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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    In other news I find amusing, IDS is putting out a new lame product. Sostonol 250 - supposed to be h50 50mg, superdrol 10mg, pp 10mg then they tossed in some DHB, Buplerum, and Hoelen to inhibit CYP/P-450. WOW, how low will you go to make a buck. I'm all for designers. But all these guys do is combine other peoples stuff or up the dosage lol. No bargain either...
    for the record, IDS DID come out with 17aa-stenbolone in Mass Tabs, which appears to be a winner. they remain the only company who's released that one.

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    i say to IDS this
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    Quote Originally Posted by same_old View Post
    for the record, IDS DID come out with 17aa-stenbolone in Mass Tabs, which appears to be a winner. they remain the only company who's released that one.
    I'd have to see logs from respected, experienced folks before I'd buy this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmh80 View Post
    I'd have to see logs from respected, experienced folks before I'd buy this.
    regardless, it is a novel steroid product that they alone released.
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    what is everyone's feeling about the effect of Oxyguno on libido?

    I know it is not very androgenic but neither is Epi and it seems to boost libido (at least in other's reports).......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50 View Post
    what is everyone's feeling about the effect of Oxyguno on libido?

    I know it is not very androgenic but neither is Epi and it seems to boost libido (at least in other's reports).......

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    You should start taking it and let us know . I havent really heard anyone comment on libido. The androgenic potency of it seems pretty low as you mention so in theory it would not do much to support libido, but a lot of people seem to think that the vida book might have had a typo or something concerning the andro/anabolic ratio because it is so crazy. Who knows....

    Either way, I am really interested in seeing some logs/feedback on this compound. Hope somebody gives it a whirl soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by testosteronet View Post
    in the making for me...I hope to boost my popularity on here by running an oxyguno log...ha...by the way...havoc's been GREAT on libido with me...
    We'll all still not like ya very much...but guinea pigs are good for something i guess....
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    Quote Originally Posted by natiels View Post
    You should start taking it and let us know . I havent really heard anyone comment on libido. The androgenic potency of it seems pretty low as you mention so in theory it would not do much to support libido, but a lot of people seem to think that the vida book might have had a typo or something concerning the andro/anabolic ratio because it is so crazy. Who knows....

    Either way, I am really interested in seeing some logs/feedback on this compound. Hope somebody gives it a whirl soon.
    I am wondering if the vida book is wrong to because this stuff sounds almost to good to be true. I mean if it even comes close to what is advertised than holy **** we got a hell of a product here. I am debating whether i should run this stuff instead of a halodrol/prostanazol cycle in order to some lean mass and harden up. I am hearing that oxy is supposed to be like anavar....any truth to this cuz if so then i will be looking to get a couple of bottles.
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    But i'm hungarian...


    Haha...I actually would, but I'm planning on a few other things...I'll keep an eye on ya though..
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    Quote Originally Posted by natiels View Post
    You should start taking it and let us know . I havent really heard anyone comment on libido. The androgenic potency of it seems pretty low as you mention so in theory it would not do much to support libido, but a lot of people seem to think that the vida book might have had a typo or something concerning the andro/anabolic ratio because it is so crazy. Who knows....

    Either way, I am really interested in seeing some logs/feedback on this compound. Hope somebody gives it a whirl soon.
    well, androgenicity isnt always equal to libido support. look at tren - VERY androgenic but kills libido. and superdrol has very little androgenicity but for most users, doesnt cause much libido loss. ditto for anavar.

    i actually experienced IMPROVED libido when using 20mg tbol first thing in the AM as part of a quasi-bridge...the improvement disappeared when i discontinued use (which suggests the tbol was not only suppressing me, but also supporting libido)

    i have my hopes up about oxyguno! (not that it'll matter, i wont run it w/o test, but still)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50 View Post
    what is everyone's feeling about the effect of Oxyguno on libido?

    I know it is not very androgenic but neither is Epi and it seems to boost libido (at least in other's reports).......

    Mr.50
    Epistane is still pretty damn androgenic. I didn't get acne or anything but my hair thinned as much or more than with PP. I definately wouldn't consider it "low" on the androgenic scale. What makes it unique is how high its anabolic profile is. All things considered, it still has extremely low overall sides.

    Epistane is like 93% / ~1100% (93% depending on who you ask, I've also heard its more like 97%)
    (93% as androgenic and 1100% as anabolic as MethylTest.)
    Oxyguno: 6% / 700%
    Dbol: 50% / 150%
    Anadrol: 45% / 330%
    Anavar: 25% / 500%

    I dont know where people get that epistane is "not very androgenic." It's still quite potent. Superdrol is less androgenic than PP. But I still wouldn't even consider it "low" on the androgenic scale. If it was, we wouldn't see the explosive gains that we do.

    You can see where Oxyguno starts to look appealing when compared to Anavar.... very appealing. That is, if its 100% whats its "supposed" to be. Black market Anavar is insanely overpriced. Nobody wants to publicly post analysis anymore (now that everyone knows who it is lol). Someone send Dr. D a bottle. I know he will step up. HE FEARS NO MORTAL!
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    Alipine,

    what were your gains on your epi cycle?
    How would you compare it to your PP cycle or any other you have done?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KTL View Post
    Alipine,

    what were your gains on your epi cycle?
    How would you compare it to your PP cycle or any other you have done?
    I talked about it quite a bit a few pages back in this same thread. Check it out, No need to rehash. It went every well, its better than PP. It's my favorite for the purpose of all out gains right now. Oxyguno looks nice for a Var substitute though (possibly). Time will tell...
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    Got my bottle of oxyguno today and will start running it Saturday.

    I was going to change up my routine but I have had little time to research any other methods, so I will just stick to the EDT workout I have been doing. Only thing I am on now is AP and Poseidon, which by the way are great products.

    I will do a log if there is any interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bkprice View Post
    Got my bottle of oxyguno today and will start running it Saturday.

    I was going to change up my routine but I have had little time to research any other methods, so I will just stick to the EDT workout I have been doing. Only thing I am on now is AP and Poseidon, which by the way are great products.

    I will do a log if there is any interest.
    definitely n interest!!! put one up for sure!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    ... Someone send Dr. D a bottle. ...
    I ordered one today. We are about to find out what this stuff is made of!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sublimejeh View Post
    definitely n interest!!! put one up for sure!
    seconded!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    I ordered one today. We are about to find out what this stuff is made of!
    D, you are my hero...
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    Quote Originally Posted by testosteronet View Post
    D, you gonna test it or try it?
    First I test it! Then if it's good, I try it. If it's bad, I get mad because I won't get to try it! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    Superdrol is less androgenic than PP. But I still wouldn't even consider it "low" on the androgenic scale. If it was, we wouldn't see the explosive gains that we do.
    i dont think the data supports your hypothesis.

    1) anadrol isnt very androgenic at all, but provides more explosive gains (strength included, lord knows) than almost any other steroid.
    2) superdrol imparts little, if any, androgenic sides for most users. acne, itchy scalp, aggression, CNS stim, vascularity, fat loss...all virtually nonexistant with superdrol.
    3) gains dont just come from androgenicity...anyone who's used deca can attest to that (although it and anadrol both bind to other receptors)...or anyone who's used test with a 5AR inhibitor...or anyone who's used tbol...you can still make impressive gains with pure (or nearly pure) anabolics. shoot, look at LR3 IGF-1: fast, solid gains and no androgenicity (of course)

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    You can see where Oxyguno starts to look appealing when compared to Anavar.... very appealing. That is, if its 100% whats its "supposed" to be. Black market Anavar is insanely overpriced.
    as opposed to super market anavar? :P a person so inclined can get var for like $8/g. it's just that var isnt that good IMO (dont tell riskarb!), and wrecks HDL and elevates liver enzymes as bad as anything else...

    one reason i am excited about oxyguno is that it isnt 5A-reduced. seems like EVERY damn 17aa steroid (legal or otherwise) is 5A-reduced these days, which, and this is mostly a theory, increases the odds that it will bind to scalp, skin and prostate ARs. (i have some arguments to support that, if anyone cares)

    tbol has treated me so well WRT MPB, and is one of the few non-5A-reduced 17aa's...that it has a much stronger, even less androgenic test-based brother (that's legal, no less) makes me a have a little party in my mind...
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    There isnt many logs here of Mass Tabs, I have a log on another message board...I am 2 weeks in and I am now at 2 tabs per day. Results so far have been pretty impressive. I am happy with the results and its getting better by the day, there have been some bad sides but nothing that I consider too much. Check out the supplement forum over at steroid dot com to read more.

    I see ALOT of guys bashing IDS but I have been more than happy with the Mass Tabs so far and the price that it costs is lower than almost anything out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuck89gt5.0 View Post
    There isnt many logs here of Mass Tabs, I have a log on another message board...I am 2 weeks in and I am now at 2 tabs per day. Results so far have been pretty impressive. I am happy with the results and its getting better by the day, there have been some bad sides but nothing that I consider too much. Check out the supplement forum over at steroid dot com to read more.

    I see ALOT of guys bashing IDS but I have been more than happy with the Mass Tabs so far and the price that it costs is lower than almost anything out there.
    I thought this thread was about Oxyguno?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    Epistane is still pretty damn androgenic. I didn't get acne or anything but my hair thinned as much or more than with PP. I definately wouldn't consider it "low" on the androgenic scale. What makes it unique is how high its anabolic profile is. All things considered, it still has extremely low overall sides.

    Epistane is like 93% / ~1100% (93% depending on who you ask, I've also heard its more like 97%)
    (93% as androgenic and 1100% as anabolic as MethylTest.)
    Oxyguno: 6% / 700%
    Dbol: 50% / 150%
    Anadrol: 45% / 330%
    Anavar: 25% / 500%

    I dont know where people get that epistane is "not very androgenic." It's still quite potent. Superdrol is less androgenic than PP. But I still wouldn't even consider it "low" on the androgenic scale. If it was, we wouldn't see the explosive gains that we do.

    You can see where Oxyguno starts to look appealing when compared to Anavar.... very appealing. That is, if its 100% whats its "supposed" to be. Black market Anavar is insanely overpriced. Nobody wants to publicly post analysis anymore (now that everyone knows who it is lol). Someone send Dr. D a bottle. I know he will step up. HE FEARS NO MORTAL!

    Sh1t!!! There goes my dreams of a porn star libido, no hair loss feel fanfrekkintastic Epi cycle! I'd rather keep my hair... Thanks for crushing my dreams Alpine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmh80 View Post
    I thought this thread was about Oxyguno?


    Yeah it is but go back and read through the pages, IDS and Mass Tabs got brought up ALOT, so I thought I would shed a little light on the subject of NEW prohormones/steroids....
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuck89gt5.0 View Post
    Yeah it is but go back and read through the pages, IDS and Mass Tabs got brought up ALOT, so I thought I would shed a little light on the subject of NEW prohormones/steroids....
    The IDS products aren't "NEW prohormones/steroids..." they're re-packaged combinations of other products like superdrol and pheraplex.

    I'm not doubting their efficacy, but I do question the safety/ethics of combining mixtures of next-gen steroids, adding in some herbs, obfuscating the true chemical names and selling them to people who don't understand what they are taking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by same_old View Post
    i dont think the data supports your hypothesis.

    1) anadrol isnt very androgenic at all, but provides more explosive gains (strength included, lord knows) than almost any other steroid.
    2) superdrol imparts little, if any, androgenic sides for most users. acne, itchy scalp, aggression, CNS stim, vascularity, fat loss...all virtually nonexistant with superdrol.
    3) gains dont just come from androgenicity...anyone who's used deca can attest to that (although it and anadrol both bind to other receptors)...or anyone who's used test with a 5AR inhibitor...or anyone who's used tbol...you can still make impressive gains with pure (or nearly pure) anabolics. shoot, look at LR3 IGF-1: fast, solid gains and no androgenicity (of course)
    It's all relative by comparison, but you are correct in pretty much everything you said. Compared to most choices superdrol is pretty low on the androgenic side. All I was trying to say is that Epi should not be compared with Var or something else in terms of "low androgen profile". It's still fairly androgenic. It is commonly associated with pretty noticeable shedding in prone individuals.

    I keep seeing people refer to it like its almost not androgenic or something. It's not really a "low androgenic" choice imo. That would be var or a few other choices. It's still one of (if not the best) choices right now for designers. Very good compromise of sides/results. As for things such as a-bombs and superdrol being "explosive" but lower on the androgenic side, true. But for the most part, when a compound dips very low on the androgenic side (like var for example) its known to be much milder in overall gains. Drol and superdrol are sort of similar and belong in a very unique "class" so to speak. Not many would recommend a cycle of Deca alone w/out something androgenic, although you can still gain well. I think you just sort of overcomplicated what I saw trying to tell the guy who referred to epi as "not very androgenic."

    as opposed to super market anavar? :P a person so inclined can get var for like $8/g. it's just that var isnt that good IMO (dont tell riskarb!), and wrecks HDL and elevates liver enzymes as bad as anything else...
    lol, again this is accurate but cmon.... how many of the avg joes here are ordering kilos of var powder from china? Lets keep it real here. For the avg guy who only has access to euro or UG var tabs on the black market, it is a very pricey oral at effective doses. You seem to want to refute just for the sake of refuting. You're over analyzing. The point is, this has the "potential" to be the poor man's OTC var - thats all I was saying.

    one reason i am excited about oxyguno is that it isnt 5A-reduced. seems like EVERY damn 17aa steroid (legal or otherwise) is 5A-reduced these days, which, and this is mostly a theory, increases the odds that it will bind to scalp, skin and prostate ARs. (i have some arguments to support that, if anyone cares)

    tbol has treated me so well WRT MPB, and is one of the few non-5A-reduced 17aa's...that it has a much stronger, even less androgenic test-based brother (that's legal, no less) makes me a have a little party in my mind...
    Very interesting point. I agree too, it is very exciting. I would love to hear some more on that theory. I haven't seen it discussed much elsewhere. It seems to make sense though. Please elaborate...

    Quote Originally Posted by swoody View Post
    Sh1t!!! There goes my dreams of a porn star libido, no hair loss feel fanfrekkintastic Epi cycle! I'd rather keep my hair... Thanks for crushing my dreams Alpine!
    Dont get me wrong, Im a huge fan of Havoc. The sides/results ratio is one of the best. In fact, its likely the best. Oxy will be unique but its not much of a gainer. I just think its inaccurate to promote the idea that Epi is "not very androgenic." It does have low androgenic sides but it is also fairly androgenic. I had no sides but it did effect my hair line quite a bit. That was about it. It didnt lower my libido much but it definately didn't boost it either. It's more like superdrol in this area I think. Something like Test or Dbol makes a noticeable difference in euphoria and raw libido. As with pretty much everything related to A.A.S, you cant have your cake and eat it too. You gotta pay to play sucka! How about a killer physique, porn star libido, and a nice shiny, bald head...lol Dont blame me, blame the genetic lottery!
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    The IDS products aren't "NEW prohormones/steroids..." they're re-packaged combinations of other products like superdrol and pheraplex.

    I'm not doubting their efficacy, but I do question the safety/ethics of combining mixtures of next-gen steroids, adding in some herbs, obfuscating the true chemical names and selling them to people who don't understand what they are taking.


    Mass Tabs are new....name me one other company that makes the same compound? Sure its very close to SD and m1t but its still different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuck89gt5.0 View Post
    Mass Tabs are new....name me one other company that makes the same compound? Sure its very close to superdrol and m1t but its still different.
    Point taken. I guess it comes down to your definition of "new." Here, they've slightly altered superdrol. At the dosing it appears to be weaker than superdrol and nothing close to M1T.

    Like I said, I'm not doubting the efficacy of the product. However, I do have serious reservations about the business practice of combining next-gen steroids in proprietary mixes, obfuscating the true ingredients with nonsense trade names, adding in a bunch of herbs and marketing it to people who don't understand what they are taking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuck89gt5.0 View Post
    Mass Tabs are new....name me one other company that makes the same compound? Sure its very close to superdrol and m1t but its still different.
    It looks like a dirty version of SD for certain. Not quite as anabolic and much more androgenic. It just ruins the finer points of SD, but it's probably perfect if you liked SD but wished it was more androgenic. I still say SD had the cleanest A/A ratio ever. Better than stanazol or oxandrolone. At least in skin and prostate in my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bkprice View Post
    Got my bottle of oxyguno today and will start running it Saturday.

    I was going to change up my routine but I have had little time to research any other methods, so I will just stick to the EDT workout I have been doing. Only thing I am on now is AP and Poseidon, which by the way are great products.

    I will do a log if there is any interest.
    I'd be very interested in a log! We are always looking for good, honest feedback on Poseidon and I'm sure USP Labs feels the same about AP.

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    i would love to see an oxyguno log
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    Poseidon has been awesome. It has so many benefits that its going to be one of my everyday supps from now on.

    Just started Oxy today, but I will be doing daily updates starting Monday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bkprice View Post
    Poseidon has been awesome. It has so many benefits that its going to be one of my everyday supps from now on.

    Just started Oxy today, but I will be doing daily updates starting Monday.
    Great to hear! Thanks for the feedback bkprice

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    anyone find a website for SFR, yet? PM me if you have.
    BK, is there a website listed on the box?
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    Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    anyone find a website for SFR, yet? PM me if you have.
    BK, is there a website listed on the box?
    No website but the URL has been registered out of England (been doing some snooping). Could someone please post whatever contact info is on the box? I've become curious at figuring out who SFR is a front for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bkprice View Post
    Poseidon has been awesome. It has so many benefits that its going to be one of my everyday supps from now on.

    Just started Oxy today, but I will be doing daily updates starting Monday.
    My oxy didn't come with a Box, but the bottle looks the same, could you confirm the tablets you have are little blue ones? I want to make sure I didn't get f'd.
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    I am currently taking oxyguno @ 5 pills a day,,i started last tuesday,,nothing much to note,,strength has been high during workouts but nothing more..

    tried 7 days worth of hemaguno as well,,yellow pills smell like pepermint,,,skin was a little greasy,,strenght was a little higher than normal,,but no real signs of anabolism

    spent about $110 on both...I dont know what is up with the PH's these days,,,not doing much of anything for me..mass fx made me horny though
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    lanky did you discontinue after 7 days? is that a fair assessment of the product?

    also, hemoguno appears underdosed........Marketing maybe? Get you to buy more to get the same effects?
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    Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    lanky did you discontinue after 7 days? is that a fair assessment of the product?

    also, hemoguno appears underdosed........Marketing maybe? Get you to buy more to get the same effects?
    hmmm...7 days might not have been a fair assessment,,i was so excited that my bottle of oxyguno came a week later that i just had to try it in the name of science..i was dosing the hemaguno at 50-62mg a day (almost tripple of what bottle reccomends)..I had to try and troubleshoot on what the problem was with this product,,,was it a problem with absorbtion? tried dosing before meals,,with meals, after meals,,empty stomach,,chewing the pills...

    underdosed possibly.

    maybe does not contain anything or messed up on the synth

    maybe absorbtion problem.

    something is fishy about the PH industry these days.

    btw i did try the mass fx for about two weeks,,,i have to admit my libido was up,,up 2lbs as well...i smelled funny though.

    i am going to bump up the oxyguno to 6 pills a day
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    keep us posted!

    i am very interested in your findings (especially with your background)
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