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    The following profiles are based on either personal experience, or through experiences mentioned within this forum. Clones are not listed (as there are WAY too many to list). If you want to compare a clone to one of the designers listed, please be sure to check the nomenclature.

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    Methoxy-TST
    Innovator: Bioscience Technologies
    Nomenclature: 17b-methoxytrienosterone
    Pill size: 2mg
    Dosages: The label recommends 2-6mg daily, but many users report only noticing effects when dosed at 8-12mg.
    Side effects: Low liver toxicity. Some users say this is a libido killer, yet others say the exact opposite. Other users report sides of thinning hair/hair loss.
    Reputation: Seemingly underdosed, methoxy-TST could be considered an underrated designer, as many users have reported some substantial gains with higher dosages.


    Epistane/Havoc/Hemaguno
    Innovators: IBE, RPN, Spectra Force
    Nomenclature: 2a-3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
    Pill Size: 10mg or 12.5mg depending on what brand you use
    Dosages: 20-50mg
    Side Effects: Milder on liver and lipid levels than other methyls. Known to cause lower back and calf pumps.
    Reputation: There has had some spectroscopy and compound identification issues with these products, but from personal experience with it, is still a solid product. Many users have taken this compound as a solo run for gynecomastia reduction due to it's SERM-like and anti-aromatase properties. It is also a popular compound for use with the 'pulse method' of taking orals. Users can expect to see significant gains in both strength and mass.


    Pheraplex:
    Innovator: Designer Supplements
    Nomenclature: 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol
    Pill Size: 10mg
    Dosages: 10-40mg
    Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profile, lower back and calf pumps, some users report aggrevation of gynecomastia with this compound.
    Reputation: Solid product for bulking. Wet gains. It is a sometimes used to jumpstart an injectable cycle. This is the less androgenic isomer in the Ergomax LMG matrix.


    Ergomax LMG
    Innovator: ALRI
    Nomenclature: 17-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane & 17-methyl-delta-3-etioallocholane
    Pill Size: 10mg
    Dosages: 10-40mg
    Side effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, lower back and calf pumps, may aggrevate gynecomastia.
    Reputation: Again pretty solid for bulking. Users can expect similar gains as with pheraplex.


    Superdrol:
    Innovator: Designer Supplements
    Nomenclature: 2a, 17a-dimethyl-17-hydroxy-5a-etiocholan -3-one
    Pill size: 10mg
    Dosages: 10-30mg
    Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, hypoglycemia lower back and calf pumps, some users report agrivation of gynecomastia with this compound. From personal experience, it gives me a wicked rebound, that causes some flare-up.
    Reputation: Side effects vary from mild to extremely harsh, so use caution if planning your first run. Excellent dry gains. Great for bulking or cutting. Explosive strength gains.
    This is a methylated form of Drostanolone (Masteron)


    Methoxy-TRN
    Innovator: ALRI
    Nomenclature: 17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone
    Pill size: 1.5mg
    Dosages: 1.5-6mg
    Side effects: Affects libido (some positively some negatively), can aggrevate gynecomastia. May cause thinning hair/ hair loss. Also another progestin.
    Reputation: This guy is a real hit or miss. Some users loved the stuff, while others did not notice anything from it. From personal experience, I've noticed increases in strength as well as decreases in bodyfat.


    Halodrol-50
    Innovator: Gaspari Nutrition
    Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-1,4-diene-3,17 diol
    Pill Size: 50mg
    Dosages: 25-75mg
    Side effects: Heptatoxicity, lower back/calf pumps
    Reputation: Milder than superdrol or pheraplex. Modest gains in mass and strength. Most users take this as part of a cutting cycle.
    This is a prosteroid of Turinabol.

    Prostanozol/ Orasan-E
    Innovators: ALRI, Gaspari Nutrition
    Nomenclature: [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
    Pill size: 25mg
    Dosages: 50-150mg (Although it is not uncommon to go much higher than this)
    Side effects: very few sides. Some users report thinning hair/hair loss.
    Reputation: Possibly the most mild of the designers, this compound is rarely run standalone. It is often stacked with a methyl compound for a lean bulk or cut. Very mild, yet easily maintained gains.
    This is a de-alkylated derivative of Stanozol (winstrol).


    Finigenix Magnum
    Innovators: PharmagenX
    Nomenclature: Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
    Dosages: 50-75mg
    Side effects: aggrevation of gynecomastia. This is a progestin. Expect tren-like sides.
    Reputation: This is a prohormone to dienolone (similar to M-diene). Decent for recomp and increases in strength.

    Propadrol:
    Innovator: EST Nutrition
    Nomenclures: 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene &
    6-17 dihydroxyetiocholone-3-ol proponate
    Dosages: 1-2 caps daily
    Side effects: low side effects
    Reputation: User's who've taken it have reported great decreases in bodyfat, while increasing musclemass and strength. Not much data is present on this compound within this forum. NOTE: this is does not contain the same compound as Max LMG. They are close, but no cigar.


    Max LMG
    Innovator: ALRI
    Nomenclature: 13-ethyl-3methoxygona-2, 5(10)-dien-17-one
    Pill size: 25mg
    Dosages: 25-135mg daily
    Side effects: Can easily aggrevate gynecomastia. May be a libido killer. This is another progestin.
    Reputation: A bulking compound through and through. Users can expect great recovery, and soaking WET gains.


    M-1,4ADD
    Innovator: unknown
    Nomenclature: 17a-methyl-1,4-Androstadiene-3,17diol
    Dosages: 30-90mg daily
    Side effects: heptatoxicity, slight possibility to aggrevate gyno
    Reputation: Great for a bulk. Somewhat wet gains, and decent strength gains. This is a prohormone of Dianabol. However, since dianabol and Boldenone are so very similar, it is believed that the actions of this prohormone are more similar to boldenone than to dianabol (methylboldenone).

    1,4 AD
    Innovator: Molecular Nutrition
    Dosages: 300-600mg
    Nomenclature: 1,4-Androstadiene-3,17-dione
    Side effects: Mild
    Reputation: Very weak and not very cost-efficient at the moment. This compound is often stacked with a methyl to potentiate and accelerate gains. Cycles are usually run at a MINIMUM of 4 weeks as this one takes a few weeks to 'kick in'. Slow, steady, and easily maintainable gains. This is a prohormone of Boldenone.

    Promagnon-25
    Innovator: Peak Performance Labs
    Dosages: 25-75mg
    Nomenclature:4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol
    Side effects: The usual sides associated with methylated compounds (heptatoxicity, lower back/calf pumps)
    Reputation: Very similar to that of Halodrol-50, although people who've tried both seem to prefer Halodrol. For a while a lot of people were conviced that these two products were one in the same. Rest assured, they are not. This is a methyl derivative of clostebol.


    Oxyguno
    Innovator: Spectra Force
    Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17 -methyl- etioallochol-4-ene- 17 -ol-3,11-dione
    Pill Size: 7.5mg
    Dosages: 7.5-22.5mg daily
    Side effects: Heptatoxicity from 17a-methylation. Very low androgenic sides.
    Reputation: This is a derivative of the fish androgen, 11-keto-testosterone. 17 alkylation improves oral bioavailability; however, the addition of a 4-chloro group greatly lowers the anabolic/androgenic potential of an already weak androgen. What we're left with is a steroid with an incredibly low Q factor (anabolic divided by androgenic). I would expect this to be a great addition for cutting or possibly recomp, but a poor choice for bulking or looking to gain strength.

    Furaguno/ Ortasan-A
    Innovators: Spectra Force / Gaspari Nutrition
    Pill Size: 33mg
    Nomenclature: 5a0androstano[2,3-c] furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol
    Dosages: 33-99mg daily
    Side Effects: very mild
    Reputation: Supposedly lowers cholesterol, increases androgenic receptor activity, and does not induce any heptatoxicity. This product is too young on the market to have developed a reputation yet. Get some, log it, and let us know so I can update this compound's profile. This is a prosteroid to furazabol.

    11-oxo/Adrenodione
    Innovator: Anabolic Xtreme / Ergopharm
    Pill Size: 150mg
    Dosages: 450mg
    Nomenclature: andrenosterone, 11-oxo-androstenedione, or 4-androstene-3,11,17-trione (all mean the same thing)
    Side effects: Mild
    Reputation: This prohormone has a great affinity for blocking conversion to cortisol. User's report great changes in body composition, namely significant fatloss. If you're looking for some mass gains, you might opt for something else.


    3-AD
    Innovator: Anabolic Xtreme
    Pill Size: Prop Blend
    Dosages: 4-6 caps of Prop Blend
    Nomenclature: 2-androstenol acetate and androsterone (3-hydroxy-17-oxo-5a-androstane)
    Side effects: Mild
    Reputation: As per the testing logs, this compound is been shown to cause great gains in mass, mild strength, can be kinda wet (although it is non-aromatizable). I would prefer to compare this to something like 4-AD, from back in the day. Very mild side effects.

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    great post .on the m14add maker was cel competive edge labs also now discontiued now anabolic formulations is now selling a mix of trenplex & m14add
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    BTW, what was your all around favorite?
    Out of the list, I've run cycles of Superdrol, Pheraplex, Methoxy-TRN, and Havoc.

    Right now, it's a tie between pheraplex and havoc.

    I am planning a TST/Superdrol/Pheraplex cycle for over the summer, so opinions might change. I've heard some great reviews of TST at the much higher dosages, and am interested to see how it pans out.
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    I love this thread, thanks for the info!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    The following profiles are based on either personal experience, or through experiences mentioned within this forum. Enjoy.

    Methoxy-TST
    Innovator: Bioscience Technologies
    Nomenclature: 17b-methoxytrienosterone
    Pill size: 2mg
    Dosages: The label recommends 2-6mg daily, but many users report only noticing effects when dosed at 8-12mg.
    Side effects: Low liver toxicity. Some users say this is a libido killer, yet others say the exact opposite.
    Reputation: Seemingly underdosed, methoxy-TST could be considered an underrated designer, as many users have reported some substantial gains with higher dosages.


    Epistane/Havoc/Hemaguno
    Innovators: IBE, RPN, Spectra Force
    Nomenclature: 2a-3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
    Pill Size: 10mg or 12.5mg depending on what brand you use
    Dosages: 20-50mg
    Side Effects: Milder on liver and lipid levels than other methyls. Known to cause lower back and calf pumps.
    Reputation: Havoc has had some spectroscopy issues, but from personal experience with it, is still a solid product. Many users have taken this compound as a solo run for gynecomastia reduction due to it's SERM-like and anti-aromatase properties. It is also a popular compound for use with the 'pulse method' of taking orals. Users can expect to see significant gains in both strength and mass.


    Pheraplex:
    Innovator: Anabolic Xtreme
    Nomenclature: 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol
    Pill Size: 10mg
    Dosages: 10-40mg
    Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profile, lower back and calf pumps, some users report aggrevation of gynecomastia with this compound.
    Reputation: Solid product for bulking. Wet gains. It is a sometimes used to jumpstart an injectable cycle. This is the less androgenic isomer in the Ergomax LMG matrix.


    Ergomax LMG
    Innovator: ALRI
    Nomenclature: 17-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane isomers
    Pill Size: 10mg
    Dosages: 10-40mg
    Side effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, lower back and calf pumps, may aggrevate gynecomastia.
    Reputation: Again pretty solid for bulking. Users can expect similar gains as with pheraplex.


    Superdrol:
    Innovator: Designer Supplements
    Nomenclature: 2a, 17a-dimethyl-17-hydroxy-5a-etiocholan -3-one
    Pill size: 10mg
    Dosages: 10-30mg
    Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, hypoglycemia lower back and calf pumps, some users report agrivation of gynecomastia with this compound.
    Reputation: Side effects vary from mild to extremely harsh, so use caution if planning your first run. Excellent dry gains. Great for bulking or cutting. Explosive strength gains.
    This is a methylated form of Drostanolone (Masteron)


    Methoxy-TRN
    Innovator: ALRI
    Nomenclature: 17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone
    Pill size: 1.5mg
    Dosages: 1.5-6mg
    Side effects: Affects libido (some positively some negatively), can aggrevate gynecomastia.
    Reputation: This guy is a real hit or miss. Some users loved the stuff, while others did not notice anything from it. From personal experience, I've noticed increases in strength as well as decreases in bodyfat.


    Halodrol-50
    Innovator: Gaspari Nutrition
    Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-4-ene-3,17 diol
    Pill Size: 50mg
    Dosages: 25-75mg
    Side effects: Heptatoxicity, lower back/calf pumps
    Reputation: Milder than superdrol or pheraplex. Modest gains in mass and strength. Most users take this as part of a cutting cycle.
    This is a prosteroid of Turinabol.

    Prostanozol/ Orasan-E
    Innovators: Gaspari Nutrition, ALRI
    Nomenclature: [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
    Pill size: 25mg
    Dosages: 50-150mg
    Side effects: very few sides
    Reputation: Possibly the most mild of the designers, this compound is rarely run standalone. It is often stacked with a methyl compound for a lean bulk or cut. Very mild, yet easily maintained gains.
    This is a prosteroid of Stanozol (winstrol).


    Finigenix Magnum
    Innovators: PharmagenX
    Nomenclature: Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
    Dosages: 50-75mg
    Side effects: aggrevation of gynecomastia
    Reputation: Despite it's availability, there is not enough data in this forum to comment on its reputation. I will fill this in later.


    Propadrol:
    Innovator: EST Nutrition
    Nomenclures: 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene &
    6-17 dihydroxyetiocholone-3-ol proponate
    Dosages: 1-2 caps daily
    Side effects: low side effects
    Reputation: User's who've taken it have reported great decreases in bodyfat, while increasing musclemass and strength. Not much data is present on this compound within this forum. NOTE: this is does not contain the same compound as Max LMG. They are close, but no cigar.


    Max LMG
    Innovator: ALRI
    Nomenclature: 13-ethyl-3methoxygona-2, 5(10)-dien-17-one
    Pill size: 25mg
    Dosages: 25-135mg daily
    Side effects: Can easily aggrevate gynecomastia
    Reputation: A bulking compound through and through. Users can expect great recovery, and soaking WET gains.


    M-1,4ADD
    Innovator: unknown
    Nomenclature: 17a-methyl-1,4-Androstadiene-3,17diol
    Dosages: 30-90mg daily
    Side effects: heptatoxicity, slight possibility to aggrevate gyno
    Reputation: Great for a bulk. Wet gains, and decent strength gains. This is a prohormone of Dianabol.

    1,4 AD
    Innovator: Molecular Nutrition
    Dosages: 300-600mg
    Side effects: Mild
    Reputation: Very weak and not very cost-efficient at the moment. This compound is often stacked with a methyl to potentiate and accelerate gains. Cycles are usually run at a MINIMUM of 4 weeks as this one takes a few weeks to 'kick in'. Slow, steady, and easily maintainable gains. This is a prohormone of Boldenone.


    3-AD
    Innovator: Anabolic Xtreme
    Pill Size: unknown
    Dosages: Unknown
    Side effects: Unknown, though probably mild
    Reputation: This hasn't even been released yet. So get yourself a bottle and log it so I can put something here.


    Any additions/corrections you think should be made, just bump the thread, and I'll fix them when I have the time.

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    Great post. I agree with the thoughts on both the 14ad and M14add. Dosage on Propadrol is 30mg/cap usually ran at 60mgs/day. A Lot of reviews on DA for Fini. Mag., most of them decent. All in all though, you did a great job man. I enjoyed readin this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    The following profiles are based on either personal experience, or through experiences mentioned within this forum. Enjoy.

    Methoxy-TST
    Innovator: Bioscience Technologies
    Nomenclature: 17b-methoxytrienosterone
    Pill size: 2mg
    Dosages: The label recommends 2-6mg daily, but many users report only noticing effects when dosed at 8-12mg.
    Side effects: Low liver toxicity. Some users say this is a libido killer, yet others say the exact opposite.
    Reputation: Seemingly underdosed, methoxy-TST could be considered an underrated designer, as many users have reported some substantial gains with higher dosages.


    Epistane/Havoc/Hemaguno
    Innovators: IBE, RPN, Spectra Force
    Nomenclature: 2a-3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
    Pill Size: 10mg or 12.5mg depending on what brand you use
    Dosages: 20-50mg
    Side Effects: Milder on liver and lipid levels than other methyls. Known to cause lower back and calf pumps.
    Reputation: Havoc has had some spectroscopy issues, but from personal experience with it, is still a solid product. Many users have taken this compound as a solo run for gynecomastia reduction due to it's SERM-like and anti-aromatase properties. It is also a popular compound for use with the 'pulse method' of taking orals. Users can expect to see significant gains in both strength and mass.


    Pheraplex:
    Innovator: Anabolic Xtreme
    Nomenclature: 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol
    Pill Size: 10mg
    Dosages: 10-40mg
    Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profile, lower back and calf pumps, some users report aggrevation of gynecomastia with this compound.
    Reputation: Solid product for bulking. Wet gains. It is a sometimes used to jumpstart an injectable cycle. This is the less androgenic isomer in the Ergomax LMG matrix.


    Ergomax LMG
    Innovator: ALRI
    Nomenclature: 17-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane isomers
    Pill Size: 10mg
    Dosages: 10-40mg
    Side effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, lower back and calf pumps, may aggrevate gynecomastia.
    Reputation: Again pretty solid for bulking. Users can expect similar gains as with pheraplex.


    Superdrol:
    Innovator: Designer Supplements
    Nomenclature: 2a, 17a-dimethyl-17-hydroxy-5a-etiocholan -3-one
    Pill size: 10mg
    Dosages: 10-30mg
    Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, hypoglycemia lower back and calf pumps, some users report agrivation of gynecomastia with this compound.
    Reputation: Side effects vary from mild to extremely harsh, so use caution if planning your first run. Excellent dry gains. Great for bulking or cutting. Explosive strength gains.
    This is a methylated form of Drostanolone (Masteron)


    Methoxy-TRN
    Innovator: ALRI
    Nomenclature: 17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone
    Pill size: 1.5mg
    Dosages: 1.5-6mg
    Side effects: Affects libido (some positively some negatively), can aggrevate gynecomastia.
    Reputation: This guy is a real hit or miss. Some users loved the stuff, while others did not notice anything from it. From personal experience, I've noticed increases in strength as well as decreases in bodyfat.


    Halodrol-50
    Innovator: Gaspari Nutrition
    Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-4-ene-3,17 diol
    Pill Size: 50mg
    Dosages: 25-75mg
    Side effects: Heptatoxicity, lower back/calf pumps
    Reputation: Milder than superdrol or pheraplex. Modest gains in mass and strength. Most users take this as part of a cutting cycle.
    This is a prosteroid of Turinabol.

    Prostanozol/ Orasan-E
    Innovators: Gaspari Nutrition, ALRI
    Nomenclature: [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
    Pill size: 25mg
    Dosages: 50-150mg
    Side effects: very few sides
    Reputation: Possibly the most mild of the designers, this compound is rarely run standalone. It is often stacked with a methyl compound for a lean bulk or cut. Very mild, yet easily maintained gains.
    This is a prosteroid of Stanozol (winstrol).


    Finigenix Magnum
    Innovators: PharmagenX
    Nomenclature: Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
    Dosages: 50-75mg
    Side effects: aggrevation of gynecomastia
    Reputation: Despite it's availability, there is not enough data in this forum to comment on its reputation. I will fill this in later.


    Propadrol:
    Innovator: EST Nutrition
    Nomenclures: 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene &
    6-17 dihydroxyetiocholone-3-ol proponate
    Dosages: 1-2 caps daily
    Side effects: low side effects
    Reputation: User's who've taken it have reported great decreases in bodyfat, while increasing musclemass and strength. Not much data is present on this compound within this forum. NOTE: this is does not contain the same compound as Max LMG. They are close, but no cigar.


    Max LMG
    Innovator: ALRI
    Nomenclature: 13-ethyl-3methoxygona-2, 5(10)-dien-17-one
    Pill size: 25mg
    Dosages: 25-135mg daily
    Side effects: Can easily aggrevate gynecomastia
    Reputation: A bulking compound through and through. Users can expect great recovery, and soaking WET gains.


    M-1,4ADD
    Innovator: unknown
    Nomenclature: 17a-methyl-1,4-Androstadiene-3,17diol
    Dosages: 30-90mg daily
    Side effects: heptatoxicity, slight possibility to aggrevate gyno
    Reputation: Great for a bulk. Wet gains, and decent strength gains. This is a prohormone of Dianabol.

    1,4 AD
    Innovator: Molecular Nutrition
    Dosages: 300-600mg
    Side effects: Mild
    Reputation: Very weak and not very cost-efficient at the moment. This compound is often stacked with a methyl to potentiate and accelerate gains. Cycles are usually run at a MINIMUM of 4 weeks as this one takes a few weeks to 'kick in'. Slow, steady, and easily maintainable gains. This is a prohormone of Boldenone.


    3-AD
    Innovator: Anabolic Xtreme
    Pill Size: unknown
    Dosages: Unknown
    Side effects: Unknown, though probably mild
    Reputation: This hasn't even been released yet. So get yourself a bottle and log it so I can put something here.


    Any additions/corrections you think should be made, just bump the thread, and I'll fix them when I have the time.

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    hey what about I Force bold 1,4add?? is it the same as 1,4ad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerz912 View Post
    hey what about I Force bold 1,4add?? is it the same as 1,4ad?
    It's 1,4 Bold. It is the same as 1,4 AD, which was first brought to the market by Molecular Nutrition. I have listed the first company (to my knowledge) that brought the compound to the market. In the case of Havoc/Epistane/Hemaguno, I felt they all hit the market at about the same time, making it a 3 way tie.
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    stop quoting the whole list! LOL

    jeeze, great thread!
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    You gotta fix a few things...

    AX was not the innovator for PP, it was either ALRI or DS (I forget)...

    Prostan is not the prosteroid of winny, it is the unmethylated version of it.

    For fini, look up diplomats logs, he was obsessed with that stuff.

    You're missing a few others as well, M1T, Andro, NorAndro, 1-Test, 1AD, 4AD, Promagnon25, Oxyguno, Furaguno...

    ..I'm probably forgetting some.


    Good post though, guess someone was bored.
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    Awesome post bro, this should def be added to continuesly..
    maybe even sticky material

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    Quote Originally Posted by PumpingIron View Post
    You gotta fix a few things...

    AX was not the innovator for PP, it was either ALRI or DS (I forget)...

    Prostan is not the prosteroid of winny, it is the unmethylated version of it.

    For fini, look up diplomats logs, he was obsessed with that stuff.

    You're missing a few others as well, M1T, Andro, NorAndro, 1-Test, 1AD, 4AD, Promagnon25, Oxyguno, Furaguno...

    ..I'm probably forgetting some.
    Fixed the PP innovator.

    I was under the impression that Prostan was active in itself, but had the ability to convert to winny; hence, my calling it a prosteroid. I'll look further into it after I'm done with finals.


    I chose to exclude compounds that were banned in 2004. Oxyguno and Furaguno/Ortasan-A are too new for me to comment on them. I'll try and add those in as time persists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PumpingIron View Post
    AX was not the innovator for PP, it was either ALRI or DS (I forget)...
    It was indeed DS.

    Quote Originally Posted by PumpingIron View Post
    You're missing a few others as well, M1T, Andro, NorAndro, 1-Test, 1AD, 4AD, Promagnon25, Oxyguno, Furaguno...

    ..I'm probably forgetting some.
    It looks like he just listed the ones that haven't been added as Class III Scheduled substances. Don't know if that is what he was going for...

    EDIT - Looks like I was too slow, and sinner replied himself
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    I'm pretty sure it's unmethylated winny...I'll look into it though and let ya know what I find...

    Definately Sticky Material!!!
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    Yeah, A few weeks/months ago (I lose track of time) I was talking to someone on this forum, who was looking to run his first designer cycle. I gave him the low down on things I've run, and he mentioned the idea of creating a sticky for it.
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    Rep points for that bro!
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    Heres the write up from gernic labz megazol:

    Mega ZOL is a highly effective, and much safer, legal alternative to the c17-methylated and c17-alpha alkylated prosteroids banned from the supplement market.

    Mega ZOL is the active part of Winny without the bad side affects. By removing the harmful c17-alkylation on winny and giving it an THP ether for high oral delivery, Mega-ZOL can deliver all of the muscle building ripped body results and stop the health risks normal to its illegal counterpart.


    And doses for the can get pretty crazy...like 300 or 400 mgs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PumpingIron View Post
    Heres the write up from gernic labz megazol:

    Mega ZOL is a highly effective, and much safer, legal alternative to the c17-methylated and c17-alpha alkylated prosteroids banned from the supplement market.

    Mega ZOL is the active part of Winny without the bad side affects. By removing the harmful c17-alkylation on winny and giving it an THP ether for high oral delivery, Mega-ZOL can deliver all of the muscle building ripped body results and stop the health risks normal to its illegal counterpart.


    And doses for the can get pretty crazy...like 300 or 400 mgs...
    I've heard of dosages as high as 500mg, but I don't want people to start making trips to the hospital based on the dosages prescribed in this thread. I think twice the ALRI recommended dosage of Prostanozol will be sufficient, outside of that: you're on your own.

    I will make note to both, and adjust my post accordingly.


    I also added Promag, Furaguno, & Oxyguno for ya
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    Gave ya some reps for what it's worth. Great looking profiles. Needs a tiny bit of work, but it should definitely be stickied!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    Out of the list, I've run cycles of Superdrol, Pheraplex, Methoxy-TRN, and Havoc.

    Right now, it's a tie between pheraplex and havoc.

    I am planning a TST/Superdrol/Pheraplex cycle for over the summer, so opinions might change. I've heard some great reviews of TST at the much higher dosages, and am interested to see how it pans out.
    sinner am i reading that right you are going to stack superdrol and pheraplex. Just wondering what made you change your mind because a few months ago you posted on the bad sides you had read about from that stack. Not saying it's not good i've ran that stack more than once and always came out fine. st
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    Once 3AD is out do I hear sticky


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    Out of all of the new orals, the only one that I have tried was MTRN in a stack w/ 1-Test/4AD. To put it simply, it was my best cycle ever. I recomped and gained so much strength. The only problem I had was a blood sugar crash at night due to the nutrient repartioning.
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    As I rep'd you, great post. If you get to it, perhaps a list of recommended combinations/stacks would make it even more beneficial.
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    Great post! Maybe this will stop the flooding of PH questions.
    When ya get some free time though any chance for more extensive sides listings? Some things to add:
    Methoxy TST + TRN, as well as Prostanozol both have caused some hair loss
    Max LMG murders libido in most cases
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    Quote Originally Posted by mixedup View Post
    sinner am i reading that right you are going to stack superdrol and pheraplex. Just wondering what made you change your mind because a few months ago you posted on the bad sides you had read about from that stack. Not saying it's not good i've ran that stack more than once and always came out fine. st
    This time I'm not going to be running them both at the same time, which is what I had done in the past. It'll be 2-3 weeks superdrol & TST, followed by 2-3 weeks PP & TST. So the methyls are being bridged as opposed to being stacked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Out of all of the new orals, the only one that I have tried was MTRN in a stack w/ 1-Test/4AD. To put it simply, it was my best cycle ever. I recomped and gained so much strength. The only problem I had was a blood sugar crash at night due to the nutrient repartioning.
    That's a pretty sick stack. I wish 1-test was still around. I was way too young to be on the juice train when it was available, and never had a chance to access any pre-ban.
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    Great job bud!

    FWIR Furaguno/Orastan A is a prosteroid to furazabol (that's why Gaspari has chosen not to sell it in the United States).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    As I rep'd you, great post. If you get to it, perhaps a list of recommended combinations/stacks would make it even more beneficial.
    I've taken this into account, and have started writing up a list of popular stacks.

    Right now I've got:
    Superdrol/Prostanozol
    Superdrol/Pheraplex
    Pheraplex/Max LMG
    Ergomax/Max LMG
    Methoxy-TRN/Methoxy-TST
    Methoxy-TRN/Pheraplex or Methoxy-TRN/Pheraplex/Prostanozol


    If you can think of any other "popular" stacks, feel free to chime in, and I'll try 'n' make a new thread some time in the next couple of weeks.
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    Great post. Thanks. I did not see Hemadrol mentioned anywhere? I read that it is exactly the same as Halodrol -50. But not sure if it's the same potency. I would like to know about that from anyone. None the less, graet post man!! reps to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockma View Post
    Great post. Thanks. I did not see Hemadrol mentioned anywhere? I read that it is exactly the same as Halodrol -50. But not sure if it's the same potency. I would like to know about that from anyone. None the less, graet post man!! reps to you.
    Yeah, I only listed the originals, and not any of clones which hit the market later on. If I listed all the clones, I'd have about a million.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    That's a pretty sick stack. I wish 1-test was still around. I was way too young to be on the juice train when it was available, and never had a chance to access any pre-ban.
    I stocked up before the ban b/c the feedback on 1-Test was so overwhelming.
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    Talking


    Sinner I copied and pasted this great thread and posted it at DA hope u don't mind.

    Really good stuff man. Should help out alot of newbs over there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCfan1 View Post
    Sinner I copied and pasted this great thread and posted it at DA hope u don't mind.

    Really good stuff man. Should help out alot of newbs over there.
    You bastard! How could you?! just kidding. I put it together to help the noobs, the more ther merrier.

    What's DA? I'm not a member there....yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    You bastard! How could you?! just kidding. I put it together to help the noobs, the more ther merrier.

    What's DA? I'm not a member there....yet.
    Discount anabolics.
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    i'm thinking about running a m-trn/m-zol/superdrol soon. it would like like this

    trn-1234
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    what dosages do you guys think should be run on the trn and zol?? i've seen low low dosages and very high as well so i'm not too sure because i've never run trn or zol. pc t will be torm, hdx2, massfx, retain, and probably some fenu. i also have some activate but that might be overkill.
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    If you start low, you can always increase the dosages. In my opinion, the less you can take (and still see results) the better.
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    Havoc has had some spectroscopy issues

    I was under the impression Havoc tested fine and Epi was spurious?
  

  
 

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