*The Pulsing Method Is INEFFECTIVE and DANGEROUS: The TRUTH EXPOSED!*

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  1. JackedJew (like the name by the way), it's also has to do with the pharmacokinetics of the drugs:
    -efficacy and potency
    -whether it's a competitive or non-competative inhibitor
    -route of administration
    -reversible vs irreversible
    -elimination/metabolism
    Last edited by cgcrz8; 04-10-2007 at 09:14 PM. Reason: -


  2. Quote Originally Posted by TheJackedJew View Post
    Dr. D was the PERSON to propose such a method, so I am adressing him directly.

    My intention is to CALL HIM OUT on the BULL****, which I ONLY feel obligated to do seeing the LARGE number of victims he has unfortunately mislead.

    It is HE who is running the campaign. I am here to speak up, because I am educated enought to do so.

    The guy is wrong.
    This is a classless post and the thread lacks even more class. If you have an issue with the pulsing method or D, you could easily contact him in various ways.
    Honestly the way things have been delt with lately are really getting old. Publicly bashing or "calling out" people and companies on a board is a increasing trend lately and is not good for anyone. I am no longer getting involved in this as it only fuels the fire.

    best to everyone,
    john
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by cgcrz8 View Post
    JackedJew (like the name by the way), it's also has to do with the pharmacokinetics of the drugs:
    -efficacy and potency
    -whether it's a competitive or non-competative inhibitor
    -route of administration
    -reversible vs irreversible
    -elimination/metabolism
    Try pulsing your Prozac. Or better yet, your XANAX.


  4. Quote Originally Posted by john123131 View Post
    This is a classless post and the thread lacks even more class. If you have an issue with the pulsing method or D, you could easily contact him in various ways.
    Honestly the way things have been delt with lately are really getting old. Publicly bashing or "calling out" people and companies on a board is a increasing trend lately and is not good for anyone. I am no longer getting involved in this as it only fuels the fire.

    best to everyone,
    john

    I JOINED THIS FORUM SOLEY TO DISCREDIT THIS RIDICULOUS "PULSING" METHOD!

    This is the ONLY reason I joined.

    I came here looking, and was SHOCKED at what I found...

    SUPPLEMENT INDUSTRY HAS NOT CHANGED!! It's allllllll about money!

  5. I have actually brought up the "pulsing is dangerous" arugment with Dr. D in another thread. He very agressively and condescendingly rebuked me.

    heres the deal. IBE knows that the main concerns with your common 18 -25 year old steroid beginnier are

    1. gyno
    2. testicle shrinkage (shutdown/inhibition)
    3. lack of libido.

    Havoc/epi seems to be perfectly safe in regards to libido and gyno. It even seems to increase libido and shrink gyno, according to most logs.

    All steroids inhibit the HPTA. Epistane is no exception. this would absolutely dissuade the on the fence potential steroid user.

    Dr. D has provided a method of use that requires no PCT, very little side effects, and very decent strength and weight gain. Almost too good to be true.

    Well, it almost precisely is too good to be true. I will concede that epistane seems to be an extremly safe steroid with a great side effect and effect profile, and it doesnt cause extreme inhibition. But it does cause inhibition.

    Even if you "pulse" the compound you are still introducing exogenous androgens into your system. It is going to have an inhibitory effect. Arguably even with the smallest dosage.

    Using epistane even for these short "pulsing" cycles will cause inhibition to some degree. Inhibition requires PCT, i dont care how minor it is.

    To say otherwise is just unsafe. In IBE's defense, i dont believe anyone using the pusling method will come under too much harm. They would simply be much better off if they ran a PCT.
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  6. Here is another classic by you Ross

    DBOL alone for TEN weeks


    Or further down 2 orals at a time

    Nice going


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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    Make sure we keep this in the realms of discussion. Questioning Dr. D's method is quite fine and in doing so may even benefit everyone in the longrun but we can do this from both sides without mud slinging and capitalizing every other word for emphasis
    Well said Jayhawk.

  8. Isn't it funny...

    Rather than DISPROVING ME, you try to DISCREDIT ME.

  9. i understand my above post will not be taken well. but consider the fact that TheJackedJew might be correct.

    I firmly believe "pulsing"any steroid is unsafe. Building and maintaining a stable hormone level is what minimizes side effects and maximizes strenth and weight gains, not instantly spiking hormone levels and letting it roller coaster back down.

    Id ask that people simply consider the points in this thread before becoming defensive.

  10. You wouln't take xanax continuously...so I guess you could call it "pulsing." It's a lot less dangerous than alcohol and since it's a benzo there is NO CHANCE of respiratory depression, death, or coma.

  11. Ross,

    You state you started this thread because you are so concerned about everyones safety.

    How are you looking out for people's safety when you suggest injecting test into the testicals?

    Or where you running deca and tren together with 10weeks of dbol?


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  12. Quote Originally Posted by jomi822 View Post
    I have actually brought up the "pulsing is dangerous" arugment with Dr. D in another thread. He very agressively and condescendingly rebuked me.

    heres the deal. IBE knows that the main concerns with your common 18 -25 year old steroid beginnier are

    1. gyno
    2. testicle shrinkage (shutdown/inhibition)
    3. lack of libido.

    Havoc/epi seems to be perfectly safe in regards to libido and gyno. It even seems to increase libido and shrink gyno, according to most logs.

    All steroids inhibit the HPTA. Epistane is no exception. this would absolutely dissuade the on the fence potential steroid user.

    Dr. D has provided a method of use that requires no post cycle therapy, very little side effects, and very decent strength and weight gain. Almost too good to be true.

    Well, it almost precisely is too good to be true. I will concede that epistane seems to be an extremly safe steroid with a great side effect and effect profile, and it doesnt cause extreme inhibition. But it does cause inhibition.

    Even if you "pulse" the compound you are still introducing exogenous androgens into your system. It is going to have an inhibitory effect. Arguably even with the smallest dosage.

    Using epistane even for these short "pulsing" cycles will cause inhibition to some degree. Inhibition requires post cycle therapy, i dont care how minor it is.

    To say otherwise is just unsafe. In IBE's defense, i dont believe anyone using the pusling method will come under too much harm. They would simply be much better off if they ran a PCT.
    Like mmowry said you go through half as much Epi with Dr.D's pulsing methods than a regular cycle. Then little or no PCT, where he reccomends what ATD or something... (where normal PCT requires SERM, which coincidently most of us are getting "for research purposes only, not intended for human use"<-----and are largely bought from one well known place).

    I'm not advocating the pulsing method, in fact I haven't read too much into it because I know how to cycle. But I'm just reinforcing that Dr.D's advice about the pulsing is hardly beneficial for IBE.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by jomi822 View Post
    I have actually brought up the "pulsing is dangerous" arugment with Dr. D in another thread. He very agressively and condescendingly rebuked me.

    heres the deal. IBE knows that the main concerns with your common 18 -25 year old steroid beginnier are

    1. gyno
    2. testicle shrinkage (shutdown/inhibition)
    3. lack of libido.

    Havoc/epi seems to be perfectly safe in regards to libido and gyno. It even seems to increase libido and shrink gyno, according to most logs.

    All steroids inhibit the HPTA. Epistane is no exception. this would absolutely dissuade the on the fence potential steroid user.

    Dr. D has provided a method of use that requires no post cycle therapy, very little side effects, and very decent strength and weight gain. Almost too good to be true.

    Well, it almost precisely is too good to be true. I will concede that epistane seems to be an extremly safe steroid with a great side effect and effect profile, and it doesnt cause extreme inhibition. But it does cause inhibition.

    Even if you "pulse" the compound you are still introducing exogenous androgens into your system. It is going to have an inhibitory effect. Arguably even with the smallest dosage.

    Using epistane even for these short "pulsing" cycles will cause inhibition to some degree. Inhibition requires PCT, i dont care how minor it is.

    To say otherwise is just unsafe. In IBE's defense, i dont believe anyone using the pusling method will come under too much harm. They would simply be much better off if they ran a PCT.
    Pretty well said.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER View Post
    Ross,

    You state you started this thread because you are so concerned about everyones safety.

    How are you looking out for people's safety when you suggest injecting test into the testicals?

    Or where you running deca and tren together with 10weeks of dbol?


    CROWLER
    Bye Ross.

  15. That was quick!

  16. Whoa! what happened!

  17. Thank you mods.

    I had never heard of Jacked Jew or TheMindofRoss before this thread.

    Then I did a quick internet search turns out he has been banned at 4 other forums for dispensing dangerous advice.

    Hmmmmmmmmm I LOVE the internet


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    MOD EDIT: He was banned simply because he's been banned 3 other times here. By all means, continue the discussion.
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  18. yikes

  19. Lordy lordy.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by TheJackedJew View Post
    Dr. D was the PERSON to propose such a method, so I am adressing him directly.

    My intention is to CALL HIM OUT on the BULL****, which I ONLY feel obligated to do seeing the LARGE number of victims he has unfortunately mislead.

    It is HE who is running the campaign. I am here to speak up, because I am educated enought to do so.

    The guy is wrong.
    You know what. I am pretty sure you are a complete moron. Have you ever talked to someone who has tried pulsing? Have you ever pulsed yourself? Well, I have personally tried pulsing. Put 100lbs on my bench in 3 months. Put on 15 lbs of completely maintaineable weight. Dropped about 3 % of my bodyfat. Very, very, minor negative sides. And basically zero HPTA shutdown. In fact, I am fairly well convinced it actually raised my endogeneous test production. And as for calling Dr.D out. He has prolly given the most help to people on this board. I personally would vouch for Dr.D anyday. Who are you? You have zero cred here, so why dont you actually give some good advice. Build some cred. And then maybe, if you manage to accomplish this. Come back before attacking Dr.D.

    Edit: Wow in the time I opened this up to respond to this guy, he was banned. AM mods are the best on the internet.
    Last edited by haroldjg; 04-10-2007 at 10:05 PM. Reason: Too late.

  21. Jeez. How did I know it was that Ross clown just from the title alone?

    That kid is gonna end up in jail soon if he isn't careful, too. He does some really stupid stuff around his area and isn't too slick about it. Just an FYI so nobody gets drawn into his BS.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John View Post
    HPTA serves the hypothalamus, NOT the pituitary.
    This was classic as it came shortly after he said he was here refuting the pulse method only because he was educated enough to do so.

    He was soooooo educated that he, in fact, wasn't aware that there is a reason the hypothalamus is a) the first part of the acronym HPTA, b) referred to as the "master gland" (well, it is now that researchers have discovered the pituitary isn't), which works through the pituitary, not vice versa.

    That's one of the biggest points made in physiology 101. LOL.

  23. I hope that the absence of ANY Dr. D posts is that he wont justify this stupidity with a rebuttal....this BB.com clown needs to go back to his home where idiocy is accepted....

  24. lol, why did i see that comin from his opening post?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    Not trying to take sides, but is there really any quantifiable data on the pulse method? Before any side can even dream of winning this debate, they're gonna need some numbers to compare pulsing to. Until then, it's just 1 theory versus another, and nothing is going to get accomplished.
    not a whole ton of data but good logs from good members as well as the fact im sure the Doc wouldnt advocate the use of this if it were harmeful and def wouldnt be doin it for "money" since it would require less of the same product used along a longer period of time and the lack of needin a serm sold by the same sister company whos supp this protocol was initially designed for..... i just was saying he had a bad way of getting his point across and it quickly turned from "helping the people" to "the whole point is discrediting and calling out D".... shmuck sounds like hes got freinds whoes names are usually referred to with 2 lettes...... ill let you guys figure that one out.

  26. Dont know which mod banned that A hole but THANK YOU!

  27. Bobo probably took the liberty himself.

    There are few trolls that Bobo hates with a passion. Ross is probably #1 on the list.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by jomi822 View Post
    I have actually brought up the "pulsing is dangerous" arugment with Dr. D in another thread. He very agressively and condescendingly rebuked me. ...
    If that is the case, then I apologies j. If I have ever seemed condescending, I'm truly sorry because it was not my intent. I pray for three things daily: strength, wisdom and humility, but I never said I was perfect. I'll fight back and defend when cornered just like anybody else might. As I remember, you suggested pulsing was a marketing ploy, which makes inverse sense if you really think about it and you just seemed to be responding negatively for no good reason, but it is designed to save livers for starters which will stretch the life of legal methyl as long as we could hope for in the end. Too many guys yo-yo'ed SD and had issues it seems. I am not thinking about sales. I am promoting a healthier than average way to achieve attenuated, yet impressive gains with greatly reduced HPTA detriment. That's all.

    It seems I have may detractors these days, but I sincerely thank all those that have come to truly know me and I have been blessed enough to develop friendships with here and elsewhere.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    If that is the case, then I apologies j. If I have ever seemed condescending, I'm truly sorry because it was not my intent. I pray for three things daily: strength, wisdom and humility, but I never said I was perfect. I'll fight back and defend when cornered just like anybody else might. As I remember, you suggested pulsing was a marketing ploy, which makes inverse sense if you really think about it and you just seemed to be responding negatively for no good reason, but it is designed to save livers for starters which will stretch the life of legal methyl as long as we could hope for in the end. Too many guys yo-yo'ed superdrol and had issues it seems. I am not thinking about sales. I am promoting a healthier than average way to achieve attenuated, yet impressive gains with greatly reduced HPTA detriment. That's all.

    It seems I have may detractors these days, but I sincerely thank all those that have come to truly know me and I have been blessed enough to develop friendships with here and elsewhere.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DR.D again.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00 View Post
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DR.D again.
    You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.
    I've been called a rep whore before. You da man though Dr.D!
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