Whats up the new "1ad" and 4ad
it is supposed to be a delta-1 analog of DHEA, which would make it a 1-AD precursorfrom what I understand they are bunk...I think I read somewhere that the 1 AD is basically just DHEA.
agreed.from what I understand they are bunk...I think I read somewhere that the 1 AD is basically just DHEA.
wait for 3 AD by AX...they won't let us down like AMS
nice numbers bro,yea it's for the stupid,and dumb fu*ks that think somehow a banned substance came back like magic...I'm pretty psyced about 3ad however....From my uderstanding they were precursorst to 1-AD and 4-AD. That makes them a precursor to a precursor.
Before anyone gets the idea that a 4-AD precursor is a good thing, let's explore why (even if this is true) it is still total crap:
Since real 4-AD converts to test @ a rate of 5%, we'll assume AMS's 4-AD will convert to real 4-AD at a rate of 5%. If that is the actual case, then only 0.25% whatever you take is going to actually make its way into becoming testosterone.
you cannot use the in-vitro numbers like this to come to any conclusion relevant to in-vivo realityFrom my uderstanding they were precursorst to 1-AD and 4-AD. That makes them a precursor to a precursor.
Before anyone gets the idea that a 4-AD precursor is a good thing, let's explore why (even if this is true) it is still total crap:
Since real 4-AD converts to test @ a rate of 5%, we'll assume AMS's 4-AD will convert to real 4-AD at a rate of 5%. If that is the actual case, then only 0.25% whatever you take is going to actually make its way into becoming testosterone.
you are psyched about 3-Ad. what is 3-ad?nice numbers bro,yea it's for the stupid,and dumb fu*ks that think somehow a banned substance came back like magic...I'm pretty psyced about 3ad however....
From my uderstanding they were precursorst to 1-AD and 4-AD. That makes them a precursor to a precursor.
Before anyone gets the idea that a 4-AD precursor is a good thing, let's explore why (even if this is true) it is still total crap:
Since real 4-AD converts to test @ a rate of 5%, we'll assume AMS's 4-AD will convert to real 4-AD at a rate of 5%. If that is the actual case, then only 0.25% whatever you take is going to actually make its way into becoming testosterone.
Yeah, I believe its a big difference. Its not bioavailable in oral form no, so I guess its really a moot point.5% or 15% whats the difference. Unless there is some tremendous bioavailabilty your splitting hairs...no?
psyced about the hype.....i don't mess with bullsh*t prohormones (orals)for that matter.......I like the hype behind it...will i ever use it...hell no....the only orals imo worth anything are superdrol,and a very select few.....plain and simple pat...orals are rough on the body...why waste time playing with(well maybee this will convert sh!t) You need to stop taking all these posts seriously like your life somehow depends on them...wtf,relaxyou are psyched about 3-Ad. what is 3-ad?
please don't tell me you are psyched about it without even knowing what it is
I was refering to oral availability, sorry. I'm guessing we agree then?Yeah, I believe its a big difference. Its not bioavailable in oral form no, so I guess its really a moot point.
I was refering to oral availability, sorry. I'm guessing we agree then?
My bad, I knew the numbers, but didn't know from what they were based. The main purpose of that post was to prevent someone from saying "so it's basically like getting 4-AD" in this thread.you cannot use the in-vitro numbers like this to come to any conclusion relevant to in-vivo reality
This is what the case with this stuff basically is. The 4-AD precursor will convert quickly and efficiently into 4-androstenedione. It will do this much more preferentially than the pathway towards 4-AD (the 4-en-3beta-ol group oxidizes rapidly). After that, androstenedione will go through its known pathways
the 1-AD precursor should similarly convert effectively into 1-androstenedione.
We know, or I do at least, that 4-androstenedione is a prohormone with problems - it goes to estrone too easily and its conversion to testosterone is not fantastic
OTOH, 1-androstenedione converts well into 1-testosterone. Aromatization is not an issue. 1-androstenedione is an effective prohormone
I'm thinking of the ketone version, and you're referring to the alcohol version. But you are correct with 15%.It converts to test at 15% not 5.
hahah,carefull now pat arnold doesn't agree,and that means...well...(blink,blink) absolutly nothing to me :head:YEA boy 3ad!!!:dance: :head:
Very true...but Anabolic Extreme has a very good rep. of making home-run products so I think this product will live up to the hype.I think he's just trying to point out the fact that you shouldn't blindy follow into the hype. I mean, if we all took things because they were hyped up, we'd all be taking the entire MuscleTech line.
I agree. I have much respect for the folks at AX, as well as Dr. D (who I'm pretty sure was involved in designing this one), and don't doubt that this will be a solid product. However, there is currently not enough information out about 3-AD for the consumer to make an 'informed' desision as to its effectiveness.Very true...but Anabolic Extreme has a very good rep. of making home-run products so I think this product will live up to the hype.
indeed: hype != information...I think he's just trying to point out the fact that you shouldn't blindy follow into the hype. I mean, if we all took things because they were hyped up, we'd all be taking the entire MuscleTech line.
psyced about the hype.....i don't mess with bullsh*t prohormones (orals)for that matter.......I like the hype behind it...will i ever use it...hell no....the only orals imo worth anything are superdrol,and a very select few.....plain and simple pat...orals are rough on the body...why waste time playing with(well maybee this will convert sh!t) You need to stop taking all these posts seriously like your life somehow depends on them...wtf,relax
hahah,carefull now pat arnold doesn't agree,and that means...well...(blink,blink) absolutly nothing to me :head:
lol, hes just cranky he cant come out with something new himself.
If only 1-AD were still legal.jeezus christ if you only knew the irony of that statement
4-androstenediol corrected these to some extent though didn't it?We know, or I do at least, that 4-androstenedione is a prohormone with problems - it goes to estrone too easily and its conversion to testosterone is not fantastic
why is it ironic? you said yourself you wont touch any PH or PS, thats the topic of discusion here. not saying you arent a man of innovation and cant come up with ANYTHING, i just know that your not willing to go around the questionable substances cause of your current legal situation, thus my statement regarding your comment in the 3-ad catagory.jeezus christ if you only knew the irony of that statement
:gotsearch dude TONS of people have used it with much success and even more so with the new Hyperdrol X-2 version. just cause you havnt seen it presented to you on a platter dont mean its not there. and i too wish 1-AD were still legal, wonder who came up with that oneIf only 1-AD were still legal.
BTW, what ever happened to Hyperdrol? I heard a lot about it before it came out, but haven't heard anything since.
quite a bit4-androstenediol corrected these to some extent though didn't it?
LMAO nevermind, i think ill try PA's compound when its called 3-AD and released by AX, innovative my ass, you got yourself some good spy's there eh pat???
lol its ok, if it turns out differently then again ill pull my foot out my mouth but when you even say yourself it may be the same then im not happy and not gonna give you credit for being innovative, credit givin where credits due and AX has done all the hyping liscensing and legwork for this compound so they will get my dough..... although IF this is diff i WILL turn around and applaude you and give you your credit and some of my dough... it just dont look good right now.:nono:i feel sorry for you man
and dont paly the researching in 2003 card, i bet you cant count the number of substances youve researched or pulled from vida then gave up on... now you hear that someone else got it to work its back to the drawing boards with this one... once again ill go with the AX version of this compound if it comes down that they are the same..... right now im no doubting a bit that they are.
lol its ok, if it turns out differently then again ill pull my foot out my mouth but when you even say yourself it may be the same then im not happy and not gonna give you credit for being innovative, credit givin where credits due and AX has done all the hyping liscensing and legwork for this compound so they will get my dough..... although IF this is diff i WILL turn around and applaude you and give you your credit and some of my dough... it just dont look good right now.:nono:
poopypants.as much as i dont like the way you handle your self in multiple situations
innovative my ass, you got yourself some good spy's there eh pat???
until im asked to just let it drop by THEM or find out you havnt miraculously come up with the exact same thing at the same time then ill be screamin bloody murder. have a nice day.
im sure in some respects they dont, at the same time im sure YOU dont want people to think that so you dont get any negative attention regarding YOUR new supplement.
Yea, no kidding! Good thing I stocked up!If only 1-AD were still legal.
I think it is highly unlikely that they have developed the same compound. It just seems like a 1 in a million sort of deal, but after havoc/epi/hem who knows, it could be. But ohhh man, I am praying it isnt the same. I would love to have another prohormone to stack with 3-ad! I am drooling! seriousely though, 2 weeks! man, my brains just exploded out the back of my head when I read that.
EDIT: hopefully this presses a sense of ergency over at AX. You never know, maybe a little pressure will help solidify an earlier release date.