Havoc...ramp up or down?

  1. Havoc...ramp up or down?


    I got my Havoc in yesterday and I'm confused on whether I should start out at 3 caps and end with 1 or start out with one and end with 3. I was thinking I should ramp down to avoid estrogen rebound. I'm not sure if estrogen rebound is an issue though.


  2. It is best to start with 10mg for at least the first few days. You can increase from there.
    The way I dose mine is 20mg on Non-workout days and 30mg on Wo-days. My last week I plan on doing 30mg on Non and 40mg on Wo-days.

  3. up.....start 10..then up to by 10 per week untill 30/40 max
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  4. you STILL need PCT....

  5. Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    you STILL need post cycle therapy....
    Yes, no matter how you dose it you will need PCT. Good Call

  6. Quote Originally Posted by hill5673 View Post
    Yes, no matter how you dose it you will need post cycle therapy. Good Call
    Yes, I know this. I just was trying to decide on using an AI with my Torem since Havoc is already an anti-e then I would think that a SERM would fine.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    Yes, I know this. I just was trying to decide on using an AI with my Torem since Havoc is already an anti-e then I would think that a SERM would fine.
    Personally, I am going to do Toremifene along with Restore for my PCT. That should cover cortisol as well. From what I've read the AI in Restore is fairly mild in comparison to some others.
  

  
 

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