*The Pulsing Method Is INEFFECTIVE and DANGEROUS: The TRUTH EXPOSED!*

[TheJackedJew]

For a BODYBUILDER who is using steroids to BUILD MUSCLE, the pulsing protocol is INEFFECTIVE!

*MUSCLE GROWTH IS A SIDE-EFFECT!

Pulsing will MINIMIZE SOME side-effects(while INCREASING others), but it will also drastically MINIMIZE MUSCLE GAIN! Muscle-gain is a side-effect of the ANABOLIC/ANDROGENIC effect produced by the partuclar compound or compounds being administered. Although a steroid compound may be ACTIVE several hours after your very first dose, you won't see "GAINS" until many days later!

"Peak BLOOD LEVELS" are never actually reached or sustained using this method, which is HOW Anabolic steroids build muscle!

Anabolic steroids do ALOT more than JUST build muscle! For instance, if one were to use Dianabol for the SOLE purpose of LOWERING CORTISOL, then a "pulse" schedule would suffice to ilicit the desired EFFECT(cortisol reduction) while limiting side-effects--MUSCLE GROWTH being one of them! But for a BODYBUILDER who is using steroids to BUILD MUSCLE, the pulsing protocol is INEFFECTIVE!


But FIRST OF ALL...

Pulsing is NOT a valid method of drug adminstration USED IN THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY.

"Pulsing Corticosteroids" was a method of drug administration ONCE used in the the treatment of Epileptic Siezures. CORTICOSTEROIDS have a life-threatening effect on the brain, and are far more dangerous in high dosages than anabolic steroids are. Therefore, establishing an ACCEPTABLE level of conrtol over the epilepsy while minimizing side-effects was the foremost concern.

For the treatment of severe epilepsy, steroids are usually initiated at the highest acceptable dose per kg on a daily basis, given in the morning. Once seizure control is established, the steroids are gradually reduced and at some stage – as determined by treating specialists – the switch is made to a pulse therapy schedule. The aim is to achieve seizure control with as many days between dosing as possible, and on the lowest dose possible. If a trial to pulse every 3-4 day fails, then the patient may attempt alternate day dosing (still highly preferable to daily dosing). Pulsing every 3-4 days is not always successful but, given the benefits, it is certainly worth trialling. Once control over the episodes were established, dosages would begin to be reduced, as the DESIRED EFFECT had been produced. Again, these corticosteroids are not only dangerous but FATAL in higher dosages. The goal was to ABSOLUTELY MINIMIZE the use of these drugs. With the advent of safer drugs and BETTER protocols, "pulsing" is no longer used.

Using this "pulsing" method with ANABOLIC STEROIDS is not only INEFFECTIVE, but actually COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.

*MUSCLE GROWTH IS A SIDE-EFFECT! Although a steroid compound may be ACTIVE several hours after your very first dose, you won't see "GAINS" until many days later. This "side-effect" of muscle gain is the result of continued use of the ANABOLIC/ANDROGENIC compound.


Steroid blood levels also need to remain STABLE! While using such a PULSE protocol, your blood levels will be CHAOTIC. WIth ANABOLIC ANDROGENIC STEROIDS, this means LESS GAINS and MORE SIDE-EFFECTS!

No offense to "Dr. D", whoever this guy is, but the information presented in some of these threads I have read is just DOWNRIGHT INACCURATE. Furthermore, I felt like I was being "pitched" the entire time on this "pulsing method".

It is NOT EFFECTIVE.

Furthermore, it is POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS based on Dr D's advice to "INCREASE DOSAGES" and run for "LONGER PERIODS OF TIME". This is not ok. All steroids have a THRESHOLD dosage and increasing much beyond that point will ONLY lead to greater side-effects.


Corticosteroids for the Treatment of Landau-Kleffner Syndrome and Continuous Spike-Wave Discharge During Sleep.
Pediatric Neurology, Volume 32, Issue 5, Pages 300-306
D. Sinclair, T. Snyder

1: J Am Acad Dermatol. 2005 Jul;53(1 Suppl 1):S50-8. Links
Corticosteroids: options in the era of steroid-sparing therapy.Del Rosso J, Friedlander SF.
Department of Dermatology, University of Nevada School of Medicine, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA.

1: Eur J Immunol. 1986 Apr;16(4):370-5. Links
Antigen presentation by human monocytes: effects of modifying major histocompatibility complex class II antigen expression and interleukin 1 production by using recombinant interferons and corticosteroids.Rhodes J, Ivanyi J, Cozens P.

 

[TheJackedJew]

Admin & Mods: Please do not delete, please allow DISCUSSION. Just DISCUSSION.

Thanks

Best regards,
The Jacked Jew

 

[neoborn]

Not from BB.com by any chance are you, compared to the friendliness of this board and how easily we all get along, your little rant there really feels like a Mike Mchandlez post or a fibrecarbon post. Maybe you should try staying a while first before burning people?

 

[PumpingIron]

This could get good. I am personally somewhat skeptical of pulsing doses...

 

[Minus83]

I believe when i read Dr. D's pulse method, he mentioned just about everything you did.

it may be "ineffective" in that you dont make the gains you do if you were to do a normal cycle, but the objective of it is to reduce sides, and require no PCT, or less PCT than most cycles.

about the blood levels, i cant remember exactly what Dr. D had to say about it, but i do remember it mentioned, and its probably best that he talk about it himself.

 

[sock]

There is one good point he made - pulsing in the medical community. The only time I have seen dosing schemes with pharmaceuticals with longer dosing periods greater than a day are with compounds with a long half life, and blood plasma concentrations maintained at appropriate levels for efficacy.

 

[poopypants]

i think with a strong enough compound it is possible to make good gains using the pulse protocol but to completely discredit it and say its counterproductive is in my opinion not factual, there wasnt a single quote or reference providing proof in your post saying so. all you did was say what happened if you DONT pulse and then said it wont happen if you do..... not very good way of making a point... to each there own and i could care less as im a cycler not a pulser and think as long as you know your ish and have the basics down (diet, w/o program, good .pc.t.) then youll make better gains and keep more in the end anyhow. my main question is how would one go about determining 'time off" between cycles if your pulsing since the typical time is determined and equal to the length of entire cycle and .Pc.t.?

 

[TeamSavage]

Steroid blood levels also need to remain STABLE! While using such a PULSE protocol, your blood levels will be CHAOTIC. WIth ANABOLIC ANDROGENIC STEROIDS, this means LESS GAINS and MORE SIDE-EFFECTS!

The instability in blood levels is the whole point... that's what, theoretically, prevents shutdown and testicular atrophy. And what's your basis for saying that blood levels of steroids must remain stable to be effective? I'm not saying it's one way or the other (still undecided on the pulse method), but I don't see any reason why an androgen won't still exhibit benefits while in the bloodstream, even if the amount in the bloodstream isn't stable. What's your logic for saying this?

 

[thesinner]

i think with a strong enough compound it is possible to make good gains using the pulse protocol but to completely discredit it and say its counterproductive is in my opinion not factual, there wasnt a single quote or reference providing proof in your post saying so. all you did was say what happened if you DONT pulse and then said it wont happen if you do..... not very good way of making a point...

Not trying to take sides, but is there really any quantifiable data on the pulse method? Before any side can even dream of winning this debate, they're gonna need some numbers to compare pulsing to. Until then, it's just 1 theory versus another, and nothing is going to get accomplished.

 

[CROWLER]

So where does the dangerous part come in that was so clearly placed in the title?


CROWLER

 

[TheJackedJew]

**As for AVOIDING HPTA SHUTDOWN:**

MANY steroids do NOT cause HPTA shutdown. Some steroids will only INHIBIT endogenous testosterone production, and to VARYING DEGREES.

Methandrostenolone(Dianabol), Oxandrolone(Anavar), Methenolone(Primobolan, Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone(Turinabol), Drostanolone(Masteron), Masterolone(Proviron), Fluoxyesterone(Halotestin), and Boldenone(Equipoise) will NOT cause HPTA shutdown. Depending on the individual, testosterone will be supressed to varying degrees.

Dianabol will NOT cause shutdown in ANY NORMAL dosage.

"In this study, done in the early 80´s, a very high dose of Dbol (100mgs/day for 6 weeks) decreased plasma testosterone to about 40% of it´s normal value, plasma GH went up about a third, LH dropped to about 80% of it´s original value, and FSH went down about a third also." A-R Copywritten Profiles.

This Dr. D guy lacks a SERIOUS fundamental understanding of chemistry and physiology, and I would be DELIGHTED to engage in discourse with him.

 

[TheJackedJew]

So where does the dangerous part come in that was so clearly placed in the title?


CROWLER

As I stated in the final paragraph:

It is POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS based on Dr D's advice to "INCREASE DOSAGES" and run for "LONGER PERIODS OF TIME". This is not ok. All steroids have a THRESHOLD dosage and increasing much beyond that point will ONLY lead to greater side-effects.

 

[brass monkey]

It almost sounds like a smear campaign. You sure are dropping Dr. D's name a lot. Who are you and what are you motives.

 

[CROWLER]

As I stated in the final paragraph:

It is POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS based on Dr D's advice to "INCREASE DOSAGES" and run for "LONGER PERIODS OF TIME". This is not ok. All steroids have a THRESHOLD dosage and increasing much beyond that point will ONLY lead to greater side-effects.

And who says what the threshold dosage is?


CROWLER

 

[mmowry]

Well I guess we should tell the guys at our board that have run logs and made nice gains that they were obviously mistaken?And they werent newbies either.

Also running ANYTHING is potentialy dangerous.And welcome to AM the discussion is welcome but as your 1st post it seems kind of odd.

On the pitch thing/Its a bad "marketing scheme" to tell people that they can run 1/2 the product for 2X as long dont you think?

 

[TheJackedJew]

It almost sounds like a smear campaign. You sure are dropping Dr. D's name a lot. Who are you and what are you motives.

Dr. D was the PERSON to propose such a method, so I am adressing him directly.

My intention is to CALL HIM OUT on the BULL****, which I ONLY feel obligated to do seeing the LARGE number of victims he has unfortunately mislead.

It is HE who is running the campaign. I am here to speak up, because I am educated enought to do so.

The guy is wrong.

 

[TheJackedJew]

Just stating the SCIENCE guys, it just doesn't work.

Although it would be GREAT if it did, right?!?

Exactly...

 

[mmowry]

If you want to address him directly (since you obviously want to help to guide him on the correct path) PMs would be a better option.But if were looking for a public spectacle then you have chosen the proper avenue.

 

[TheJackedJew]

If you want to address him directly (since you obviously want to help to guide him on the correct path) PMs would be a better option.But if were looking for a public spectacle then you have chosen the proper avenue.

I am looking to ENLIGHTEN THE PUBLIC.

I chose this forum deliberately.

This NEEDS TO BE ADRESSED.

There are dozens of threads, dozens of individuals who have been affected. If it was JUST HIM who was misguided, a PM would be appropriate. However, he is affecting others.

 

[Minus83]

Methandrostenolone(Dianabol), Oxandrolone(Anavar), Methenolone(Primobolan, Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone(Turinabol), Drostanolone(Masteron), Masterolone(Proviron), Fluoxyesterone(Halotestin), and Boldenone(Equipoise)

I may have missed it, but did Dr. D ever tell anyone to pulse these?

oh and ill just quote this to make sure you see it:

Well I guess we should tell the guys at our board that have run logs and made nice gains that they were obviously mistaken?And they werent newbies either.

 

[CROWLER]

As I stated in the final paragraph:

It is POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS based on Dr D's advice to "INCREASE DOSAGES" and run for "LONGER PERIODS OF TIME". This is not ok. All steroids have a THRESHOLD dosage and increasing much beyond that point will ONLY lead to greater side-effects.

Seeing as how you are new here I thought maybe you missed my question so I submit it again.

And who says what the threshold dosage is? You ae a man of science since I see you have used the word numerous times in your posts so please link me to the studies to back up your words.

Thank you


CROWLER

 

[TheJackedJew]

I may have missed it, but did Dr. D ever tell anyone to pulse these?

oh and ill just quote this to make sure you see it:

I listed those compounds to demonstrate that you do NOT need to "pulse" Dianabol to avoid shutdown! You can run Dianabol at 30mgs ED for 6 weeks, and STILL NOT EXPERIENCE shutdown. In the study I listed above, they used 100mgs ED for 6 weeks with NO SHUTDOWN.

He is just trying to reinvent the wheel.

MANY steroids do NOT cause shutdown..

 

[supersoldier]

MANY steroids do NOT cause shutdown..

:think:

 

[TheJackedJew]

:think:

*Using Anabolic Steroids Without HPTA SHUTDOWN!*

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RESEARCH SHOWS THAT NOT ALL STEROIDS CAUSE SHUTDOWN!


*NO MORE POST-CYCLE CRASH!

*You can now USE CERTAIN STEROIDS DURING PCT! *(Pre-PCT)

*You can now formulate a cycle that will NOT CAUSE SHUTDOWN


Some steroids only REDUCE TESTOSTERONE PRODUCTION(to varying degrees), whereas other steroids will SHUTDOWN the HPTA resulting in a complete cessation of androgen production.


*NOT ALL ANDROGENS CAUSE SHUTDOWN*

"Shutdown", is defined by a COMPLETE inhibition of the Pituitary/Testes, resulting in a TOTAL cessation of endogenous androgen production.

SOME androgens will only SUPPRESS endogenous androgen production, resulting in a DECREASED testosterone level, but not a complete shutdown. (Turinabol, Anavar, Halotestin, Wistrol, Equipoise, Dianabol, Masteron, Primobolan)

Very Androgenic/Progestenic/Estrogenic steroids(Trenbolone, Nandrolone, Anadrol, Testosterone) cause a COMPLETE shutdown of endogenous hormone production.

The distinction between SUPRESSION and SHUTDOWN is utterly important, as steroids that cause LESS supression of endogenous hormones will allow for greater retention of gains upon ending the cycle, and a quicker, easier recovery!


The Following steroids will NOT SHUTDOWN THE HPTA:

Turinabol, Anavar, Proviron, Halotestin, Wistrol, Equipoise, Dianabol, Masteron, Primobolan, Clostebol, and 4-ADiol.


Pre-PCT: PRE-PCT allows the HPTA to begin LH/FSH output, while still receiving additional anabolic support. This is the peroid of time where we utilize a NON-inhibitory steroid while the endogenous testosterone level begins to recover. This occurs PRIOR TO FULL PCT, so that by the time we begin full PCT the HPTA has already began recovering.

Active RECOVERY: The HPTA BEGINS to restore endogenous testosterone production once it detects the body's androgen level beginning to decline(end of cycle).

Therefore, HPTA CAN BEGIN TO RECOVER WHILE STILL IN AN ANABOLIC STATE!


The following drugs can be used during Active Recovery:

Anavar/Proviron= 40mgs/25mgs
Anavar/Masteron= 40mgs/300mgs
Primobolan/Masteron= 300mgs/300mgs
Turinabol/Proviron= 40mgs/25mgs
Turinabol/Masteron= 40mgs/300mgs
Winstrol/Masteron= 50mgs/300mgs
Dianabol/Proviron= 15mgs/25mgs
Dianabol/Masteron= 15mgs/300mgs


Examples...


In a SHORT CYCLE:
Weeks 1-4: Testosterone Propionate, 100mgs ED
Weeks 1-4: Dianabol, 50mgs ED
Weeks 1-4: NPP, 400mgs
Weeks 4-8: **PRE-PCT(ACTIVE RECOVERY)**
Weeks 8-?: **POST CYCLE THERAPY**


A Standard Cycle:
Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 30mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate, 500mgs
Weeks 8-12: Winstrol, 100mgs ED
Weeks 12-16: **PRE-PCT(ACTIVE RECOVERY) **
Weeks 16-26: **POST CYCLE THERAPY**


DO NOT end your cycle ABRUPTLY! Don't just END your cycle cold-turkey! If you are SHUTDOWN, full restoration can take weeks and even MONTHS. Therefore, one should REMAIN ON minimally-inhibitive STEROIDS(HPTA) in an attempt to MAINTAIN the gains they made while ON CYCLE, while STILL BEGINNING TO RECOVER TESTOSTERONE PRODUCTION. On top of that, one still continues to progess from the mild additional anabolic support.

NOT only does it mean that you can run a COMPLETE CYCLE with NO SHUTDOWN whatsoever(as long as the right compounds, dosages, and durations are used), it also means that if you ARE SHUTDOWN from your cycle, you do NOT HAVE TO COME RIGHT OFF CYCLE! Actually, it is BETTER TO STAY ON CYCLE WHILE YOUR ENDOGENOUS TESTOSTERONE LEVEL BEGINS TO INCREASE!


You may also run a cycle that COMPLETELY AVOIDS SHUTDOWN:

Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 40mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Anavar, 50mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Masteron, 100mgs EOD

Or

Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 40mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Primobolan, 500mgs
Weeks 6-14: Turinabol, 60mgs ED


And Many many more! There are tons of NON-inhibitory cycles that you can devise using my my list above for your guideline. Your days of HPTA suffering are over!


By understanding WHICH steroids cause SHUTDOWN and which steroids do NOT, we can formulate a perfect EXTENDED CYCLE.


The Hypothalamus has Androgen, Estrogen, and Progesterone receptors.

Each and EVERY anabolic steroid affects these receptors DIFFERENTLY.

Some steroids affect ALL receptors, while some only affect ONE type of receptor, while others have very little effect on ANY of these receptors.

UNDERSTANDING WHICH steroids affect which receptors, and to WHAT DEGREE, will FULLY enable the steroid user to COMPLETELY and systematically AVOID HPTA SHUTDOWN!

By understanding WHICH steroids cause SHUTDOWN and which steroids do NOT, we can formulate a perfect EXTENDED CYCLE.

Steroids that cause an OVERSATURATION(too many receptors activated) of these various hormone receptors, WILL CAUSE SHUTDOWN.

Steroids that DO NOT CAUSE an OVERSATURATION of ANY of these various hormone receptors, will NOT cause SHUTDOWN!

The Following drugs either DIRECTLY or INDIRECTLY activate ESTROGEN receptors, to varying degrees:

Testosterone
Methandrostenolone
Mathandriol
Oxymetholone
Nandrolone
Boldenone

The Following drugs either DIRECTLY or INDIRECTLY activate PROGESTERONE receptors, to varying degrees:

Nandrolone
Trenbolone
Oxymetholone

The Following drugs activate Androgen receptors, to varying degrees:

Testosterone
Methandrostenolone
Mathandriol
Oxymetholone
Nandrolone
Boldenone
Trenbolone
Halotestin
Oxandrolone
Stanzolol
Chlorodehydromethltestosterone
Methyltestosterone
Methenolone...
(ALL AAS*)

As we can see, the steroids that cause HPTA SHUTDOWN either OVERSATURATE ONE SPECIFIC receptor, or they activate too many TOTAL receptors(Androgen/Estrogen/Progesterone)

For instance, Trenbolone causes HPTA SHUTDOWN because it OVERSATURATES BOTH, the ANDROGEN and the PROGESTERONE receptors.

Testosterone causes SHUTDOWN because it converts to ESTROGEN and DHT, therefore, it oversaturates the Androgen/Estrogen receptors.

As we can ALSO SEE, the steroids that DO NOT cause SHUTDOWN of the HPTA, do NOT oversaturate ANY of the different hormone receptors, and thus, do NOT cause SHUTDOWN.

Methenolone(Primobolan) does not possess ANY Estrogenic or Progestational ACTIVITY WHATSOEVER. It does, by virtue of being an anabolic steroid, posses a SMALL Androgenic component. Because it lacks ANY ESTROGENIC/PROGESTATIONAL component, and it lacks a strong Androgenic component, it WILL NOT CAUSE SHUTDOWN!

Oxandrolone(Anavar) posseses NO Estrogenic/Progestational component either. AND, it also lacks a strong androgenic component. Thus, Anavar will NOT cause shutdown.


By understanding WHICH steroids cause SHUTDOWN and which steroids do NOT, we can formulate a perfect EXTENDED CYCLE.

*It must also be noted, that ANY steroid in LARGE enough DOSAGES for long enough DURATIONS, can cause SHUTDOWN of the HPTA.


NOT ALL ANDROGENS CAUSE SHUTDOWN*

"Shutdown", is defined by a COMPLETE inhibition of the Pituitary/Testes, resulting in a TOTAL cessation of endogenous androgen production.

SOME androgens will only SUPPRESS endogenous androgen production, resulting in a DECREASED testosterone level, but not a complete shutdown. (Tbol, Var, Wistrol, EQ, Dianabol, masteron, proviron, halo, primo)

Very Androgenic/Progestenic/Estrogenic steroids(Tren, Deca, Drol, Test) cause a COMPLETE shutdown of endogenous hormone production.

The distinction between SUPRESSION and SHUTDOWN is utterly important, as steroids that cause LESS supression of endogenous hormones will allow for greater retention of gains upon ending the cycle, and a quicker, easier PCT.
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Horm Metab Res. 1984 Sep;16(9):492-7.Related Articles, Links

Effect of non aromatizable androgens on LHRH and TRH responses in primary testicular failure.

Spitz IM, Margalioth EJ, Yeger Y, Livshin Y, Zylber-Haran E, Shilo S.

We have assessed the gonadotropin, TSH and PRL responses to the non aromatizable androgens, mesterolone and fluoxymestrone, in 27 patients with primary testicular failure. All patients were given a bolus of LHRH (100 micrograms) and TRH (200 micrograms) at zero time. Nine subjects received a further bolus of TRH at 30 mins. The latter were then given mesterolone 150 mg daily for 6 weeks. The remaining subjects received fluoxymesterone 5 mg daily for 4 weeks and 10 mg daily for 2 weeks. On the last day of the androgen administration, the subjects were re-challenged with LHRH and TRH according to the identical protocol. When compared to controls, the patients had normal circulating levels of testosterone, estradiol, PRL and thyroid hormones. However, basal LH, FSH and TSH levels, as well as gonadotropin responses to LHRH and TSH and PRL responses to TRH, were increased. Mesterolone administration produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL. There was, however, a reduction in the integrated and incremental TSH secretion after TRH. Fluoxymesterone administration was accompanied by a reduction in thyroid binding globulin (with associated decreases in T3 and increases in T3 resin uptake). The free T4 index was unaltered, which implies that thyroid function was unchanged. In addition, during fluoxymesterone administration, there was a reduction in testosterone, gonadotropins and LH response to LHRH. Basal TSH did not vary, but there was a reduction in the peak and integrated TSH response to TRH. PRL levels were unaltered during fluoxymesterone treatment.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS

 

[mmowry]

Nice post I must say but most know that different compounds cause varying degrees of supression.Tren and M1T made my boys tighten up and caused atrophy in a few days.Epistane took 2 wks for any signs of atrophy to start for example.

 

[TheJackedJew]

Seeing as how you are new here I thought maybe you missed my question so I submit it again.

And who says what the threshold dosage is? You ae a man of science since I see you have used the word numerous times in your posts so please link me to the studies to back up your words.

Thank you


CROWLER

Let me make this easy to understand...

Armidex and Aromasin are both potent aromatase inhibitors.

Armidex requires only .25-1mg per dosage to be effective. Aromasin requires 12-24mgs per dosage to be effective. Does this mean that Armidex is LESS effective than Aromasin? NO..

Actually, at the THRESHOLD dosage(12-24mgs) Aromasin is MORE effective than arimidex at inhibiting the aromatase enzyme.

So although over 10 times as much Aromasin is needed to ilicit the same or greater effect as arimidex, it is still SUPERIOR to arimidex when used at the threshold dosage.

Likewise, increasing the dosage beyond threshold will produce LITTLE if any additional effect.

I hope I am being helpful, I am only here to help and share. All good bro's in my book.

 

[Jayhawkk]

Make sure we keep this in the realms of discussion. Questioning Dr. D's method is quite fine and in doing so may even benefit everyone in the longrun but we can do this from both sides without mud slinging and capitalizing every other word for emphasis

 

[cgcrz8]

Pulsing is used by all sorts of meds especially toxic antibiotics. The point is right on- to reduce toxic sides. When you pulse, you take a BIGGER DOSE (more than you would if you were on a cycle) to reach the minimum effective concentration of the drug to have effects (so if you were doing this with epi or some other PH, you would know if you reached miniumum effective conentrations by strength gains, muscle growth). Remember, toxicity is dose and duration.

I'm actually a fan of pulsing. My **** works and my balls aren't small and I'm gaining muscle (even though it's not as much as a constant cycle).

 

[CROWLER]

Ross it seems you get your threads locked and you get banned everywhere you go.

Why are you recommending oral only cycle sto beginners


**Using Steroids Without HPTA SHUTDOWN: Extended Cycles And Steroids for PCT!** - INTENSE TRAINING


ULTIMATE Newbie CYCLES! - Anabolic Steroids - Steroid.com / Anabolic Review Forums


CROWLER

 

[CROWLER]

Pulsing is used by all sorts of meds especially toxic antibiotics. The point is right on- to reduce toxic sides. When you pulse, you take a BIGGER DOSE (more than you would if you were on a cycle) to reach the minimum effective concentration of the drug to have effects (so if you were doing this with epi or some other PH, you would know if you reached miniumum effective conentrations by strength gains, muscle growth). Remember, toxicity is dose and duration.

I'm actually a fan of pulsing. My **** works and my balls aren't small and I'm gaining muscle (even though it's not as much as a constant cycle).

Ross this completely discredits what you said in your first post about NO place in medicine do they pulse dose


Also I am still waiting for your link to the proof of what is a safe dose of Steroids. I am on here quite a bit so no rush


CROWLER

 

[cgcrz8]

JackedJew (like the name by the way), it's also has to do with the pharmacokinetics of the drugs:
-efficacy and potency
-whether it's a competitive or non-competative inhibitor
-route of administration
-reversible vs irreversible
-elimination/metabolism

 

[john123131]

Dr. D was the PERSON to propose such a method, so I am adressing him directly.

My intention is to CALL HIM OUT on the BULL****, which I ONLY feel obligated to do seeing the LARGE number of victims he has unfortunately mislead.

It is HE who is running the campaign. I am here to speak up, because I am educated enought to do so.

The guy is wrong.

This is a classless post and the thread lacks even more class. If you have an issue with the pulsing method or D, you could easily contact him in various ways.
Honestly the way things have been delt with lately are really getting old. Publicly bashing or "calling out" people and companies on a board is a increasing trend lately and is not good for anyone. I am no longer getting involved in this as it only fuels the fire.

best to everyone,
john

 

[TheJackedJew]

JackedJew (like the name by the way), it's also has to do with the pharmacokinetics of the drugs:
-efficacy and potency
-whether it's a competitive or non-competative inhibitor
-route of administration
-reversible vs irreversible
-elimination/metabolism

Try pulsing your Prozac. Or better yet, your XANAX.

:head: :head:

 

[TheJackedJew]

This is a classless post and the thread lacks even more class. If you have an issue with the pulsing method or D, you could easily contact him in various ways.
Honestly the way things have been delt with lately are really getting old. Publicly bashing or "calling out" people and companies on a board is a increasing trend lately and is not good for anyone. I am no longer getting involved in this as it only fuels the fire.

best to everyone,
john

I JOINED THIS FORUM SOLEY TO DISCREDIT THIS RIDICULOUS "PULSING" METHOD!

This is the ONLY reason I joined.

I came here looking, and was SHOCKED at what I found...

SUPPLEMENT INDUSTRY HAS NOT CHANGED!! It's allllllll about money!

 

[jomi822]

I have actually brought up the "pulsing is dangerous" arugment with Dr. D in another thread. He very agressively and condescendingly rebuked me.

heres the deal. IBE knows that the main concerns with your common 18 -25 year old steroid beginnier are

1. gyno
2. testicle shrinkage (shutdown/inhibition)
3. lack of libido.

Havoc/epi seems to be perfectly safe in regards to libido and gyno. It even seems to increase libido and shrink gyno, according to most logs.

All steroids inhibit the HPTA. Epistane is no exception. this would absolutely dissuade the on the fence potential steroid user.

Dr. D has provided a method of use that requires no PCT, very little side effects, and very decent strength and weight gain. Almost too good to be true.

Well, it almost precisely is too good to be true. I will concede that epistane seems to be an extremly safe steroid with a great side effect and effect profile, and it doesnt cause extreme inhibition. But it does cause inhibition.

Even if you "pulse" the compound you are still introducing exogenous androgens into your system. It is going to have an inhibitory effect. Arguably even with the smallest dosage.

Using epistane even for these short "pulsing" cycles will cause inhibition to some degree. Inhibition requires PCT, i dont care how minor it is.

To say otherwise is just unsafe. In IBE's defense, i dont believe anyone using the pusling method will come under too much harm. They would simply be much better off if they ran a PCT.

 

[CROWLER]

Here is another classic by you Ross

DBOL alone for TEN weeks


Or further down 2 orals at a time

Nice going


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[TheJackedJew]

Make sure we keep this in the realms of discussion. Questioning Dr. D's method is quite fine and in doing so may even benefit everyone in the longrun but we can do this from both sides without mud slinging and capitalizing every other word for emphasis

Well said Jayhawk.

 

[TheJackedJew]

Isn't it funny...

Rather than DISPROVING ME, you try to DISCREDIT ME.

 

[jomi822]

i understand my above post will not be taken well. but consider the fact that TheJackedJew might be correct.

I firmly believe "pulsing"any steroid is unsafe. Building and maintaining a stable hormone level is what minimizes side effects and maximizes strenth and weight gains, not instantly spiking hormone levels and letting it roller coaster back down.

Id ask that people simply consider the points in this thread before becoming defensive.

 

[cgcrz8]

You wouln't take xanax continuously...so I guess you could call it "pulsing." It's a lot less dangerous than alcohol and since it's a benzo there is NO CHANCE of respiratory depression, death, or coma.

 

[CROWLER]

Ross,

You state you started this thread because you are so concerned about everyones safety.

How are you looking out for people's safety when you suggest injecting test into the testicals?

Or where you running deca and tren together with 10weeks of dbol?


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[supersoldier]

I have actually brought up the "pulsing is dangerous" arugment with Dr. D in another thread. He very agressively and condescendingly rebuked me.

heres the deal. IBE knows that the main concerns with your common 18 -25 year old steroid beginnier are

1. gyno
2. testicle shrinkage (shutdown/inhibition)
3. lack of libido.

Havoc/epi seems to be perfectly safe in regards to libido and gyno. It even seems to increase libido and shrink gyno, according to most logs.

All steroids inhibit the HPTA. Epistane is no exception. this would absolutely dissuade the on the fence potential steroid user.

Dr. D has provided a method of use that requires no post cycle therapy, very little side effects, and very decent strength and weight gain. Almost too good to be true.

Well, it almost precisely is too good to be true. I will concede that epistane seems to be an extremly safe steroid with a great side effect and effect profile, and it doesnt cause extreme inhibition. But it does cause inhibition.

Even if you "pulse" the compound you are still introducing exogenous androgens into your system. It is going to have an inhibitory effect. Arguably even with the smallest dosage.

Using epistane even for these short "pulsing" cycles will cause inhibition to some degree. Inhibition requires post cycle therapy, i dont care how minor it is.

To say otherwise is just unsafe. In IBE's defense, i dont believe anyone using the pusling method will come under too much harm. They would simply be much better off if they ran a PCT.

Like mmowry said you go through half as much Epi with Dr.D's pulsing methods than a regular cycle. Then little or no PCT, where he reccomends what ATD or something... :think: (where normal PCT requires SERM, which coincidently most of us are getting "for research purposes only, not intended for human use"<-----and are largely bought from one well known place).

I'm not advocating the pulsing method, in fact I haven't read too much into it because I know how to cycle. But I'm just reinforcing that Dr.D's advice about the pulsing is hardly beneficial for IBE.

 

[TheJackedJew]

I have actually brought up the "pulsing is dangerous" arugment with Dr. D in another thread. He very agressively and condescendingly rebuked me.

heres the deal. IBE knows that the main concerns with your common 18 -25 year old steroid beginnier are

1. gyno
2. testicle shrinkage (shutdown/inhibition)
3. lack of libido.

Havoc/epi seems to be perfectly safe in regards to libido and gyno. It even seems to increase libido and shrink gyno, according to most logs.

All steroids inhibit the HPTA. Epistane is no exception. this would absolutely dissuade the on the fence potential steroid user.

Dr. D has provided a method of use that requires no post cycle therapy, very little side effects, and very decent strength and weight gain. Almost too good to be true.

Well, it almost precisely is too good to be true. I will concede that epistane seems to be an extremly safe steroid with a great side effect and effect profile, and it doesnt cause extreme inhibition. But it does cause inhibition.

Even if you "pulse" the compound you are still introducing exogenous androgens into your system. It is going to have an inhibitory effect. Arguably even with the smallest dosage.

Using epistane even for these short "pulsing" cycles will cause inhibition to some degree. Inhibition requires PCT, i dont care how minor it is.

To say otherwise is just unsafe. In IBE's defense, i dont believe anyone using the pusling method will come under too much harm. They would simply be much better off if they ran a PCT.

Pretty well said.

 

[TheJackedJew]

Ross,

You state you started this thread because you are so concerned about everyones safety.

How are you looking out for people's safety when you suggest injecting test into the testicals?

Or where you running deca and tren together with 10weeks of dbol?


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Bye Ross.

 

[supersoldier]

That was quick! :banned:

 

[cgcrz8]

Whoa! what happened!

 

[CROWLER]

Thank you mods.

I had never heard of Jacked Jew or TheMindofRoss before this thread.

Then I did a quick internet search turns out he has been banned at 4 other forums for dispensing dangerous advice.

Hmmmmmmmmm I LOVE the internet


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MOD EDIT: He was banned simply because he's been banned 3 other times here. By all means, continue the discussion.

 

[jomi822]

yikes

 

[Jayhawkk]

Lordy lordy.

 

[haroldjg]

Dr. D was the PERSON to propose such a method, so I am adressing him directly.

My intention is to CALL HIM OUT on the BULL****, which I ONLY feel obligated to do seeing the LARGE number of victims he has unfortunately mislead.

It is HE who is running the campaign. I am here to speak up, because I am educated enought to do so.

The guy is wrong.

You know what. I am pretty sure you are a complete moron. Have you ever talked to someone who has tried pulsing? Have you ever pulsed yourself? Well, I have personally tried pulsing. Put 100lbs on my bench in 3 months. Put on 15 lbs of completely maintaineable weight. Dropped about 3 % of my bodyfat. Very, very, minor negative sides. And basically zero HPTA shutdown. In fact, I am fairly well convinced it actually raised my endogeneous test production. And as for calling Dr.D out. He has prolly given the most help to people on this board. I personally would vouch for Dr.D anyday. Who are you? You have zero cred here, so why dont you actually give some good advice. Build some cred. And then maybe, if you manage to accomplish this. Come back before attacking Dr.D.

Edit: Wow in the time I opened this up to respond to this guy, he was banned. AM mods are the best on the internet.