*The Pulsing Method Is INEFFECTIVE and DANGEROUS: The TRUTH EXPOSED!*
- 04-10-2007, 11:02 PM
- 04-10-2007, 11:03 PM
04-10-2007, 11:07 PM
So many ppl jumped in b/c THE_ROSS, aka THE_MIND_OF_ROSS, aka, TheJackedJew, ad infinitum, is probably the most annoying troll on all of the forums and nobody can stand him.
He thinks because he learned about PubMed's existence and can do a few searches that he's some genius, despite the fact that he doesn't have the education to properly interpret the research he's digging up on PubMed.
04-10-2007, 11:47 PM
At the time of my posting, I wasn't totally sure that this thread was just someone being a dumb***, and I wanted to make the point clear that there isn't much of anything you can post to disprove Dr. D's Pulsing Theory (since there's not enough data to say for certain how pulsing compares) before things got heated.
04-11-2007, 12:27 AM
04-11-2007, 12:44 AM
04-11-2007, 12:55 AM
I have a lot of respect for IBE and i am more than aware you have helped numerous members on different boards, including myself.
i do not claim to know more than you about epistane, i am just extremely averse to running anything less than a strong PCT for any steroid whatsoever. it is a safety and precautionary issue, not an attack on you or IBE.
If there is a safe oral to pulse, it seems epistane/havoc would be the perfect candidate. that being said, yo-yoing hormone levels could potentially be dangerous. For all we know, some may be perfectly capable of bouncing back from a pulse. Others might dig themselves further into a hormonal ditch with each "pulse".
04-11-2007, 02:05 AM
Extremely well said.
Unfortunately, I think younger kids who either don't know sources for pct, understand the purpose of a pct, or simply never want to come off will learn the bare minimum and start to abuse the pulsing method.
For some, it is a good idea. However, i prefer to go all or nothing and then be "off" for a longer time than im "on". I definitely think the gains are better this way.
04-11-2007, 06:03 AM
04-11-2007, 02:52 PM
PULSING is NONSENSE.
My PHYSIQUE and my HEALTH speak volumes for themselves.
NO ONE has refuted the information that I provided in the opening article. People simply ATTACKED ME instead of attacking the real issue.
I have no intentions of staying here, I simply needed to DEMONSTRATE that this "Dr. D" has no clue. Pulsing is not an effective means of administering AAS.
I NEVER broke a single RULE here at AnabolicMinds. Why was I banned?
TheRossForums are coming soon!
04-11-2007, 02:59 PM
"Pulsing" does not eliminate NOR reduce HPTA detriment.
HOWEVER, there are many drugs that can be used in normal dosages and WILL NOT CAUSE SHUTDOWN. Dianabol, Primobolan, Proviron and Turinabol are just a few.
04-11-2007, 03:02 PM
The Hypothalamus signals the Pituitary.
You DO know that there is HUGE difference between PRIMARY hypogonadism and SECONDARY hypogonadism, right?
Furthermore, I was illustrating the fact that some steroids will barely inihibit endogenous testosterone production.
Do your reasearch buddy..
04-11-2007, 03:08 PM
04-11-2007, 03:32 PM
04-11-2007, 03:56 PM
1. He's attacking Dr. D for giving bad info then he claims some steroids won't shut you down LOL ? He mentioned T-Bol and I've been shut down nicely on 50 mg of T-Bol before.
2. Never provided info to disprove the pulsating method.
OTOH, this did bring up some decent issues for me. What is the whole benefit to pulsing if you're planning long cycles of injectables with few spurts of orals in between ( Var & T-Bol ) followed by IGF in PCT and time off from cycles ?
04-11-2007, 04:18 PM
04-11-2007, 04:43 PM
04-11-2007, 06:25 PM
Lecturing him on anything HPTA related is like lecturing Einstein on the theory of relativity. lol.
04-11-2007, 10:30 PM
04-11-2007, 10:41 PM
When I'm feeling ill, I say "F*ck my HMO, I need a person whose jacked from doping steroids."
04-12-2007, 02:01 AM
04-12-2007, 02:39 AM
04-12-2007, 03:24 AM
04-12-2007, 01:17 PM
I wanted to express my opinion on the whole "to pulse or not to pulse" discussion, to see if people are in agreeance with me.
First, I think it's very important to get one thing clear here with regards to pulsing. If you are a bodybuilder who's striving to add X number of lbs of LBM to your frame per year, to better yourself for competition, then the pulse method is not for you.
As far as I'm concerned, pulsing is a method better suited for an avid weight lifter, who also has goals in mind, but is far more flexable with regards to his weight training agenda. Some one who is looking to make gains slightly faster than those who are drug free, but is willing to accept a 5 lb. gain and still see that as a successful venture. Unlike a competitive bodybuilder who is looking more to maximize the possible gains yielded forth by a cycle, and with that, is using a cycle with far greater dosages and lengths of time.
Pulsing also appears to be better suited for someone who isn't looking to sacrifice his/her health for the sport. Some people training out there don't care about a drug's impact on their system. They want to grow and thats all their concerned with. For those individuals, they would be better suited with a cycling method that will produce results that meet their expectations. The pulse method isn't the answer for those individuals.
So needless to say, the "real world" feedback, thus so far, appears to be real positive. Some more cycles run in the pulse method, coupled with some posted healthy pre/post blood work, will only help to reinforce the positiveness. Also, I think once some people out there decide what it is that they want to achieve through this sport, and take into consideration what is truly realistic for them self (as far as what they could actually achieve for strength and muscle gain), more and more individuals may begin to see the benefit to pulsing versus other typical cycling methods.
In all honesty, if you're not going to be standing on stage or under a bar at a meet, then why go balls to the wall with your doses and cycle lengths?!?! Think about it!
04-12-2007, 05:44 PM
I agree with your closing note; it's poor risk management to be planning/running any steroids cycles without any clear-cut motives or benefits from doing so. However, I think you're missing the point of pulsing: to avoid post-cycle therapy.
To say that it's not for the competative bodybuilder/powerlifter/athlete is a strong statement to be making, and at the moment there's not enough data to say that one method (cycling or pulsing) is superior over the other. Although pulsing will not be as yield as high of gains as a straight cycle, the cycle can also be run a little longer than usual, and the real kicker: NO PCT! For someone who cannot access the means of proper PCT, or someone who has poor success with proper PCT, this sounds like a great alternative.
04-12-2007, 05:45 PM
i agree with the rest of your post though and would say most of the reasons you stated are the ones id be looking into pulsing something like Epi / Havoc.
04-12-2007, 05:57 PM
04-12-2007, 06:15 PM
Though I am not a fan of pulsing the original poster's argument has several large holes in it.
Comparison of AAS to corticosteroids is completely invalid IMO. Different pathways, different objectives in using them and huge differences in their impact to, yes once again, very different portions of the endocrine system.
There's some broad statements made about peak blood levels and half lives. This has to be made more specific given the huge array of differences between AAS compounds themselves and the method of administration...ie one can't talk about short half lives of orals and compare them to long acting ester injectibles.
Not really taking a side here as I have no interest in bridging, cruising or pulsing. I tend to agree with Dr John that such things are not good ideas in the first place, however if one is going to make a strongly worded,capitalized and highlighted argument of this nature..one should have their ducks in a row first.
04-12-2007, 06:21 PM
04-12-2007, 06:25 PM
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