04-28-2007, 11:14 PM
Well... the hell with this cycle. I just got on toremifene and DHEA. I'm going to run PCT for about 14 days, then take some time off and then get on some enanthate. The hell with all this oral sh*t. Today i actually felt like i'm dyin.
04-28-2007, 11:15 PM
toremifene - does 120mg/first 3 days, 90mg/next 3 days and then 60mg for the rest of the 14 days sound ok?
04-28-2007, 11:39 PM
dam m1t never made me feel that bad....day 3...wow! I was a big ephedra user tho,so maybee that had something to do with it...but i did do it with massive doses of 4-ad too...whatever plain and simple stay away from m1t without some kind of test........cheers
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04-28-2007, 11:50 PM
Normally recovery from oral starts within a day or 2. Supersoldier did a bunch of tests when M1T first came out that showed this.
14 days PCT for M1T is BS. That is really only 2 days of post cycle therapy!
M1T must break down to some other suppressive substance to have that kind of long lasting suppressive action after stopping. We don't know why it happens, we just know it happens.
I don't know what Toremifene will do, but Nolva didn't have any effect at all for 12 days. Toremifene probably will not either. This is the main reason that a lot of people lost their gains.
I recommend that you get on something else for 12 days and then go into post cycle therapy.
The only way it makes any sense to run M1T is as booster in in long testosterone cycle. Since at even 5 mgs it causes 99% suppression in 3 days, it shouldn't be use for the first few weeks of a testosterone cycle until suppression has set in from the testosterone and it shouldn't be used for the last two weeks either so it clears out before PCT. Sorry, I venting.
04-29-2007, 07:18 PM
04-29-2007, 09:25 PM
For days 15 through 17 of PCT, 200 mgs. Then drop to 100 mgs for days 18 through 20.
Remember this only applies to M1T and would be totally different for anything other than M1T!
04-30-2007, 04:58 PM
Well on Saturday after my last post I took 120mg toremifene . About 4 hrs later i starting feeling better, and not only me but even my little guy. By the second day on M1T i couldn't care less about my girl, however since Saturday i've been almost back to normal. So if my test and estrogen levels are so low, how is it that i wake up with morning wood and that i'm able to put it to good use too? i think this toremifene it's some good sh*t.
04-30-2007, 07:33 PM
04-30-2007, 09:21 PM
Werewolf, what would be your ideal PCT for M1T. I've taken 20mg/day M1T w/600mg 4-AD (oral) on cycle(s) and continued the 4-AD (same dose) through PCT with of course a SERM. I've always had great luck and never had a problem with M1T. It is my absolute favorite, and I've always kept my gains. Let me know what you think might be a better PCT, if you can think of one.
04-30-2007, 10:29 PM
05-01-2007, 12:50 AM
I real curious to see how toremifene works. Nolva didn't do anything for about 12 days against M1T. To me it seems like Toremifene has an HCG effect the way it works so fast. It wasn't around when I was doing M1T.
05-16-2007, 08:31 PM
05-17-2007, 12:15 AM
well i've got a confession to make.. what i did was run 4 weeks of superdrol/PP prior to M1T.. I went up 8lbs but my weight wasn't really going up anymore. Anyways i don't know, i knew better, but i said f it i'll run the last 2 weeks M1T. And when i switched to M1T, wel you all saw what happened. I was really frustrated and i figured i'll go back to SD. But you guys kinda got me back on the right track. I know these are hard on your body, but i don't know, i really ignored it at that time. I've lost weight due to flu and food poisoning and i was really looking forward on puting back as much weight as i could with this cycle. And for a little while i actually chose to ignore everything i know about steroids.
anywys my post cycle therapy . I ran toremifene 2 days at 120mg DHEA 200mg... then 2 more days at 90mg Toremifene DHEA 150mg..then 2 days more at 60mg Toremifene DHEA 100mg... 2days at 30mg DHEA 50mg and that's the end of the story. I'm fully back... i haven't lost 1 lb..., never had anymore problems with my di*k... i don't know i usually bounce back really fast from PH's. I've never experienced my nuts shrinking to the size of peas. I'm sure it's better to run a longer PCT, but i hate running PCT so i do it just as much as i really have to. Just enough to keep me horny and up and running and enough to allow me to keep my weight.
05-17-2007, 12:59 AM
05-18-2007, 01:16 AM
damn. i didn't think it was that bad i mean i'm horny as hell and performing 4-5 times a day. well since i didn't put on the size that i expected with the cycle i actually did just start a few days ago a bottle of BAM. That should help me out some right? do you think i should get back on toremifene?
08-07-2007, 12:28 PM
08-08-2007, 12:52 AM
08-08-2007, 04:24 AM
Ive been thinking of running it again here to finish up what i have and i was thinking 2 weeks m1t then 2 weeks of ZOL. This info will just help me confirm that. Do you think ZOL would be enough to keep test up for those two weeks of clearing for the m1t?
08-08-2007, 09:53 AM
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/stero...ost-cycle.html this was ss's m1t post cycle blood work........i'm thinking of somehow incorperating it into my next test cycle...not sure how yet tho
08-08-2007, 10:02 AM
08-08-2007, 10:05 AM
08-08-2007, 10:12 AM
with a long test based cycle id do 2 or 3 weeks m1t chill for 2-3 weeks and if first run was good then run another 2-3 weeks.
08-08-2007, 10:21 AM
tues-(a non methyl) methoxy tst prolly at 12mg
thurs methoxy tst 12mg
sat methoxy tst,or megazol
sun methoxy tst,or trn
something like that...i have to use up a lot of sh*t,so i can get somewhat creative...i have 2 boxes of the first run halodrol too(the one with dmt).....some methyl-d too....so im still workin on this one...prolly gonna run it near christmas time....
08-08-2007, 11:21 AM
damn i think that would be too crazy to pulse that much sh1t, asswipe. Too many variables.
start a new thread fo sho......nakka
08-08-2007, 11:34 AM
08-08-2007, 11:42 AM
yeah i know but orals dont play. you could get gyno from many angles, you wouldnt know how to combat it.
08-08-2007, 11:46 AM
08-08-2007, 11:56 AM
08-08-2007, 12:08 PM
08-09-2007, 01:06 AM
08-09-2007, 11:39 AM
Trip-Dog needs your help america,M1T pulse ideas for my next cycle thats the link to my thread i started about it...check it out wolf and tell me your opinion............
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